Pamplemousse Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 The thought of Hoedt and Stephens trying to contain Sterling, Aguero, Mané..... that's why we need to win this game.
Pilchards Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 Unless we get really tonked by Man City, in which case it's possible a win against Swansea might not be enough. We beat Swansea by more than one goal means it’s 8 clear for us. If City beat us by 6 then Swansea need to beat Stoke by 3 clear goals to overtake us. Nah I dont think so.
badgerx16 Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 The thought of Hoedt and Stephens trying to contain Sterling, Aguero, Mané..... that's why we need to win this game. The transfer window is closed until the end of the season.
nta786 Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 (edited) Trying to work this out. It did not matter whether we won at Everton tonight (Forget Huddersfield in this) The point means that if we win at Swansea then we are safe, full stop!! If we had got all 3 points tonight and a draw vs Swansea means they can overtake us if they beat Stoke. Our point tonight has put us in pole position right? What if we beat Everton and Swansea!!! Then we would have been safe! Alas it was not to be, hopefully heads have not dropped. It would be pole position but unfortunately the fact we play Man City compared to Swansea playing already relegated Stoke at home tips the scales in their favour. We are also reliant on Huddersfield to not get anymore points- which albeit very unlikely cannot be ruled out- to be level on points with them would have been psychologically massive- they would have had to go for it for the rest of their games- as it stands they might be able to park the bus and get a draw potentially. It’s always better to have the points than to chase the points. However, it’s in our hands. I don’t see the goal difference being swung- so officially must win for us vs Swansea- not quite so much for them (key assumption being they will beat Stoke and we will lose to MC!) Edited 5 May, 2018 by nta786
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 The thought of Hoedt and Stephens trying to contain Sterling, Aguero, Mané..... that's why we need to win this game. Yoshida only misses one game for two yellows so he should be available for this one.
ErwinK1961 Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 I've got the best solution for both teams... We beat Swansea - move to 36 points (after losing to City on last day) Swansea then beat Stoke on last day - move to 36 points Huddersfield lose to City and Chelsea, then only get a draw with Arsenal last day - move to 36 points, but with a largely inferior goal difference and go down So Carlos, if you're reading this... make it happen
stknowle Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 Right. Forget the devastation of today and let's just pretend we got a streaky undeserved point. This now comes down to a 1 season game. Just go and win this - which we should if we play like we did today and last week, and in the first half against Chelsea. Our form is decent, we can do this.
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 I've got the best solution for both teams... We beat Swansea - move to 36 points (after losing to City on last day) Swansea then beat Stoke on last day - move to 36 points Huddersfield lose to City and Chelsea, then only get a draw with Arsenal last day - move to 36 points, but with a largely inferior goal difference and go down So Carlos, if you're reading this... make it happen Works for me
stknowle Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 Can’t see it. Blew it against Everton. They will be a lot better than Everton were and Stephens will be in the middle of a back 3 It’s over, you have to win when you have seconds left and leading in a game Jesus Christ you are so relentless in your negativity. We can still do this FFS.
Dazza82 Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 This one for me for this game. 3 changes OUT: IN: Yoshida. Stephend Lemina. Redmond Austin. Long Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
teamsaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. We'll go there in good form,probably our best form of the season, and away from home we aren't too shabby. We'd have take tonight's position like a shot at 2.59 last Saturday. Side more or less picks itself, I'd probably start Long, but Charlie is a good alternative.
JRM Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 A win would keep us up but going to be a massive challenge, not sure we’ve got it in us after such a gutting ending to today’s game. I think Swansea will play for a draw and try to hit us on the break. We’ll be cautious as well to begin with . Everton really were there for the taking today, feels like a defeat.
austsaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. We'll go there in good form,probably our best form of the season, and away from home we aren't too shabby. We'd have take tonight's position like a shot at 2.59 last Saturday. Side more or less picks itself, I'd probably start Long, but Charlie is a good alternative. Is Lemina definitely ruled out? Is Romeu free to play?
austsaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 I sort of agree. We will need to be more positive and go for it. A win tonight would have made us more cautious and likely go for a draw which can be dangerous. Of course we are all assuming we get nothing against MC and I am sure we can't get a result if we play the way we have been over the last few games. And Stoke have a good chance of getting something from Swansea - even after relegation - It's just that we don't want to be relying on that outcome. Obviously if we had seen it out for the three points today the momentum would have been massive.
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 If we had of won we may have been in the position of stick or twist. We now know we have to win
Pamplemousse Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 A win would keep us up but going to be a massive challenge, not sure we’ve got it in us after such a gutting ending to today’s game. I think Swansea will play for a draw and try to hit us on the break. We’ll be cautious as well to begin with . Everton really were there for the taking today, feels like a defeat. No way will they settle for just a draw, they have the chance to relegate us and West Brom if they win.
beatlesaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 To be honest we are in a much better position with two games left than I dared hope for about three weeks ago. To win on Tuesday which will as good as make us safe is something I would have grabbed with both hands after the Chelsea result.
VectisSaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 Is Lemina definitely ruled out? Is Romeu free to play? Of course Romeu can play, 10 yellow deadline passed after 32 games. Next cut off is 15, even OR cannot get to that this season. Lemina, probably subbed as precaution, have to wait and see I guess.
OttawaSaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 Hopefully we win and don’t need anything vs City. Remember the last time, each day leading up I’d think, nah we’re down, then the next day, maybe we could do it, bit of magic, next day, but realistically we’ll lose...torture
austsaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 Of course Romeu can play, 10 yellow deadline passed after 32 games. Next cut off is 15, even OR cannot get to that this season. Lemina, probably subbed as precaution, have to wait and see I guess. Thanks - Lemina is crucial - thought the Romeu, Hojbjerg, Lemina midfield trio worked well today with Lemina having licence to drive forward, Hoj some box-to-box play as well and Romeu holding.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 Swansea will be looking at 3 points from that Stoke game and be counting on 36, minimum. They will also be looking at the Huddersfield position and thinking they won't avoid defeat twice in their last three. So they might be in the comfort zone a bit. We should be far far hungrier, and with Carvhalo being the cautious type (think Puel, Pellegrino) we should be able to take the game to them. Romeu will be available, possibly Lemina, and Yoshi couldn't even get in the team a few weeks back, so we are used to defending without him. This is very winnable, and would have taken your arm off for this chance a few weeks ago. 2-0 Saints COYR.
LaptopSaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 I agree with this. I think our mentality will be better going for a win. We know we're better than them - I'm pretty sure Sparky will convince the players of that. Might turn out to be a blessing in disguise when we're looking back on it. I like the chances of a Southampton trying to win against Swansea better than the chances of a Southampton thinking a draw against them might be enough.
LaptopSaint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stoke tonk Swansea next weekend - no pressure, won't want to finish bottom, show some pride. Its amazing how after the second bottle of wine the confidence comes flooding back. COYR And Stoke have a good chance of getting something from Swansea - even after relegation - It's just that we don't want to be relying on that outcome. Obviously if we had seen it out for the three points today the momentum would have been massive.
John Boy Saint Posted 5 May, 2018 Posted 5 May, 2018 See we have Michael Oliver on the whistle for this one, so goodness know what he will see. Oh and joy of joys running one of the lines with the flag in his hand is Mr Burt the blind numptie who flagged of Gabbis perfectly good goal in the EFL final. Just bloody win it lads
Dark Munster Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 After so many "must-win" matches this season we've finally arrived at the real one.
Shroppie Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Deflating to know that after 95 minutes of today's game we were probably safe as we'd have been above Huddersfield, but we can't hold grudges and we go again against Swansea. Simply a must win now as we can't rely on us to get anything against City. The team will be weaker though with no Yoshida or Romeu, and possibly Lemina so we need each player to be at their best. Midfield looks weak though. McCarthy Cedric Stephens Bednarek Hoedt Bertrand Hojbjerg Lemina/JWP Redmond Tadic LongWhy no Romeu? 10 yellow deadline has gone. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
simo Posted 6 May, 2018 Author Posted 6 May, 2018 The Swansea fans will be right up for it so we'll have to make sure we are too !
Shroppie Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Two draws might just do it. Lose to Swansea and we need to beat City and hope.Lose to Seansea and beat City would probably overtake Huddersfield. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
LGTL Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 What a game this is. Crucial that Lemina is fit IMO, the midfield 3 would work perfectly as we’d control the game even more then we did yesterday. McCarthy Cedric Bednerek Stephens Hoedt Lemina Romeu Hodjberg Redmond Tadic Long I do wonder whether he might go Bertrand CB and McQueen wing back though.
stknowle Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 CB's to be selected from Stephens, Hoedt, and Bednarek. Possibly all three. The CB situation is a massive worry for this game. All 3 are green and Hoedt and Stephens dodgy at best. I'd be tempted to put Bertrand in the back 3 for some experience and organisation, and bring McQueen in at LB. Then it's the ultimate Hobson's choice of whether to go with Stephens or Hoedt to play alongside Bertrand and Bednarek. The fact we have 1 centre back at the club with a decent level of experience is a disgrace.
Cabrone Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Can't see us getting anything from citeh so this is the last real game of the season. I want to see the team give everything, no slacking anywhere. If we go down we go down fighting.
Shroppie Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 After so many "must-win" matches this season we've finally arrived at the real one.This. I don't want to start thinking of what has to happen for us to stay up if we draw or lose. Hopefully it'll be like the Bournemouth game which we had to win, no compromise. There's a huge prize for winning - virtually safe before the last game. Drawing means we have to rely on other results and/or get something from City. Not impossible but odds then against us. The real downer about the equaliser yesterday is that the win would have finished West Brom off and put us above Huddersfield and matching or bettering their remaining fixtures shouldn't be a problem. And I keep thinking back to the two points stolen at Watford by the most blatant handball, one lost by the ref at City away who played on until they scored. So many ways we could be safe already with not sacking MP and dropping FF earlier the biggest mistakes. But all irrelevant. The only way to do this is win on Tuesday. Biggest game in ages. COYR! Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
monosaint Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 I still feel that despite the disappointment of yesterday we would have needed a win on Tuesday to all but guarantee safety. I would bet that Huddersfield could get a draw at home to Arsenal who have nothing to play for. So in a way nothing changes.
austsaint Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 The CB situation is a massive worry for this game. All 3 are green and Hoedt and Stephens dodgy at best. I'd be tempted to put Bertrand in the back 3 for some experience and organisation, and bring McQueen in at LB. Then it's the ultimate Hobson's choice of whether to go with Stephens or Hoedt to play alongside Bertrand and Bednarek. The fact we have 1 centre back at the club with a decent level of experience is a disgrace. It really is; where's Carceres when you really need him? Reed and Kreuger really need booting for their incompetence.
Batman Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 It says something when we are in the shyt because yoshida is out
whelk Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 It says something when we are in the shyt because yoshida is out Does anything ever about the team or club make you have a positive thought?
whelk Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Game of the season. Whatever happens at least our season isn’t ending with a damp squib.
Batman Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Does anything ever about the team or club make you have a positive thought? Quite liked it when our team that costs not far off spurs team and we were not far off them in the league.
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Obviously gut wrenching to concede that late on especially when easily avoidable (Bertrand) but nothing changes in terms of needing win at Swansea which effectively would mean we stay up on GD at worst barring a huge goal swing. The lads will need picking up but still in our hands. Swansea had chances yesterday and v Chelsea but by all accounts they aren't playing great and fans not happy with formation. Sent from my SM-A320FL using Tapatalk
warsash saint Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 See we have Michael Oliver on the whistle for this one, so goodness know what he will see. Oh and joy of joys running one of the lines with the flag in his hand is Mr Burt the blind numptie who flagged of Gabbis perfectly good goal in the EFL final. Just bloody win it lads Michael oliver is probably the best of a very bad bunch!! May feel like an 11 vs 11 game for a change!
InvictaSaint Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Obviously gut wrenching to concede that late on especially when easily avoidable (Bertrand) but nothing changes in terms of needing win at Swansea which effectively would mean we stay up on GD at worst barring a huge goal swing. The lads will need picking up but still in our hands. Swansea had chances yesterday and v Chelsea but by all accounts they aren't playing great and fans not happy with formation. Sent from my SM-A320FL using Tapatalk Agree with this. Now that I’ve calmed down a little (had to apologise to the kids for turning the air blue when the Everton goal went in...) I have to agree with a number of other posters - specifically, had we won yesterday the need to win at Swansea was 100% still there. I can just imagine us (from decades of experience!) going to Wales cocky or complacent after getting 3 points at Goodison and f.ucking it up. That would put the Swans a point above us if we were to lose with us then having to get something against City whilst hoping Stoke get something at Swansea. Even a draw would have multiple issues for us. So....nothing really has changed and that is the way we ALL need to view it. We have our destiny in our own hands. We are improving and Swansea are not Barca. Hughes will know how to keep morale up, minds focussed and desire strong. We can still do this. And 3 weeks ago I would have given my right arm to be where we are now. Come Tuesday night I will be shouting myself hoarse and likewise Sunday at St Mary’s, whatever the outcome. COYS.
Batman Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Good points. What is it, 5 points from the last 3 games. 2 of which we’re away!! We looked to have no hope after the 3-0 defeats to Newcastle and West Ham Why on earth Hughes was not brought in 5 games earlier? Just plain bizarre It will be that which sends us down, no Bertrand or Moss
beatlesaint Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Agree with this. Now that I’ve calmed down a little (had to apologise to the kids for turning the air blue when the Everton goal went in...) I have to agree with a number of other posters - specifically, had we won yesterday the need to win at Swansea was 100% still there. I can just imagine us (from decades of experience!) going to Wales cocky or complacent after getting 3 points at Goodison and f.ucking it up. That would put the Swans a point above us if we were to lose with us then having to get something against City whilst hoping Stoke get something at Swansea. Even a draw would have multiple issues for us. So....nothing really has changed and that is the way we ALL need to view it. We have our destiny in our own hands. We are improving and Swansea are not Barca. Hughes will know how to keep morale up, minds focussed and desire strong. We can still do this. And 3 weeks ago I would have given my right arm to be where we are now. Come Tuesday night I will be shouting myself hoarse and likewise Sunday at St Mary’s, whatever the outcome. COYS. great post and very very good point about Tuesday had we won yesterday.
GarrettIvo Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Tough one. Swansea were a total non-event against Bournemouth. They didn't show up, and they didn't even look like showing up. In short, they are crap. Given how crap Bournemouth were against us, you'd think it'd bode well. But we can't beat crap teams when we need too, because we're crap too. I expect us to lose.
simo Posted 6 May, 2018 Author Posted 6 May, 2018 Tough one. Swansea were a total non-event against Bournemouth. They didn't show up, and they didn't even look like showing up. In short, they are crap. Given how crap Bournemouth were against us, you'd think it'd bode well. But we can't beat crap teams when we need too, because we're crap too. I expect us to lose. Apart from the crap team called Bournemouth we beat about a week ago when we needed to ?
GarrettIvo Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Apart from the crap team called Bournemouth we beat about a week ago when we needed to ? Touche. I will stay comfortable in my pessimism though if it's all the same.
nta786 Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 Anyone else considering betting near on their savings on a Swansea win or draw?!?! I can’t wait for Tuesday night wish I was able to go- biggest game of the season
Saint_Ash Posted 6 May, 2018 Posted 6 May, 2018 The bad thing about not winning yesterday was dragging huddersfield right in it and meaning we could still stay up if we lost both remaining games, although unlikely. Like others have said, we now have to keep fighting and there will be no complacency. I also feel the city players will want to be careful in the last game so not to pick up injuries for the world cup, we can get a win against them if need be. Be nice not to have that over us though.
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