The way Crouch can get back in

[Alain Perrin]

We keep hearing rumours about Leon Crouch offering £2m to the club but only if the others chip in too. Personally I think this is an empty offer, but let's assume it isn't.

 

If LC is serious about it, he should go the Daily Echo and state it loud and proud. Better than just chucking £2m into the abyss, why not sponsor the wages for Lupoli or another signing?

 

He would then force Rupert to put up or shut up, until then it is like me offering £2m (nice idea, but I'm struggling with the mortgage as it is!)

[beatlesaint]

We keep hearing rumours about Leon Crouch offering £2m to the club but only if the others chip in too. Personally I think this is an empty offer, but let's assume it isn't.

 

If LC is serious about it, he should go the Daily Echo and state it loud and proud. Better than just chucking £2m into the abyss, why not sponsor the wages for Lupoli or another signing?

 

He would then force Rupert to put up or shut up, until then it is like me offering £2m (nice idea, but I'm struggling with the mortgage as it is!)

 

Nice idea but that would not force Lowe to do anything. He would probably turn it around on Crouch and say he is just making up a small amount for what the club lost whilst he was Chairman.

 

It doesnt have to be 100% true with Lowe remember.....he's a tricky one.

 

Now if Crouch and co. were to make public certain instances that occured whilst Lowe was trying to get back into the club, that may force his hand.

[paulwantsapint]

Hoped it was Peter trying to return from Skate land on free transfer

[alpine_saint]

We keep hearing rumours about Leon Crouch offering £2m to the club but only if the others chip in too. Personally I think this is an empty offer, but let's assume it isn't.

 

If LC is serious about it, he should go the Daily Echo and state it loud and proud. Better than just chucking £2m into the abyss, why not sponsor the wages for Lupoli or another signing?

 

He would then force Rupert to put up or shut up, until then it is like me offering £2m (nice idea, but I'm struggling with the mortgage as it is!)

 

Erm, didnt he issue the same challenge to Wilde through the Echo (with the same negative response)...?

[sadoldgit]

Why would you want Crouch back in? If there is to be another change I hope to God it is someone else with a bit of nous.

[Snowballs2]

Why would you want Crouch back in? If there is to be another change I hope to God it is someone else with a bit of nous.

 

 

 

Well lets put it this way, if it was a choice between you running the club and Crouch, I would choose Crouch every time. The only thing positive about you is your support always for dead leg Lowe.

[SaintRobbie]

Why would you want Crouch back in? If there is to be another change I hope to God it is someone else with a bit of nous.

 

I sort of agree. But he is a fan, wears his heart on his sleeve and cares passionately about Southampton Football Club rather than SLH plc. So he gets my vote above the other idiots in the boardroom, because I think if anyone Crouch is the most likely to get off his arse and find a buyer with the club's interests at heart.

 

I'd take Crouch back above Lowe right now... a couple of heartfelt pleas from him and some sensible ticketting ideas would have many many fans coming back to help us through this relegation battle that are staying away due to Lowe.

[sadoldgit]

I sort of agree. But he is a fan, wears his heart on his sleeve and cares passionately about Southampton Football Club rather than SLH plc. So he gets my vote above the other idiots in the boardroom, because I think if anyone Crouch is the most likely to get off his arse and find a buyer with the club's interests at heart.

 

I'd take Crouch back above Lowe right now.

 

I don't think that being a fan and running the club are always a good thing. Crouch had a chance to do this before and under we we were nearly went down. Surely we can do much better than that.

 

We have gone down the anyone but Lowe road before and it hasn't worked. The next change is crucial and it has to be right.

[sadoldgit]

Well lets put it this way, if it was a choice between you running the club and Crouch, I would choose Crouch every time. The only thing positive about you is your support always for dead leg Lowe.

 

LOL, you guys kill me. 1. I don't believe that I can run the club better than the pros (unlike you cyber jockeys) and 2. Crouch did such a great job last time didn't he?

[hypochondriac]

LOL, you guys kill me. 1. I don't believe that I can run the club better than the pros (unlike you cyber jockeys) and 2. Crouch did such a great job last time didn't he?

 

Well he had the backing of Barclays. Please enlighten me as to what he did wrong?

[SaintRobbie]

I don't think that being a fan and running the club are always a good thing. Crouch had a chance to do this before and under we we were nearly went down. Surely we can do much better than that.

 

We have gone down the anyone but Lowe road before and it hasn't worked. The next change is crucial and it has to be right.

 

As I say - I dont want Crouch running it - I want to see him driving for a buyer. I want to see him get off his arse and sell this club - and I believe he's the only man, who as a genuine fan, has the credibility and passion to find someone else to run the Club.

 

Anyone But Lowe provided us with the chance of the SISU deal and possibly Chris Coleman.... would you rather be in Coventry's position right now or Saints?

 

Lowe is a drain on this club - both psychologically and financially. He has continually proven that he doesnt understand the fundamentals of running a Football Club - merely a plc business. He is the WRONG man for so many reasons. He MUST go and MUST take the remaining shareholders with him.

 

Crouch is our best interim hope of staying in this League IMHO. At least if he stood up and said we havent got any money and we need to all do our bit to support our team people would believe him.

 

Lowe is shot. Is mistrusted. Is a failure. Lowe is hated by too many and will never be forgiven for putting us in this position in the first place.

[sadoldgit]

The perceived wisdom at the time was that the SISU deal was not a good one. Are Coventry realy setting the world alight nowdays?

You have to make the right deal, not the only one on the table at the time.

As for Crouch, I think he is too emotionally charged and shoots from the lip without engaging his brain. It is like someone from here running the club.

But that is only my opinion of course.

[saintwarwick]

Well he had the backing of Barclays. Please enlighten me as to what he did wrong?

 

As I'm sure Lowe has.

[J Bizzle]

speaking from teh point of view of Crouch, it would be stupid to invest in the club atm, as he guarenteed to lose it. If you had 2 mill spare to spend on the club, would you really? i know for sure i wouldn't as its not a smart business move.

[saintstr1]

LOL, you guys kill me. 1. I don't believe that I can run the club better than the pros (unlike you cyber jockeys) and 2. Crouch did such a great job last time didn't he?

 

If Crouch had got the chance to finish what he had started who knows were it would of ended, For sure Pearson would still be manager , Barclays seemed happy with Crouch's approach to the finances and most importantly in Crouch you had someone who was totally comitted to the Saints. I am fairly certain we would be a lot higher in the table had things been left alone.

 

If you prefer to listen to the lies & doom &gloom that come from Lowes mouth then good luck to you , Lowe only got into this club again because he jockeyed that Spineless ***t Wilde into a position on the threat of Wilde losing his investment. Lowe is not the slightest bit interested in Wilde now , Lowe is just a user , Lowe has got HIS toys back and he is going to do what he wants now come hell or highwater.

 

Southampton is not the only football club in the UK that is deep in the financial poo , but if you listen to the gospel according to Lowe we are in the bigger trouble than any club in the land, He has brainwashed the supporters with his scaremongering tactics and it is him that has put the club in the precarious position it is today with his total football b@ll@ks.

 

RUPERT LOWE ........... I HAD A DREAM !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Give me Crouch with his integrity and love of Saints anyday

[Charlie Wayman]

In many ways Crouch and Lowe are cut from similar cloth, they are both egotistical, self-serving bigots who have their own interests very much at the forefront of their thinking rather than what is good for Southampton Football Club. As it happens the majority on here seem to find it easier to empathise with Crouch.

 

Unfortunately, this may just be down to the old hatreds and "anybody but Lowe" prejudice, which is understandable given Lowe's evident inability and unwillingness to recognise that supporters are not just customers and Supporters are as much Stakeholders in SFC as he.

 

Since there has been no recorded evidence of a single Leopard ever transforming itself into a Cheetah through some miracle of nature that so far has not been explained, it must be concluded that we have seen the best and worst of both Lowe and Crouch and both have been found wanting as far as providing leadership and vision for our club is concerned.

 

We need to rid ourselves of both and their acolytes and embrace a new regime and a root and branch overhaul of the entire business before there is any hope at all of re-uniting the supporter base

[manji]

Crouch did nothing for the club last time round just a load of empty gestures and further debt.

I find it beyond belief that some fans are suggesting Crouch and/or Lawrie as saviours of the club.

[aintforever]

Crouch did nothing for the club last time round just a load of empty gestures and further debt.

I find it beyond belief that some fans are suggesting Crouch and/or Lawrie as saviours of the club.

 

Crouch didn't do alot wrong last time, he was only in charge for January to the end of the season. He made unpopular money saving descisions in loaning out Rasiak and Skacel, picked what looks like a good choice in manager and backed the manager by bringing in loans like Perry and Wright that saved the club from relegation.

[ottery st mary]

Crouchey not given near enough time to finish the job he inherited after Wildeys lot of cowboys and Lowey and his mob before that.

With Mary Corbett, I think Crouchey would have brought the stability and a better strategy to the financial restructuring and together with someone like Salz in the chair we could have gone forward with Pearson as Manager AND THE FOOTBALL team being run much more professionally. I accept it appears a pipedream at the moment regarding financial investment, but as shown under Lowey...No chance there either.

 

Lowey and Wildey no realistic strategy between two failed business men and not a drop of football sense either.

 

I wonder how Wildey feels now...No chance of recovery for his investment AND being totally sidelined and ridiculed in both the Football and Business world. You even now have

Loweys angels on this forum doing the MASTERS work and continually ridiculing and blaming Wildey for everything Lowey has messed up.. Wildey that is what FRIENDS are for......Mr Wilde, you have been had over...Make it up with Crouchey and Corbey and insist on someone LIKE..Salz in the chair knocking all the heads together...You know it makes sense....The way your heading at the mo..Lowey will finish you, more ways than one.

 

COYR

[ghq]

In many ways Crouch and Lowe are cut from similar cloth, they are both egotistical, self-serving bigots who have their own interests very much at the forefront of their thinking rather than what is good for Southampton Football Club. As it happens the majority on here seem to find it easier to empathise with Crouch.

 

Unfortunately, this may just be down to the old hatreds and "anybody but Lowe" prejudice, which is understandable given Lowe's evident inability and unwillingness to recognise that supporters are not just customers and Supporters are as much Stakeholders in SFC as he.

 

Since there has been no recorded evidence of a single Leopard ever transforming itself into a Cheetah through some miracle of nature that so far has not been explained, it must be concluded that we have seen the best and worst of both Lowe and Crouch and both have been found wanting as far as providing leadership and vision for our club is concerned.

 

We need to rid ourselves of both and their acolytes and embrace a new regime and a root and branch overhaul of the entire business before there is any hope at all of re-uniting the supporter base

 

Last paragraph sums it up for me. I certainly am no fan of Lowe's, but have been concerned about Crouch since the pre-ousting of Lowe. Having said that, he didn't do too much wrong when in charge last season. He still hasn't convinced me though.

[um pahars]

speaking from teh point of view of Crouch, it would be stupid to invest in the club atm, as he guarenteed to lose it. If you had 2 mill spare to spend on the club, would you really? i know for sure i wouldn't as its not a smart business move.

 

I would certainly agree that putting 2million into the CLub at this point in time would not be prudent from an investment position, but I think you miss Crouch's rationale for putting in 2million.

 

IMHO I don't think he sees it as an investment, more that he would be doing it in an attempt to avoid administration and avoid the fall out of a firsale of any saleable assets, as well as stopping us from a serious points deduction.

 

I think this investment is coming from his heart and not his head, which given our current predicament is rather honourable IMHO.

[um pahars]

Crouch did nothing for the club last time round just a load of empty gestures and further debt.

 

And what extra debt would that be????

 

I think you'll find that for the period Crouch was really in situ (end of Dec - May) our debt was stable (if not reduced).

 

He certainly made mistakes (i.e. the dithering over replacing Burley), but at the end of the day he, like Pearson, inherited a Club in freefall and on reflection both of them performed better than what we currently have in situ.

 

I find it beyond belief that some fans are suggesting Crouch and/or Lawrie as saviours of the club.

 

I'm not overly sure I would want Crouch or McMenemy handling the day to day affairs and would much rather Crouch oversaw the appointment of an independent, competent and tasked CEO (as well as Chairman) and then took a seat on the board along with representatives of other shareholders and stakeholders.

 

By the same token I find it beyond belief that some fans thought, and still think, that Lowe would be the saviour of our Club.

[Snowballs2]

Crouchey not given near enough time to finish the job he inherited after Wildeys lot of cowboys and Lowey and his mob before that.

With Mary Corbett, I think Crouchey would have brought the stability and a better strategy to the financial restructuring and together with someone like Salz in the chair we could have gone forward with Pearson as Manager AND THE FOOTBALL team being run much more professionally. I accept it appears a pipedream at the moment regarding financial investment, but as shown under Lowey...No chance there either.

 

Lowey and Wildey no realistic strategy between two failed business men and not a drop of football sense either.

 

I wonder how Wildey feels now...No chance of recovery for his investment AND being totally sidelined and ridiculed in both the Football and Business world. You even now have

Loweys angels on this forum doing the MASTERS work and continually ridiculing and blaming Wildey for everything Lowey has messed up.. Wildey that is what FRIENDS are for......Mr Wilde, you have been had over...Make it up with Crouchey and Corbey and insist on someone LIKE..Salz in the chair knocking all the heads together...You know it makes sense....The way your heading at the mo..Lowey will finish you, more ways than one.

 

COYR

 

 

My view mirrors yours...add to that Crouch is a far more successful businessman than Lowe, is a real supporter of the club and IMO is much more honourable than Lowe makes me think that of the current options without a buyer we would be better off under Crouch, but, thats just my personal opinion.

[VectisSaint]

Crouch did nothing for the club last time round just a load of empty gestures and further debt.

I find it beyond belief that some fans are suggesting Crouch and/or Lawrie as saviours of the club.

Another deluded lister. How did Crouch increase our debt between Dec 2008 and May 2009? You are confusing Crouch with Mike Wilde and his gang. They are the ones who increased our debt, not Crouch. Crouch put several measures in place to do just the opposite, including loaning out Rasiak and Skacel, putting in place the plans to close the corners, and instigating the transport changes. Unfortunately LC as Chairman running the Club is not really an option, he didn't do it before because he knows his limitations, he had the help of Lee Hoos, the only one of Wilde's bunch who had any skill as far as I can tell (after all he is now gainfully employed in a similar position at Leicester. Leon needs a man who can run a football club and sadly the person who we had for that role was forced to leave.