austsaint Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 If we don't use JWP and get set pieces and crosses in against Arsenal then we should give up. Stephens Yoshi Hoedt Cedric JWP Romeu Lemina Bertrand Austin Carrillo If we do use Ward-Prowse the game is definitely up. We are not going to survive the precipice by scoring from corners and the occasional set piece. The pace of Sims; the guile of Boufal; Lemina further forward - Tadic, Redmond out.......three midfielders....Romeu and Hojbjerg holding with Lemina forward of them.......Austin and Gabbiadini in the frame.....Yoshida back in for either Stephens or Hoedt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 Just had a run through of fixtures remaining and it is going to require at least one shock win. I have us collecting five more points, which are beating Bournemouth and draws against Chelsea and Swansea. I don’t see Stoke overtaking us having looked at their fixtures, and the team that I think will finish 4th bottom are Udders who I have finishing on 35. This Arsenal game, given Europa cup distractions, is one of those potential shocks but on Saturday evidence there is no prospect of that happening sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 Just had a run through of fixtures remaining and it is going to require at least one shock win. I have us collecting five more points, which are beating Bournemouth and draws against Chelsea and Swansea. I don’t see Stoke overtaking us having looked at their fixtures, and the team that I think will finish 4th bottom are Udders who I have finishing on 35. This Arsenal game, given Europa cup distractions, is one of those potential shocks but on Saturday evidence there is no prospect of that happening sadly. Think we can get a result against Arsenal. They were so so flat yesterday and were there for the taking and Stoke weren t able to profit. We ll be looking for a response after our 2 previous gutless performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 Think of how to get more players on the pitch who are up for it.... McCarthy Stephens Yoshida Bertrand JwP McQueen Romeu Hoj Sims Austin Long Just can’t have Cedric, tadic, redmond and sadly, gabbi in the side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 It currently feels like 04/05 in so much as if we escape it will only be because there are 3 worse teams, not because we have the balls to dig ourselves out of this. Also think it would have to be a record low points survival threshold for us to escape. Maybe 33? Gut feeling is 2 from Stoke, us, Hudders and if they implode maybe Swansea?? Still think Palace have the firepower to get themselves out of it. I wouldn't be putting any money on us surviving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 Look at our form. Look at how many goals we've scored. If there is anyone who honestly can say hand on heart that they think we'll beat Arsenal? It will take a miracle - 3-0 or possibly 4-0 to Arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 It currently feels like 04/05 in so much as if we escape it will only be because there are 3 worse teams, not because we have the balls to dig ourselves out of this. Also think it would have to be a record low points survival threshold for us to escape. Maybe 33? Gut feeling is 2 from Stoke, us, Hudders and if they implode maybe Swansea?? Still think Palace have the firepower to get themselves out of it. I wouldn't be putting any money on us surviving. Isn't that the whole point and always the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 McCarthy Cedric Stephens Yoshida Bertrand Tadic Romeu Davis Boufal Long Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 McCarthy Cedric Stephens Yoshida Bertrand Tadic Romeu Davis Boufal Long Austin Are you mental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 McCarthy Cedric Stephens Yoshida Bertrand Tadic Romeu Davis Boufal Long Austin !!!!! Are you looking for us to concede double figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefScummer Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 I'm trying to stay positive for this one. Draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 I just cannot see us scoring. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 nailed on defeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 Probably a free hit this one and the next one. Only straws are Conte exiting and Arsenals Europa League. Two up front without Tadic and Redmond might work. Maybe 3-5-2 as Aubameyang is a short arse and it allows us to get shot of Cedric and Bertrand and bring in Yoshi. Romeu, Lemina and JWP in the middle. Sims and Boufal wide. Long and Austin up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 Probably a free hit this one and the next one. Only straws are Conte exiting and Arsenals Europa League. Two up front with Tadic and Redmond might work. Maybe 3-5-2 as Aubameyang is a short arse and it allows us to get shot of Cedric and Bertrand and bring in Yoshi. Romeu, Lemina and JWP in the middle. Sims and Boufal wide. Long and Austin up top. Make that 13 players for us? Still lose :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 McCarthy Cedric. Stephens yoshida Bertrand Romeau lemina Boufal tadic sims Gabbi Even though tempting to go with the legs of long on the break I still think gabbi is our best striker provided he gets the right service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 2 April, 2018 Share Posted 2 April, 2018 First things first, let's just see if we can go the first 15 minutes without conceding. We were dead in both Newcastle and West Ham 'must win' games within that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRAGONZ_RULE Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 3-5-2 McCarthy Stephens Yoshida Hoedt JWP Hojbjerg Romeu Bertrand Lemina Austin Long Cedric doesn't work, bin. Tadic doesn't work, bin. Redmond is just...bin. Gabbiadini doesn't work, Arsenal is not the game for him. Long can run around and press their centre halves, Mustafi is prone to errors and so is Chambers (Koscielny will probably be rested for Europa League). The one thing in Saints' favour here is that Arsenal's players will care even less about the result of this game than Southampton's. Arsenal will probably rest players in preparation for Europa second leg, and play something like: Bellerin Mustafi Chambers Kolasinac Xhaka Elneny Ramsey Iwobi Lacazette Welbeck With Ozil, Aubameyang, Mkhitaryan and Wilshere kept on the bench (as well as Koscielny and Monreal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 Build up thread, Why bother, the players clearly don`t, Arse to win 4-0. After another gutless/spineless/leaderless shower from the "players" wearing a saints kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 (edited) ----------------McCarthy------------------- Pied ---- Yoshida ---- Hoedt ---- Bertrand --------Lemina-Romeu-Davis----------- JWP------------------------------Redmond -------------------Long--------------------- Edited 3 April, 2018 by Saint Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 Probably a free hit this one and the next one. Only straws are Conte exiting and Arsenals Europa League. Two up front without Tadic and Redmond might work. Maybe 3-5-2 as Aubameyang is a short arse and it allows us to get shot of Cedric and Bertrand and bring in Yoshi. Romeu, Lemina and JWP in the middle. Sims and Boufal wide. Long and Austin up top. We don't have any free hits left. There's no way we should look at any games as a free hit now, we need as many points as we can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 At some point we need to attack the opposition. 4-3-3 for me, but with a narrow midfield supported by the full backs stepping up when we attack and the wings falling back into a 5 when we defend --------------------mccarthy-------------------- Cedric---stephens---yoshida---bertrand ----------------------romeu---------------------- -------------lemina--------davis------------- Redmond-------austin-------------sims Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 At some point we need to attack the opposition. 4-3-3 for me, but with a narrow midfield supported by the full backs stepping up when we attack and the wings falling back into a 5 when we defend --------------------mccarthy-------------------- Cedric---stephens---yoshida---bertrand ----------------------romeu---------------------- -------------lemina--------davis------------- Redmond-------austin-------------sims Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk Shame we can’t exchange the team like they do in Amercain football? Ten offensive players off (ha ha do we have any?) then ten defensive players on (ha ha we have **** all of them either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 Shame we can’t exchange the team like they do in Amercain football? Ten offensive players off (ha ha do we have any?) then ten defensive players on (ha ha we have **** all of them either)Lol. 2 teams of non-defending attackless wonders.... The Southampton way, we plod on [emoji3] Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 (edited) For what it's worth..... ---------------------- McCarthey --------------------------- ------- Stephens ----- Yoshida ------- Bertrand ---------- - JWP ----------- Davis -------- Romeu ------- McQueen - ---------- Sims --------------------------- Long ----------- ------------------------- Austin ----------------------------- Subs: Forster, Cedric, Hoedt + 4 of: Hojbjerg/Lemina/Redmond/Boufal/Tadic/Gabbi/Carillo Edited 3 April, 2018 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 For what it's worth..... ---------------------- McCarthey --------------------------- ------- Stephens ----- Yoshida ------- Bertrand ---------- - JWP ----------- Davis -------- Romeu ------- McQueen - ---------- Sims --------------------------- Long ----------- ------------------------- Austin ----------------------------- Subs: Forster, Cedric, Hoedt + 4 of: Hojbjerg/Lemina/Redmond/Boufal/Tadic/Gabbi/Carillo Would surely be the most expensive bench in Saints history, showing how bad the recruitment has been... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 Yoshida has to come back in Austin and Sims need to start together Apart from that, **** knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 The problem is that any team selection has to showcase our expensive mistakes in the hope of recovering some losses in the summer. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 Yoshida has to come back in Austin and Sims need to start together Apart from that, **** knows. Wouldn't be surprised if neither of these happen...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 We have had a couple of seasons of uncertain leadership by two people who had had no previous experience of management in the PL so inevitably had to make things up and adapt as they went along up a very steep learning curve in an unforgiving environment. It is understandable that players used to more settled arrangements and patterns of play would have been bewildered by some of the changes in formation and playing styles that they had been asked to adopt. In a sentence they have ended up "all at sea" and need now to be in effect re-educated into the routines and practices that they were more used to elsewhere and here under Koeman and Pochettino. It has affected every single one of our players and no wonder their confidence has been sapped. Hughes has an immense job on his hands re-buliding that confidence and self-belief in all his players not just a favoured few. It is not just a simple case of picking those who are "up for the fight" as many on here see it. Of course a few will be mightily ****ed off with their individual treatment over two years and maybe want nothing more than to be out of this bloody madhouse (and I don't blame them for that) but most will still have an inner determination to get themselves back up to firing on all cylinders but it needs to be nurtured back into life and it can't happen over-night. It is simply daft to point at individual players when the collective team effort has failed so miserably. Hughes has to set aside petty prejudices and gut feelings about individuals and do his best to restore them all to their highest level of capabilities and pick his best team for playing football not up for the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 —————————-McCarthey————————— ———Stephens ——Yoshida———Bertrand JWP———PEH——-OR———Lemina ————-McQueen ———————————-Sims————————————— ———————————Long—————————————- Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 —————————-McCarthey————————— ———Stephens ——Yoshida———Bertrand JWP———PEH——-OR———Lemina ————-McQueen ———————————-Sims————————————— ———————————Long—————————————- Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Yes, I think you have picked the team I would go for too. 5 at the back when defending, but WP and McQ have the pace and drive to get forward to support attacks. Long to run them to exhaustion, Sims to be the potent threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 Yes, I think you have picked the team I would go for too. 5 at the back when defending, but WP and McQ have the pace and drive to get forward to support attacks. Long to run them to exhaustion, Sims to be the potent threat. JWP is probably the slowest player in our team. He's certainly not going to bomb forward and beat his man Think he'd probably do alright at WB though, give us the option to hit an early cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 3 April, 2018 Share Posted 3 April, 2018 Your team pick was garbage mate sorry. If you stop Tadic fine, but not for mcqueen... Sims should be in there. I would certainly drop Lemina. He is utter garbage, flatters to deceive about as much as Boufal but gets away from it more because he is less audacious. I would play: .....................Macca...................... Pied Yoshida Stephens Bertrand .................PEH...Romeu................ Redmond.......JWP................Sims ......................Gabba....................... Really don't think it's complicated for the manager (whoever it is). Stop putting square pegs in round holes. Pick a fast possession team with players who want to run and carry the ball. Play in the opposition half, defend with everyone when we need to and then break fast (I can't remember the last time we counter attacked effectively... then use a lethal finisher with good movement, JWP for set prices... and a midfield 3 that don't **** around but just get and cycle the ball out to the runners whisky shielding the back (I.e. not what show ponies like Boufal/Tadic/Lemina do)! Winning football games isn't that hard, just get an effective and simple strat and stick to it FFS. Saints don't have big physical players, what we have is technical players who run with the ball and can keep it. Just fecking let them do that in the 3rd that matters FFS. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk Agree we are not a 442 team .......we havent got athletic powerhouses......We are a passing and tecnical team ....need to go with 4 3 3 ..Shane long up front with Boufal and Sims either side Prowse Romeu PEH........ Yoshida in for Hoedt or Stephens who both been **** ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 We have had a couple of seasons of uncertain leadership by two people who had had no previous experience of management in the PL so inevitably had to make things up and adapt as they went along up a very steep learning curve in an unforgiving environment. It is understandable that players used to more settled arrangements and patterns of play would have been bewildered by some of the changes in formation and playing styles that they had been asked to adopt. In a sentence they have ended up "all at sea" and need now to be in effect re-educated into the routines and practices that they were more used to elsewhere and here under Koeman and Pochettino. It has affected every single one of our players and no wonder their confidence has been sapped. Hughes has an immense job on his hands re-buliding that confidence and self-belief in all his players not just a favoured few. It is not just a simple case of picking those who are "up for the fight" as many on here see it. Of course a few will be mightily ****ed off with their individual treatment over two years and maybe want nothing more than to be out of this bloody madhouse (and I don't blame them for that) but most will still have an inner determination to get themselves back up to firing on all cylinders but it needs to be nurtured back into life and it can't happen over-night. It is simply daft to point at individual players when the collective team effort has failed so miserably. Hughes has to set aside petty prejudices and gut feelings about individuals and do his best to restore them all to their highest level of capabilities and pick his best team for playing football not up for the fight. I said years ago that we were on a gradual downwards lope and I was right to say this when it was unfashionable and unpopular. I agree with what the poster says. The upswing will come about, but it will take years. If we get relegated I predict 10th next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 I think Yoshi, Oriel and JWP have to come back in. Perhaps Davis too. We need experience and the older guard seem to care a bit more than the younger mercenaries. Have always liked McQueen's application too, and can't stand Tadic or Redmond's lily-livered barely care attitude. Gabbi's head has gone months ago, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 —————————-McCarthey————————— ———Stephens ——Yoshida———Bertrand JWP———PEH——-OR———Lemina ————-McQueen ———————————-Sims————————————— ———————————Long—————————————- Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I can see your logic with this line up but sadly can't see any goals ! Mind you, a goalless draw would be a result for sure ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Bloggs Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 I think Yoshi, Oriel and JWP have to come back in. Perhaps Davis too. We need experience and the older guard seem to care a bit more than the younger mercenaries. Have always liked McQueen's application too, and can't stand Tadic or Redmond's lily-livered barely care attitude. Gabbi's head has gone months ago, sadly. Agree with all this. I can't understand why Yoshi ,in particular, isn't being selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 Agree with all this. I can't understand why Yoshi ,in particular, isn't being selected.He has been injured. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 He has been injured. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Yes, but he has been available for selection for a while now. He's clearly our most experienced and most reliable defender, so it's criminal that he hasn't come back in to the starting 11 yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 Forster Cedric Yoshi Hoedt Bertrand JWP Romeu Lemina Sims Austin Long Forster? Yeah, just a feeling. Need more fight and people who seem to give a ****, need set piece threat. Yoshi, Romeu, JWP, Long and Sims need to be playing for me. Yes Long has been poor in front of goal but we need to work hard to have a chance the rest of the season and shouldn't reward the half arsed displays of some others. Plus, Long working hard to make room for Austin sounds good to me. Sims and Long around him provide plenty of pace. Not a bad shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 Yes, but he has been available for selection for a while now. He's clearly our most experienced and most reliable defender, so it's criminal that he hasn't come back in to the starting 11 yet. It's criminal that he's become our most experienced and reliable defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 It's criminal that he's become our most experienced and reliable defender. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 Yoshida's decent enough at this level. But, for a club that finished 6th only two seasons ago (!!!), 'decent' just doesn't cut it. Presumably we bought Hoedt in the hope that he would develop into the VVD type, and he's still young enough to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 Got a good feeling about this one, after last week I think Hughes will get a response and we'll nick a draw. Our biggest weakness is the long ball / cross in between out full back and CB's (Cedric and Stephens in particular), I don't think Arsenal will play that way. McCarthy Cedric Yoshida Hoedt Bertrand Lemina Romeu Sims Davis (if fit) or JWP Boufal Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 Got a good feeling about this one, after last week I think Hughes will get a response and we'll nick a draw. Our biggest weakness is the long ball / cross in between out full back and CB's (Cedric and Stephens in particular), I don't think Arsenal will play that way. McCarthy Cedric Yoshida Hoedt Bertrand Lemina Romeu Sims Davis (if fit) or JWP Boufal Austin I'd go for that line up too . Much will depend on not conceding early and getting the right service to Austin though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 McCarthy Cedric (or Pied) Stephens Yoshida McQueen Romeu JWP Lemina Davis Sims Austin Subs Taylor Pied/Cedric Hoedt Bertrand Hojbjerg Gabbi Long Hopefully Tadic, Boufal and Redmond not even on the bench. Might even consider Bednarek on the bench instead of the awful Hoedt. Lemina to push forward more, Romeu to provide the DM anchor role (and try to avoid getting a yellow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 As its a Sunday kick off I hope the Saints posers have prayed hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 A win away to Arsenal and we’d be back in with a chance. WHAT? Win away to Arsenal?? Far more likely that we won’t win another game this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 4 April, 2018 Share Posted 4 April, 2018 Puel taught us how to play Arsenal 4-1-4-1 Cedric Maya Hoedt Bertrand Romeu Hojbjerg Lemina JWP Redmond Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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