shurlock Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 It was only 6 months ago that we sold Virgil Van Dijk for a record fee for a defender. And according to many Saints fans, we were going to get significant fees for Bertrand, Lemina or Cedric this summer. Let’s not be revisionist here; we have a very similar track record to Leicester in the transfer market; in recent times we’ve both had failures such as Musa, Boufal, Slimani, and Carrillo, and there have been successes for both such as Kante, Wanyama, Drinkwater, Mane, Mahrez, Van Dijk and Maguire. And let’s not even delve into West Ham’s track record. They’ve spent an awful lot on unsuccessful incomings and haven’t sold much at a profit. And the same applies for most of the remaining bottom 14. I find it interesting that people are criticising the club for its poor record in the transfer market by making a comparison to Leicester. Ask any independent observer which Bottom 14 clubs have made the best use of the transfer market over the last 5 years and I reckon most would say Saints and Leicester. Let’s be clear: we signed VVD in 2015 -Maguire and Ndidi were signed in 2017. If this model is to be sustainable, we can’t rest on former glories (ditto with Bertrand and Cedric who, at any rate, are unlikely to command much of a premium relative to their replacement cost). The fact is that we’ve now singularly whiffed in the transfer market for 2-3 years. At the very least, we can’t have resources locked up in players who, right now, have no prospect of returning the fee we paid for them. With little talent coming through the Academy, where is the money going to come from to strengthen some pretty glaring holes in the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 It was only 6 months ago that we sold Virgil Van Dijk for a record fee for a defender. And according to many Saints fans, we were going to get significant fees for Bertrand, Lemina or Cedric this summer. Let’s not be revisionist here; we have a very similar track record to Leicester in the transfer market; in recent times we’ve both had failures such as Musa, Boufal, Slimani, and Carrillo, and there have been successes for both such as Kante, Wanyama, Drinkwater, Mane, Mahrez, Van Dijk and Maguire. And let’s not even delve into West Ham’s track record. They’ve spent an awful lot on unsuccessful incomings and haven’t sold much at a profit. And the same applies for most of the remaining bottom 14. I find it interesting that people are criticising the club for its poor record in the transfer market by making a comparison to Leicester. Ask any independent observer which Bottom 14 clubs have made the best use of the transfer market over the last 5 years and I reckon most would say Saints and Leicester. Charge levelled at Tottenham, they largely wasted the Bale money. Eriksson yes obviously. Lamela maybe. Who else is left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 The Spurs squad is worth about 1 billion and Leicester won the league 2 seasons back. Bizarre to use them to defend against our transfer fails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 It does seem to me that recruitment took a bit of a down turn when Paul Mitchell left?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 If we stay up this year and then have to sell to buy next summer then we won't be spending much at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 If we stay up this year and then have to sell to buy next summer then we won't be spending much at all... Unless we sell a few more hot dogs and burgers this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 The Spurs squad is worth about 1 billion and Leicester won the league 2 seasons back. Bizarre to use them to defend against our transfer fails If I recall correctly, even Levy agreed they'd wasted the Bale money. It was part of the reason they brought in Pochetino to develop and promote from within, and Mithcell to find better value targets. They have been successful at that, but they certainly wasted the opportunity immediately post-Bale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 If I recall correctly, even Levy agreed they'd wasted the Bale money. It was part of the reason they brought in Pochetino to develop and promote from within, and Mithcell to find better value targets. They have been successful at that, but they certainly wasted the opportunity immediately post-Bale. Very true and we’ve stopped playing the youngster again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Very true and we’ve stopped playing the youngster again. Everytime anyone suggests playing a youngster on here its normally met with a barrage of posts saying they aren't good enough. Personally I'd like to see Gallagher and Sims get a chance but it doesn't look likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 SO no rumours then really...going to be a long season if we don't bring anyone else in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 SO no rumours then really...going to be a long season if we don't bring anyone else in... Only way I think something will happen is if a club offers us silly money for either Lemina or Cedric. Obviously depends on us getting a replacement in quickly. Still think Reed will go out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Everytime anyone suggests playing a youngster on here its normally met with a barrage of posts saying they aren't good enough. Personally I'd like to see Gallagher and Sims get a chance but it doesn't look likely. Agreed and agreed. This place is becoming really unbarable in the last week or so. I am glad the season is almost here and doubly glad there was a world cup to distract people for most of the summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Too many just love signings, the more expensive the better. They'll write them off quickly and demand more signings but it won't change. Personally I hate the transfer market now, it's a joke. If Shipperley, Watson, Dowie etc were playing today they'd be £20m strikers who guarantee you that magic 6 or 7 goals a season and can hold the ball up. The not good enough thing for youngsters is ridiculous. They need chances to show it, and to improve. You have a few average games from a youngster, they learn from it. If the potential is there, it'll help them. You have average games from Long, Davis, Austin etc, you get nothing. It's not about them coming in and being Premier league stars. It's about them doing as useful a job as Long, Redmond, Davis and so on. Sims has shown he can do that, the bar is fcking low. Why go and spend more and risk more Boufals, Ramirezs etc? If Sims has a good month or two in this league, you've got a £20m player rather than having spent it. Gallagher is the most crazy one. Decent young striker, big guy, a few goals and he'd be worth a fortune. We can't afford to let him go. Yet we spend a year playing Long and signing Carillo. One goal between them, £20m in fees gone, huge wages gone. Utterly crazy way to run a club. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Everytime anyone suggests playing a youngster on here its normally met with a barrage of posts saying they aren't good enough. Personally I'd like to see Gallagher and Sims get a chance but it doesn't look likely. I was surprised Valery wasn't asked to come on over for the recent friendlies rather than play left footed right backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Noticed that Sims didn't get a run out this week. I really rated him from the glimpses we saw. Is it fair to say that Hughes doesn't then?? What is the point of him now sitting on the bench for another year. Waste of a good talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Might as well just get Vydra in for 11m he only wants 40-45k per week too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Noticed that Sims didn't get a run out this week. I really rated him from the glimpses we saw. Is it fair to say that Hughes doesn't then?? What is the point of him now sitting on the bench for another year. Waste of a good talent Every time I've seen him play I've been impressed. Can't understand why he wasn't given more match time last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Every time I've seen him play I've been impressed. Can't understand why he wasn't given more match time last season. play him where though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Noticed that Sims didn't get a run out this week. I really rated him from the glimpses we saw. Is it fair to say that Hughes doesn't then?? What is the point of him now sitting on the bench for another year. Waste of a good talent Wonder if it is a tactic by Hughes to get the club spending money. He wants a new attacking player, the club tell him to use Sims instead, so he stops using him to make it clear that he doesn't think he is good enough. Meanwhile, he lets it be known to the fans that we are unlikely to make new signings, so the fans start to whinge and put pressure on the club to spend a bit of cash... Will the club blink first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Still the No 9 shirt up for grabs??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2018 https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-listening-to-offers-for-danny-welbeck-with-premier-league-trio-interested-a3904726.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1533556855 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 I would take Wellbeck all day long. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-listening-to-offers-for-danny-welbeck-with-premier-league-trio-interested-a3904726.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1533556855Pure speculation. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Pure speculation. I've posted it in the right place then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 I've posted it in the right place then! :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Welbeck/Perez/Slimani/Origi on loan would be acceptable at this late stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Pfffft is go with Ziyech, Promes, Bas Dost and Juilien at the back show some fking ambition lads.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Apparently we where prepared to 18 million for RB Malcuit... http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/08/06/do-report-southampton-were-willing-to-pay-18m-for-napoli-bound-k/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Apparently we where prepared to 18 million for RB Malcuit... http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/08/06/do-report-southampton-were-willing-to-pay-18m-for-napoli-bound-k/ all lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Interested to see how things play out this week for a bunch of talented youngsters who CDAJFU but are likely to be frozen out this season at their bigger clubs: Loftus-Cheek, Tammy Abraham, Kurt Zouma, Patrick Roberts. It'd be nice to think we're at least "monitoring" these things... Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2018 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-eyeing-barcelona-striker-paco-13041860 #ChinnyReckon Although Sparky loves a diminutive Barca forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Interested to see how things play out this week for a bunch of talented youngsters who CDAJFU but are likely to be frozen out this season at their bigger clubs: Loftus-Cheek, Tammy Abraham, Kurt Zouma, Patrick Roberts. It'd be nice to think we're at least "monitoring" these things... Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk I take it loans (at least among PL clubs) have to be sorted by the transfer deadline day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-eyeing-barcelona-striker-paco-13041860 #ChinnyReckon Although Sparky loves a diminutive Barca forward. Would rather him than Welbeck, but I’d be surprised if we did a deal at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 all lies Signing for Napoli isn't he? Sure I saw DiMarzio tweeting about that today, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Would rather him than Welbeck, but I’d be surprised if we did a deal at this stage. Not a huge Welbeck fan (who is?) but think given where we are he'd be pretty decent for us. Every time I saw Paco this year for barca this year I never thought he looked great, but was interested as we'd been linked before and came away every time thinking he'd have gone down the Juanmi road with us despite definitely being a better player. He's hardly going to have people teeing him up here like he gets from Messi, coutinho etc. And it wouldn't happen anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 Wellbeck or Shane Long, I know which one I’d take every day of the ****knh week. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 I would take Wellbeck all day long. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I doubt we are going to stump up £115,000 a week wages....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 I doubt we are going to stump up £115,000 a week wages....... Agree it’s very doubtful but if we said it’s just 40k a week if you sell Forster then it’s doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 6 August, 2018 Share Posted 6 August, 2018 I doubt we are going to stump up £115,000 a week wages....... Not that I want Wellbeck, but it makes me laugh when I see things like this, expecting us to pay all his wages, yet the forum experts on here seem to think we are paying the majority of Carrillo, Boufel, and soon to be, Forster’s wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 I doubt we are going to stump up £115,000 a week wages....... why? we may as well go down then as wages like this mean decent players as opposed to brilliant players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans gruber Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Would it be doable to get Hudson Odoi from Chelsea for a year loan? The kid is going to be superb, he is only 17 though and whilst I think he will see game time at Chelsea this season I reckon he would get 20-25 matches at Saints, even at 17. Are you able to even loan out a 17 year old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Would it be doable to get Hudson Odoi from Chelsea for a year loan? The kid is going to be superb, he is only 17 though and whilst I think he will see game time at Chelsea this season I reckon he would get 20-25 matches at Saints, even at 17. Are you able to even loan out a 17 year old? that would be amazing but he seems to be starting games pre-season and doing well, maybe too well to loan out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 7 August, 2018 that would be amazing but he seems to be starting games pre-season and doing well, maybe too well to loan out Sarri has done something rather remarkable for Chelsea and said that Odoi is going to be a part of the 1st team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Sarri has done something rather remarkable for Chelsea and said that Odoi is going to be a part of the 1st team squad. It’s nice to have a manager that coaches players to another level. Gone are the Koeman and Pottychino days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Sarri has done something rather remarkable for Chelsea and said that Odoi is going to be a part of the 1st team squad. Let's hope he reads the Express! https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/999198/Callum-Hudson-Odoi-Chelsea-Eden-Hazard-Community-Shield Maybe we can tell Chelsea that to facilitate Hudson-Odoi's development, we can take Hazard on loan instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 This week is dragging so much. No real rumours to discuss and still ages until Sunday. If anyone else is as bored as me this is a fun little quiz, trying to name the most played players each season of this century. Really highlights the state of the team we had in the Championship... https://www.sporcle.com/games/BelgianGuy/top-xis-southampton-fc I got 81% if you insist on asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 This week is dragging so much. No real rumours to discuss and still ages until Sunday. If anyone else is as bored as me this is a fun little quiz, trying to name the most played players each season of this century. Really highlights the state of the team we had in the Championship... https://www.sporcle.com/games/BelgianGuy/top-xis-southampton-fc I got 81% if you insist on asking. That was something to kill some time! Got 84%... It's kinda depressing, as it shows how good we were 3 years ago....and how bog average we are now. But yeah, doesn't compare to our Championship wilderness years. James, Gillet...crikey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Yet again, people against playing Sims, Gallagher, Ward Prowse, Slattery etc. People in favour of massive signings, despite - Boufal, Ramirez, Osvaldo, Carrillo...could even add Hoedt and Gabbiadini to that list in some ways. We've spent fortunes on record strikers the last 2 january windows. Let's not keep throwing money at a problem when it's clearly not that answer. We haven't had a decent manager to form a coherent team, improve players and get them attacking since Koeman. That's the biggest problem. I'm tired of seeing players get worse or stand still.This. Judging success on the basis of net spend and thinking football is about star players rather than teams, team spirit and coaching the best out of players is becoming the norm. All encouraged by prima donna players and their agents, and of course the media. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 This. Judging success on the basis of net spend and thinking football is about star players rather than teams, team spirit and coaching the best out of players is becoming the norm. All encouraged by prima donna players and their agents, and of course the media. Sent from my Pixel using TapatalkHow about coaching, team spirit and also getting in one or two stars like mane or alderweireld. It's not an either or thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 How about coaching, team spirit and also getting in one or two stars like mane or alderweireld. It's not an either or thing.Those two wouldn't come, we couldn't afford the transfer fees and the unjustified wages they'd demand would blow our business model apart. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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