Mr X Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Cedric stay a good player in there despite inconsistencies Yoshida stay bench Clasie go Stephens stay bench Hoedt debatable Long go, too inconsistent not a goal scorer Davis debatable Carrilo go, not right fit for us full stop Austin go, too slow too injured, past his best. Tadic stay seems to be performing better under Hughes. McCarthy stay definitely Romeu stay despite poor season Ward prowse stay bench Lemina stay a good player in there Boufal go this years Gaston Gabbiadini would like to stay will go Bertrand go good player but heart not in it Redmond stay Hughes can improve him Hojberg stay still young will improve Gardos go Pied go Gallagher stay still young Target debatable Bednarek stay bench McQueen stay bench Sims stay a good player in there Forster debatable Summary none of our strikers are good enough, defensive reinforcements needed, Midfield ok Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Agree with all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBitterne Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 should the player stay- yes or no? Cedric -yes Yoshida- yes Clasie -no Stephens -maybe Hoedt -yes Long -no Davis - no Carrilo -no Austin -maybe Tadic -yes McCarthy-yes Romeu -yes Ward prowse -yes Lemina -yes Boufal - no Gabbiadini -yes Bertrand- yes Redmond -yes Hojberg -yes Gardos - Does this even need a response? Pied-no Gallagher -no Target -one of targett or mcqueen should go Bednarek - yes McQueen-one of targett or mcqueen should go Sims -yes Forster -no Interesting that reed is not on their at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 I'd keep Long, but I really think he plays better out on the wing. He isn't a goalscorer, but defences hate playing against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harriesss Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Cedric - Stay but will probably go Yoshida - Stay but will probably go Clasie - Go Stephens - Stay Hoedt - Stay as a project Long - go Davis - go Carrillo - go if anyone will take him Austin - go Tadic - Stay but will probably go McCarthy - Stay Romeu - Stay Ward-Prowse - Stay Lemina - Stay but might go Boufal - go sadly Gabbiadini - Stay but will probably go Bertrand - Stay but will probably go Redmond - Stay Hojbjerg - Stay Gardos - go Pied - go Gallagher - go Taylor - go Wood - go Jones - Stay but may go Targett - go if Fulham promoted Flannigan - go Bednarek - Stay McQueen - Stay Sims - Stay Hesketh - Stay but probably needs a loan Valery - Stay Forster - go Reed - go Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Whoever goes, we need to do our buying before selling. Let's not sell good-enough players and fail to replace them, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Whoever goes, we need to do our buying before selling. Let's not sell good-enough players and fail to replace them, again. The club would never do that, it would be a recipe for disaster.Do you think we have Muppets running this outfit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Whoever goes, we need to do our buying before selling. Let's not sell good-enough players and fail to replace them, again. What if you then aren't able to sell the players for whatever reason and you are lumbered with an inflated squad? Also cash flow problems can arise from doing it that way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 What if you then aren't able to sell the players for whatever reason and you are lumbered with an inflated squad? Also cash flow problems can arise from doing it that way round. What the club needs to do is purchase the 2-3 main signings quickly. I hope Promes is one, Gibson being linked is good (if not spectacular but CB is the hardest position to find I think), and a frontline striker. Then it should be a case of selling and refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 What if you then aren't able to sell the players for whatever reason and you are lumbered with an inflated squad? Also cash flow problems can arise from doing it that way round. What if you're unable to buy the player you want, after selling the current player? VVD, Fonte, Pelle, Mane... it has happened before. I'd argue this has been proven a bigger risk than the other way around. As for cash-flow, if we're unable to fund and structure player purchases in such a way that avoids that risk (even if the subsequent player sale is delayed or at a reduced rate), we're in bigger trouble than worrying about who we should buy. Plus, the purchase and sale can run in parallel, it's just the order of completion that I'm talking about, e.g. don't confirm a sale until you've already bought the replacement. If we had done this with Fonte alone, we probably wouldn't have dropped so many points last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Surprised so many think Gallagher should go. I'd like to see him given a proper chance. Looking at the lessons we've learned from transfers, he's no less likely to get goals than foreign imports who seem more glamorous. Let's see what we have before we take a punt on someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 McCarthy : stay Forster: sell or loan away Cedric: would keep but expect will go & won’t be weeping about it. Pied: release Bertrand: would keep but expect he’ll go. Targett: keep if Bertrand goes McQueen ???? Yoshida: sell Stephens stay Hoedt stay Bednarek stay Romeu stay Lemina stay Hojberg stay Jwp stay Davis expect he’ll leave & go back to rangers. Redmond stay Tadic stay but may want to leave Boufal leave Sims stay Austin stay Gabbi stay but expect he’ll want to leave Long leave (Like him but need replacing with someone younger who can score) Carrillo ( leave, leave pls leave) Gallagher stay Hesketh stay & pls give him a game That leaves back up goalkeeper, 1 or 2 right backs, 1 center back, perhaps 1 left back, an attacking midfielder possibly 2 & a striker needed via the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Cedric - Stay if he wants to Yoshida - Stay Clasie - Go Stephens - Stay Hoedt - Stay Long - Go Davis - Stay as squad player, send Hesketh on loan and replace next year. Midfield is strong enough as it is and don't think we should be buying squad players to make up the numbers Carrillo - Stay. Came in under dismal circumstances and not had much of a chance. Let him go if we get close to our money back but that is not happening is it? And I'm getting rid of all our other strikers so someone has to stay Austin - Go. Show, unreliable fitness, shouldn't be hard to find a buyer Tadic - Stay McCarthy - New contract Romeu - Stay Ward-Prowse - Stay Lemina - Stay Boufal - Go Gabbiadini - Want him to stay but probably going back home Bertrand - Stay if he wants to Redmond - Stay Hojbjerg - Stay Gardos - Go Pied - Go Gallagher - Go Taylor - Go Wood - Go Jones - Go Targett - Go Flannigan - Go Bednarek - Stay McQueen - Stay Sims - Stay Forster - Go if someone is generous enough to take him off our hands otherwise stay as backup Reed - Go I'd keep Long, but I really think he plays better out on the wing. He isn't a goalscorer, but defences hate playing against him. Myth. If I was a defender I would love playing against someone who offers practically no threat whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Well there will be talent on the pitch tomorrow if Reed/Wilson are about..trouble is at 59 my pace is going so Promes is ok. Looking forward to gracing the hallowed turf. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 18 May, 2018 Share Posted 18 May, 2018 Clear out Yoshida Forster Taylor Pied Targett Reed Clasie Davis Boufal Carrillo Long Keep the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 Clear out Yoshida Forster Taylor Pied Targett Reed Clasie Davis Boufal Carrillo Long Keep the rest Pretty much this, but if Cedric is off then I would keep Pied as a back up. I can't see many takers for Carrillo, but perhaps Hughes can get him integrated into the squad as a Crouch option, as he has the whole summer to get people to practice crossing the ball to his head, something that wew only managed once, away at Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 Is it normal for teams to release, renew, get rid of 15 first team squad players at the end of a season? Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 Surprised so many think Gallagher should go. I'd like to see him given a proper chance. Looking at the lessons we've learned from transfers, he's no less likely to get goals than foreign imports who seem more glamorous. Let's see what we have before we take a punt on someone else. We are in a position whereby we need a strong Centre Back, mobile Holding Midfield general, goal scoring Striker as a minimum. We do not want to take unnecessary risks by not buying and then our younger players are seen to be incapable of reaching the required standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 We are in a position whereby we need a strong Centre Back, mobile Holding Midfield general, goal scoring Striker as a minimum. We do not want to take unnecessary risks by not buying and then our younger players are seen to be incapable of reaching the required standard. Don’t agree that both are mutually exclusive. We should be shifting on at least 2 of the existing attackers(Carrillo, long etc) to make way for one big buy & Gallagher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 Surprised so many think Gallagher should go. I'd like to see him given a proper chance. Looking at the lessons we've learned from transfers, he's no less likely to get goals than foreign imports who seem more glamorous. Let's see what we have before we take a punt on someone else. This. You only have to look at Harry Kane in north London to see what can happen when you give a youngster a chance and it just clicks and he has grabbed it with both hands. It is also not like there was anything in Kane's prior loans to suggest he would be the player he is now. You only know when you give these lads a proper chance and if Gallagher has a 1\2 of the ability of Kane then he will be a far better player than Austin and Carillo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 We need a good squad of experienced players to help our youngsters come through. Not just pitch them into the team and do a 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 We are in a position whereby we need a strong Centre Back, mobile Holding Midfield general, goal scoring Striker as a minimum. We do not want to take unnecessary risks by not buying and then our younger players are seen to be incapable of reaching the required standard. Buying in a goal scoring striker has so far got us Austin, who doesn't get enough goals, Carillo, who doesn't get enough goals, Gabbiadini, who doesn't get enough goals and Long, who doesn't get enough goals. It's true that Gallagher might also not get enough goals, but let's take a look first. It's not as if buying in a striker has been a guaranteed more effective option so far. It's hit and miss (no pun intended), including for Gallagher. I'd like to see him and Gabbiadini together. Doesn't mean that we can't buy in a new striker, but let's not decide in advance that the new striker is a definite improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefScummer Posted 19 May, 2018 Share Posted 19 May, 2018 Les and Ralph. I would pay for the taxi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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