Micky Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Sisu.Exactly, Coventry City. I agree with CB on this one but I just can't be assed to argue the point. As far as I'm concerned the Liebherr's found us in league one and left us in the championship. When you've been watching Saints for as long as I have you know that sh it happens. Relegation is gutting, but it ain't the end of the world, come next season we'll kick off in the championship and ill be there with the boy shouting our heads off. It's just a different ride at the end of the day. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 (edited) Fenway Sports loaned Liverpool money at 1%. That interest actually goes to paying back the banks and not Fenway themselves. They don't financially gain from the loan. They do however gain from the increased valuation of assets that the loan was spent on. Also didn't they write off a £70m loan? As for Man Utd I haven't got a clue about their finances and don't really care. But if you google football owners writes off debts I'm sure your find a whole load of them. In regards to the I want the club to spend, spend, spend thing I don't think nor believe that at all. Spending money for the sake of spending money is wrong. You have to live within your means. But when you look at our club and where that money is going you have to wonder what's going on? £50k a week for an inexperienced player like Stephens? New contracts being handed out even though they are not deserved? Is the club on a safe financial footing or is it relying on a strategy of player sales? The high finishes were great and showed that a club our size could compete. Look at Leicester winning it. But for me those finishes will mean little if we go down, are in financial trouble and in the wilderness for a very longtime like other clubs have. Simply because they could and should have been avoided. They came about because of the people in charge of the club totally ****ing up. And Kat was involved in those decisions. Fenway are not owners that are going to put money in and expect nothing back. They're not and you know it. And neither are the Glazers which you also know but you "don't care" because it doesn't fit your point. Because you're wrong of course. Most owners try and run their clubs within their means rather than pour money in and expect nothing back. That's what "Most owners" do. Most debt write offs involve converting loans into equity, ie they still own the club (or more of the club). That's generally how it works. Edited 14 April, 2018 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Must admit that I don't pop in here as regularly as some but I seem to recall a discussion of some pledges some weeks back. Did anything come of them? I guess they'd have to be rewritten anyway given the pending relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Glad you care about Saints then. Pompey wind up He's right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Must admit that I don't pop in here as regularly as some but I seem to recall a discussion of some pledges some weeks back. Did anything come of them? I guess they'd have to be rewritten anyway given the pending relegation. nope. it was Ralph who said it, so........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 14 April, 2018 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2018 I care about Saints sunshine. What I don't do is act like a whining blubbering man-baby. Show a bit if gratitude at the good fortune we had to have the Leibherr money and what that did and has done for for us. Markus's daughter owes you nothing. And being that you are an excellent example of the self-entitled grizzling toddler football fan I don't blame her for a second on trying to get the hell out of it. While you pompously chat sh it about how the city has been damaged, just think about cities like Sheffield and Derby and Bristol and Leeds and Sunderland and Coventry and Nottingham that just about manage to get up in the morning with no Premier League football cub. Our brilliant city will also survive but not with the snivelling wet blankets like you representing it. Try manning the fu ck up. Best way to win an argument is to resort to petty childish insults. I wish I was you. Actually no I don’t because you don’t come across as particularly nice individual and you act like the only person who is right. That’s never a good quality in a human being. I’m far from a bed wetter, I was there today as I have been all season. Some of just are just intelligent enough to not have the wool pulled over our eyes. Think about it whilst you just tow the party line. Thinking for yourself could be good do you. Anyway, that’s my three posts so night honey bunny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Does anyone believe we really had Promes lined up for the summer (and very nearly signed him in Jan) for circa £30m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Does anyone believe we really had Promes lined up for the summer (and very nearly signed him in Jan) for circa £30m? No, and I also can't believe we had Carrillo lined up (and actually did sign the ****) for circa £19m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 14 April, 2018 Share Posted 14 April, 2018 Katharina Leibherr can do what the fu ck she likes and doesn't owe you anything. I agree with a lot of the things you say on here and this is also true. However, she also said that this Chinese joker will take us on to the next level which she almost certainly would have known was complete bo!!ocks. Precisely zero fu**s given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 as she leaves, her legacy will be heavily tarnished with a completely self inflicted relegation. Partly due to her sale of the club to a lunatic The sale to Gao didn't relegate us, it's the mind-numbing incompetence and catalogue of disastrous decisions by Reed and co. over the last 2 seasons that did that. Plenty of time to blame Kat/Gao if we do a Coventry in a few years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 At the end of the day we're just a passive bunch of c*nts who've accepted all this ******** and let them get away with it. I can only imagine the uproar at other clubs if this kind of thing went on. Selling player after player and degrading the squad was only ever going to lead to this. We should have kicked off a long time ago. Too late now mind. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 I'll always be grateful to Kat for the sensible way she managed the club and the great memories of her spell in charge. As for Ralph I don't really see what he does, so can't really judge. As for Les legacy. I'll look back on a few good years ruined by poor decisions the past year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 (edited) At the end of the day we're just a passive bunch of c*nts who've accepted all this ******** and let them get away with it. I can only imagine the uproar at other clubs if this kind of thing went on. Selling player after player and degrading the squad was only ever going to lead to this. We should have kicked off a long time ago. Too late now mind. Shame. That it isn’t it. I know there is a natural order in football, but outside of Leeds and Pompey never has a club sold as many of their best players in such a short space of time And fans actually lapped it up. People on here were saying it is because we were just too good and no other club came close. Yeah, right Les managed to orchestrate a relegation in a league where there are 11 teams (currently) worse than This Everton side Think about that for a moment! Edited 15 April, 2018 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 At the end of the day we're just a passive bunch of c*nts who've accepted all this ******** and let them get away with it. I can only imagine the uproar at other clubs if this kind of thing went on. Selling player after player and degrading the squad was only ever going to lead to this. We should have kicked off a long time ago. Too late now mind. Shame. Agreed!! Our "fans" is gutless. But be careful you'll be getting a PM now from forum hardmen aka the Mitchell brothers aka Micky and OttawaSaint You critisise the fan base and the Mitchell bros will call you nasty names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 When you consider all the players we’ve sold and who we have sold them to I don’t think for any other team outside the top 6 it would have been much different. Everyone in the PL outside that top 6 are always at risk of relegation, it doesn’t need much to go wrong. The main reason for relegation was sat on the bench/in the stands yesterday (Redmond, Boufal, Lemina, Carrillo, Gabbiadini). If all that lot come in and perform significantly below expectations trouble is inevitable...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 When you consider all the players we’ve sold and who we have sold them to I don’t think for any other team outside the top 6 it would have been much different. Everyone in the PL outside that top 6 are always at risk of relegation, it doesn’t need much to go wrong. The main reason for relegation was sat on the bench/in the stands yesterday (Redmond, Boufal, Lemina, Carrillo, Gabbiadini). If all that lot come in and perform significantly below expectations trouble is inevitable...... You are right and we slipped into an arrogant complacency. It didn't happen overnight. I coined the phrase some years ago 'sleepwalking' to relegation and many people (including the Sunday Times), are now using the same phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 I don't agree with C.B. Fry's attitude attitude that an owner can do wtf he or she likes with a football club. Only someoe who has no piride or any real interest in his football club would talk like that. It is a privelege to be in charge of a club which represents a community, and most owners feel a sense of responsibility to the fans whose club they are entrusted with. Instead, she has made more money out of this football club than just about any other owner in the history of football and even the mainstream media are now begining to use the term asset-stripping to describe what she has done. Her father was a different matter and I have total respect for what he did for us. He earned it.This nails it as far as I'm concerned. Funny CB talking about man-ing up etc and that our city will survive, he doesn't even live there. He is up north somewhere, the best export the city ever did. lol Marcus is the man ho deserves our respect Kat and co deserve nothing as they did it for money. CB says she owes us nothing, well I and the majority have invested more in the club than she ever did, yes she put up returned interest backed money, but we have put our emotions and lives, let alone the massive amount we have spent following the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 The sale to Gao didn't relegate us, it's the mind-numbing incompetence and catalogue of disastrous decisions by Reed and co. over the last 2 seasons that did that. Plenty of time to blame Kat/Gao if we do a Coventry in a few years time. Yes "it's the mind-numbing incompetence and catalogue of disastrous decisions by Reed and co. over the last 2 seasons". It is ALL the bad decisions that will relegate us and Reed was either involved in or took every bad decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 You are right and we slipped into an arrogant complacency. It didn't happen overnight. I coined the phrase some years ago 'sleepwalking' to relegation and many people (including the Sunday Times), are now using the same phrase. You’re going a bit far there again. Like 14 other premier league clubs if our recruitment process let’s us down we’re in trouble..... I presume the same process that gave us Wanyama (who did get some stick I recall) and Mané has given us Lemina & Boufal (both of whom clearly have talent). It just hasn’t worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 You’re going a bit far there again. Like 14 other premier league clubs if our recruitment process let’s us down we’re in trouble..... I presume the same process that gave us Wanyama (who did get some stick I recall) and Mané has given us Lemina & Boufal (both of whom clearly have talent). It just hasn’t worked out. Hmmm...I think we took risks on players that were well short of the ones we replaced. This gradually reduced our effectiveness and the slow decline 'sleepwalk' had begun. No-one seemed to be able to wake the club up and the alarm bells though strong, were not close enough to those that led the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 April, 2018 Share Posted 15 April, 2018 I wonder if Kat will make a cut priced offer to give Gao an escape route after next season when he has managed to cycle enough money through the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 16 April, 2018 Share Posted 16 April, 2018 Hmmm...I think we took risks on players that were well short of the ones we replaced. This gradually reduced our effectiveness and the slow decline 'sleepwalk' had begun. No-one seemed to be able to wake the club up and the alarm bells though strong, were not close enough to those that led the club. Les must know that he messed up big time He refuses to give an interview to the Echo He is in hiding but he must know the fans will turn on him when the last game is over We really can't go in to the Summer with Les in charge again. The Chinese bloke knows nothing about football but he does know he just lost a £100m. If Les stays it will be the same late signings, total silence to the fans, selling anybody he can on the instructions of the board Les is old past his sell by date time for a change Another poor season and season ticket sales will collapse Despite the problems it would cause we need rid of Less and Ralph and need to start again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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