Deanovski Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 Relegation or not the people running the club are not fit to do so. NO fight to keep players and absolute PR BS when we sell. Cortese clearly thought the world of Markuss and despite his methods had the players and fans we were top 4 contenders. Would have him back in a HEARTBEAT, he must be feeling very bittersweet right now to see the mess our club is. incoming bedwetter comments.
Wrensup Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 First off, how do you know Cortese though the world of Markus? Secondly, bittersweet? I'm sure he pushes pins into a mini KL doll every night thinking about she did him over! Also, 'bedwetter comments' what would constitute a bedwetter comment?
brmbrm Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 Has it ever occurred to you, Deano, that people sometimes don't want to do what you want them to do? In this particular case, how can we "bring back Cortese" - kidnap him? Same with managers and players - they do have some sort of say into what job they want and where they want to work.
Heisenberg Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 Would be fantastic but won't happen. We are stuck with the Muppet boys for a while yet I fear.
Fan The Flames Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 I think Cortese probably doesn't give two ****s about us.
Turkish Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 He can't he's already got a job. After tracking him for years when he was with us he's now CEO of AC Milan Oh wait.....
Noodles34 Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 He can't he's already got a job. After tracking him for years when he was with us he's now CEO of AC Milan Oh wait..... Jesus mate, you peddle this same line every single time the guy is mentioned. Even you must realise it's wearing a bit thin now.
CB Fry Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 Relegation or not the people running the club are not fit to do so. NO fight to keep players and absolute PR BS when we sell. Cortese clearly thought the world of Markuss and despite his methods had the players and fans we were top 4 contenders. Would have him back in a HEARTBEAT, he must be feeling very bittersweet right now to see the mess our club is. incoming bedwetter comments. We finished 14th in his only full season in the Premier League. When he fuc ked off out of it we were eighth but nowhere near top four. The subsequent regime turned us into a team just a win away from the top four, though. Well done them.
Micky Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 He can't he's already got a job. After tracking him for years when he was with us he's now CEO of AC Milan Oh wait.....Exactly... Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk
Jonnyboy Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 We finished 14th in his only full season in the Premier League. When he fuc ked off out of it we were eighth but nowhere near top four. The subsequent regime turned us into a team just a win away from the top four, though. Well done them. 14th? Bite your hand off.
Pamplemousse Posted 15 April, 2018 Posted 15 April, 2018 We finished 8th, 7th, 6th and 8th after he left. He won't solve our problems. A 1 star rating for this thread is generous.
Heisenberg Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Took us from -10 points in League One… to top 10 in Premier League Momentum then carried us beautifully for a couple of seasons. #momentum #curve I predicted it would all go Pete Tong under Reed but the same people that undermine Cortese thought top 10 would continue forever #mysticmeg #insight #knowledge
alpine_saint Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 That ship has sailed, sadly. He wouldnt get the money to spend under the Chinese crook
Fan The Flames Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Jesus mate, you peddle this same line every single time the guy is mentioned. Even you must realise it's wearing a bit thin now. He is no more repetitive than the people calling for Cortese's return and he has a point as well, Cortese is lauded on here as some sort of football administering genius but hasn't had a job in football since. So the people who might hire him don't think he's that great, you know the people whose money he will be spunking.
Noodles34 Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 He is no more repetitive than the people calling for Cortese's return and he has a point as well, Cortese is lauded on here as some sort of football administering genius but hasn't had a job in football since. So the people who might hire him don't think he's that great, you know the people whose money he will be spunking. ok, but its like a broken record, I mean that's his one line every time Cortese is mentioned, and it is based on some rumour that Milan wanted him, and he just beats that drum every time, it's a bit sad. He hates Cortese, i get that and that is fine, but change the record and really, does anyone need to respond to such a pointless thread?
Matthew Le God Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Relegation or not the people running the club are not fit to do so. NO fight to keep players and absolute PR BS when we sell. Cortese clearly thought the world of Markuss and despite his methods had the players and fans we were top 4 contenders. Would have him back in a HEARTBEAT, he must be feeling very bittersweet right now to see the mess our club is. incoming bedwetter comments. We were contenders for the top 4 in the 2015/16 season. Finishing 6th and only 3 points away from 4th place. Cortese left in January 2014
shurlock Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 We were contenders for the top 4 in the 2015/16 season. Finishing 6th and only 3 points away from 4th place. Cortese left in January 2014 We were never contenders in 2015/16 - if anything we were more contenders in 2014/15.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 We were never contenders in 2015/16 - if anything we were more contenders in 2014/15. If you end the season only 3 points away from 4th, then I don't see how anyone can say they aren't contenders. 2014/15 - 7th 10 points away from 4th 2015/16 - 6th 3 points away from 4th Cortese was not at the club for either of those seasons.
Batman Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 If you end the season only 3 points away from 4th, then I don't see how anyone can say they aren't contenders. 2014/15 - 7th 10 points away from 4th 2015/16 - 6th 3 points away from 4th Cortese was not at the club for either of those seasons. It’s like saying Arsenal were title challengers when Leicester won the league because they finished 2nd
Matthew Le God Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 It’s like saying Arsenal were title challengers when Leicester won the league because they finished 2nd No it isn't. 2015/16 Gap from Saints to 4th place = 3 points Gap from Arsenal to Leicester = 10 points Saints were 1 win in a 38 game season away from being level on points with 4th place. If you finish a 38 game season 1 win away from being level on points for a position... then you were clearly contenders for it!
shurlock Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 If you end the season only 3 points away from 4th, then I don't see how anyone can say they aren't contenders. 2014/15 - 7th 10 points away from 4th 2015/16 - 6th 3 points away from 4th Cortese was not at the club for either of those seasons. Obviously you didn’t follow those seasons or watch us play much then. In 2015/16, we were looking down rather than up for the first half of the season (see the reaction after the Norwich away game). It was only a phenomenal run at the end that saw us break into the top six and close the gap on the top four but we were never real contenders whereas in 2014/15 we were in the top 4 for large parts of the season only to fall apart at the end. Tell me how many weeks did we spend in the top 4 in 2014/15 vs 2015/16? Any idiot can read a league table which is what you’ve done - making sense of those seasons is another matter entirely pal.
doddisalegend Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 We've never been close to a top four side getting a bit close a couple of times, whichever season you want to say it was, really counts for nothing as we weren't good enough to actually finish 4th or sustain it.
VectisSaint Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Relegation or not the people running the club are not fit to do so. NO fight to keep players and absolute PR BS when we sell. Cortese clearly thought the world of Markuss and despite his methods had the players and fans we were top 4 contenders. Would have him back in a HEARTBEAT, he must be feeling very bittersweet right now to see the mess our club is. incoming bedwetter comments. Won't happen while Ms Liebherr remains part owner of the Club. Might happen if Gao buys her out completely and looks around for some help spending his (backers') money, which hopefully he will at some point otherwise we will continue with the current bumbling board.
pluto Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Cortese aka the master of illusion He left because he had enough of living in the UK and family wanted to return to Switzerland. I suspect his main motivation was to sell at some point and make himself a large wedge, rather like whats happened now.
SNSUN Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 We've never been close to a top four side getting a bit close a couple of times, whichever season you want to say it was, really counts for nothing as we weren't good enough to actually finish 4th or sustain it. The top 6 are now so strong (Leicester's doing) that I can't see any club sustaining a long term challenge to break into the top 6. Burnley are close this season but I doubt they will be there next season. The minute any club looks like they might be a threat to the top 6, they buy their best players. Leicester should have capitalised, and although they only sold Kante, they had a poor summer spend. Unless someone ploughs in billions and "does a City" over the next few years, Everton might I suppose, I feel the future of the Premier League will be the top 6 and everyone else fighting for 7th. I am interested to see how Wolves do next season though, they seem to be on a mission to achieve things.
Saint86 Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 I think Cortese probably doesn't give two ****s about us. Yeah, but with his ego and the way he was forced out, you know he'd come back just to show what a pair of idiots Les and KL are....
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Yeah, but with his ego and the way he was forced out, you know he'd come back just to show what a pair of idiots Les and KL are.... If that’s his motivation then best he stays where he is
OldNick Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 He can't he's already got a job. After tracking him for years when he was with us he's now CEO of AC Milan Oh wait.....yep Trust in Les
saint1977 Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 I enjoyed the Cortese era as fan but even if hypothetically this were an option, it wouldn't seem sensible as: - We wouldn't have an owner willing to spend large sums of money, as NC comparatively had in L1, NPC and first season back - Approval of expenditure - this appeared to be the issue causing NC's departure. Owners will want some accountability and in places, some joint decision-making - Trajectory: We appeared to be piling up some quite alarming debt and doing some things the club said wouldn't happen - Commercial income; I'm not fan of Kreuger's overall but this does appear to have improved significantly, shame relegation will harm much of this e.g. UA, Virgin Media Having said the above, where I think the OP is coming from is the corpulent nature of how the club is now run and the total lack of urgency or vision currently. Cortese might not have had the money - and was relying on the funding of others to achieve it who probably didn't have it either in retrospect - but there was a vision and I can see how it became alluring to some fans.
OldNick Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 We finished 14th in his only full season in the Premier League. When he fuc ked off out of it we were eighth but nowhere near top four. The subsequent regime turned us into a team just a win away from the top four, though. Well done them.to be fair, the progress doesn't stop the minute NC left. It takes quite a while for such things to unravel, as it took a while for the good times to start.
Heisenberg Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 to be fair, the progress doesn't stop the minute NC left. It takes quite a while for such things to unravel, as it took a while for the good times to start. Aka momentum curve Les's best and worst friend
OldNick Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Aka momentum curve Les's best and worst friendits like the economy, you have to look ahead quite a time before the effects of anything done now comes into play. Everyseason the quality of the squad erodes, as we slowly lost the real gems. Not that the club can be fully blamed for the players wanting to go, but not replacing vital parts of the team is.Eg centre halves and goalscorers, the spine of the team
Give it to Ron Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 its like the economy, you have to look ahead quite a time before the effects of anything done now comes into play. Everyseason the quality of the squad erodes, as we slowly lost the real gems. Not that the club can be fully blamed for the players wanting to go, but not replacing vital parts of the team is.Eg centre halves and goalscorers, the spine of the team Its where I blame for our predicament not at fans for wanting Puel gone - how many wanted Pellegrino? Why last January did we not buy a defender? Caceres was signed and not played. Where was the replacement for the imminent departure VVD this January? Why go for unobtainable players like Walcott/Promes? Kennedy at Newcastle on loan from Newcastle is flying ...why didnt we go for him? How many loan players do we currently have ? Other clubs use that why don't we as presumably there are no defenders in the whole of Europe better than Stephens/Yoshida/Hoedt? Our recruitment is the reason we are where we are...that and appointing the worst manager I have ever seen and leaving him there until 8 games to go. Incompetence doesn't cover this.....something stinks.
kpturner Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 ....and appointing the worst manager I have ever seen and leaving him there until 8 games to go. We have had worse managers than Pellegrino in the not too distant past......not that it is any consolation now.
Batman Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 We have had worse managers than Pellegrino in the not too distant past......not that it is any consolation now. Can’t think of any. None who were permanent anyway. His CV maybe be better than wigley, his performance at saints was most certainly not
ashnats Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 We've never been close to a top four side getting a bit close a couple of times, whichever season you want to say it was, really counts for nothing as we weren't good enough to actually finish 4th or sustain it. 83/84?
shurlock Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Its where I blame for our predicament not at fans for wanting Puel gone - how many wanted Pellegrino? Why last January did we not buy a defender? Caceres was signed and not played. Where was the replacement for the imminent departure VVD this January? Why go for unobtainable players like Walcott/Promes? Kennedy at Newcastle on loan from Newcastle is flying ...why didnt we go for him? How many loan players do we currently have ? Other clubs use that why don't we as presumably there are no defenders in the whole of Europe better than Stephens/Yoshida/Hoedt? Our recruitment is the reason we are where we are...that and appointing the worst manager I have ever seen and leaving him there until 8 games to go. Incompetence doesn't cover this.....something stinks. When you compare a beefed up memory stick aka the black box to being on the bridge of the starship enterprise, you know something stinks...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 We have had worse managers than Pellegrino in the not too distant past......not that it is any consolation now. Really? I cant think of many - Dodd/Gorman at least had a bit about them not the frightened rabbit in the headlights look. Stuart Gray maybe but he is a decent coach just not a good manager. I cannot get that image of him against Wolves down on his haunches at 0-2 down looking like he was scared sh1tless...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 I would be totally for cortese coming back. i think him going was the start of the wheels coming off, but the momentum built from his time in charge coupled with koeman doing amazing in the transfer market replacing the outgoings kept us ticking over nicely. i really find it hard to believe that nicola would have bent over everytime and allowed us to become a liverpool feeder club
Turkish Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 ok, but its like a broken record, I mean that's his one line every time Cortese is mentioned, and it is based on some rumour that Milan wanted him, and he just beats that drum every time, it's a bit sad. He hates Cortese, i get that and that is fine, but change the record and really, does anyone need to respond to such a pointless thread? You did, twice It was nice that it only took you 15 minutes to reply to me, it's almost like a klaxon goes off whenever there is a post about your pint sized hero. You do know who put that AC Milan rumour out there don't you? None other than your diminutive, Cuban heeled, chum. The king of his own PR and you saps sucked it all up.
Avenue_Saint Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Would be a dream to have him back. Only those with a personal axe to grind get bulging eyes and currents shooting through their body as soon as his name is mentioned here...
Noodles34 Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 You did, twice It was nice that it only took you 15 minutes to reply to me, it's almost like a klaxon goes off whenever there is a post about your pint sized hero. You do know who put that AC Milan rumour out there don't you? None other than your diminutive, Cuban heeled, chum. The king of his own PR and you saps sucked it all up. no, quite clearly you sapped it up mate.
OldNick Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 None other than your diminutive, Cuban heeled, chum. The king of his own PR and you saps sucked it all up. we are the saps eh Turks...we weren't the ones peddling the In Les we Trust theme though
Wade Garrett Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 If I was Gao, I would get Christian Purslow and let him run the club and appoint his own people. He is seriously impressive. Cortese was decent, but not as good as Woodford.
aintforever Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Cortese back? Great idea - all we need first is a billionaire owner willing to throw his money around because the dwarf couldn’t get out of the club quick enough when he found out he was going to have to work to some sort of realistic budget.
Avenue_Saint Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 Cortese back? Great idea - all we need first is a billionaire owner willing to throw his money around because the dwarf couldn’t get out of the club quick enough when he found out he was going to have to work to some sort of realistic budget. If only we had a dwarf to find us ANOTHER billionaire hey unlike our current chicken cheap main. Go on Les.
Turkish Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 no, quite clearly you sapped it up mate. 19 minutes. The Cortese klaxon in over drive today
hackedoff Posted 16 April, 2018 Posted 16 April, 2018 He's history now,let's hope we can soon say the same about Les and Freddie.
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