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Given the realisation generally now that the policy of selling our best players and buying lower quality has led us to this point..is it time to actually admit that the "fat cats" at the top of our organisation - those who many believe are beyond blame and should be commended for what they gave us the last few years- were actually dismantling the club bit by bit and then sold up at the perfect time.

IMO we owe Kat nothing, she was nothing other than an owner making a buck out of our pockets. IMO she should be recorded in history as a villain not a hero....

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Kat had no prior connection to the club, neither did her father. Southampton FC were an investment opportunity that served them, particularly her, well. Nothing villainous in her activities with her money.
Apart from who we have been sold to
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Kat had no prior connection to the club, neither did her father. Southampton FC were an investment opportunity that served them, particularly her, well. Nothing villainous in her activities with her money.
All very true. But right now some need a scapegoat to vent our spleens on, so she'll do.

 

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That's your realisation, not fact and not everyone's opinion.

 

Buying and selling was exactly what got us to 6th. The 'if we kept X, Y, Z we'd have had this team' is bull**** football manager fan logic with no basis in the financial reality of football clubs.

 

I have no clue who our owner is now or what they do, but she sold the club in a healthy state with years of relative success and a very expensive squad left. Any reasonable manager would have had it top half. It's not some impossible holy grail needed supreme quality. It's half a league of try hard cloggers at the moment.

 

Reed's appointment was pathetic. Reed's failure to sack him was worse.

 

Should be a lesson to a lot of clubs. Model success can turn to relegation very quickly. You're one bad manager away. Same for Burnley. Amazing season, ok squad but Dyche goes, one bad appointment and they could be in trouble.

 

But all we'll get is 'they sold players' so went down. It's the lazy pundit view with no insight who hasn't actually watched events here closely or given it any thought. It's the lazy fans view and the forgetful fans view. We sold and reinvested well, it made us better than all the other non-top 6 clubs for a while. It got us better players than any of the others, it got us players top clubs wanted and needed. Without that system, we don't sign half of them. Likewise, put your foot down and keep VVD, Bertrand, Cedric, and they turn to absolute ****e and get you relegated.

 

Overall, I'd have to say I'd have taken 6 years of top flight and the 8th/7th/6th run of excellent football and great players, with beating Inter in Europe and some decent cup games. I'd hoped we'd stay up over a decade and grow consistently but we've been incredibly lucky overall.

that is the attitude that Les and co love. Thankful for having to pay top whack so that they can sell any star we get.

As for Kat and Marcus, it strikes me they are not from the same cloth.

I remember being in a corporate box and Marcus standing in the corridor by himself watching the fans being happy. He would stand there leaning on his stick lapping up the joy he was giving us. Kat I think was too busy licking the plate to come out and see

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She's sold us to an absolute chancer who would fail the fit and proper persons test if he tried to buy any club in the Premier League now.

 

I do believe the Premier League looked very carefully at GAO and his businesses. I believe that it took sometime e to do the deal because of his dubious business dealings but pressed on, he was eventually given the green light.

 

I think, all, our chickens have co e home to roost. Under investment and bad choice since certain people left the club. I have never seen the like since Lowe was at the club. We had backbone then and protested, should do again.

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That's your realisation, not fact and not everyone's opinion.

 

Buying and selling was exactly what got us to 6th. The 'if we kept X, Y, Z we'd have had this team' is bull**** football manager fan logic with no basis in the financial reality of football clubs.

 

I have no clue who our owner is now or what they do, but she sold the club in a healthy state with years of relative success and a very expensive squad left. Any reasonable manager would have had it top half. It's not some impossible holy grail needed supreme quality. It's half a league of try hard cloggers at the moment.

 

Reed's appointment was pathetic. Reed's failure to sack him was worse.

 

Should be a lesson to a lot of clubs. Model success can turn to relegation very quickly. You're one bad manager away. Same for Burnley. Amazing season, ok squad but Dyche goes, one bad appointment and they could be in trouble.

 

But all we'll get is 'they sold players' so went down. It's the lazy pundit view with no insight who hasn't actually watched events here closely or given it any thought. It's the lazy fans view and the forgetful fans view. We sold and reinvested well, it made us better than all the other non-top 6 clubs for a while. It got us better players than any of the others, it got us players top clubs wanted and needed. Without that system, we don't sign half of them. Likewise, put your foot down and keep VVD, Bertrand, Cedric, and they turn to absolute ****e and get you relegated.

 

Overall, I'd have to say I'd have taken 6 years of top flight and the 8th/7th/6th run of excellent football and great players, with beating Inter in Europe and some decent cup games. I'd hoped we'd stay up over a decade and grow consistently but we've been incredibly lucky overall.

 

Well said mate, like any of these decent players wanted to stay. There's a lot of things wrong but to say we should have kept all the players is folly, we kept VVD, that worked out well. We kept Spiderman but on the promise of him leaving. They don't want to stay and eventually we'll get found out by buying players that are not good enough to fill their boots. Like you said, it could have been a much worse six years and arguably could have been better, glad I wa thee in Milan and Prague and Wembley as well as seeing us win at pretty much every ground.

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Personally I think her father bought the club as something fun to do in his retirement with all the money he'd made. I do think given the free reign NC was given, that he was prepared to fund an attempt on making us more than just a mid table prem team. Would we ever have been top four/six? In all likelihood no, but it was great to have an owner that seemed willing to try and it was nothing if not exciting, something us Saints fans hadn't had much of over the last two or three decades. Markus' untimely death put paid to all that. Kat never asked for a football club as part of her inheritance and I'd imagine she's wanted rid ever since so that she can spend her money as she see's fit. I don't blame her for that and I don't think she's been maliciously asset stripping, I can't see that she would have wanted to tarnish her father's name like that. However I do think that she's probably been frustrated in finding a buyer that was willing to pay what she wants, hence who we've ended up with. So yes I do hold her partly to blame, but I don't think she set out to ruin us

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Mullet, I agree with you that it was bought as a "toy" but.....with more than half an eye on it being an investment. With the stadium/infrastructure in place, a bit of nurturing of the investment, it was a bit of a steal. OK, TV deals weren't finalised, and there was no guarantee of getting out of the Champ, but t worked out well for Kat. And boy, she timed her exit well, so fair does to her there. I did say this all some months/years ago, and was basically told not to be so ungrateful and all sorts of bol.locks about ML's legacy. I said then that his legacy was to his daughter not us Saints's supporters.

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Personally I think her father bought the club as something fun to do in his retirement with all the money he'd made. I do think given the free reign NC was given, that he was prepared to fund an attempt on making us more than just a mid table prem team. Would we ever have been top four/six? In all likelihood no, but it was great to have an owner that seemed willing to try and it was nothing if not exciting, something us Saints fans hadn't had much of over the last two or three decades. Markus' untimely death put paid to all that. Kat never asked for a football club as part of her inheritance and I'd imagine she's wanted rid ever since so that she can spend her money as she see's fit. I don't blame her for that and I don't think she's been maliciously asset stripping, I can't see that she would have wanted to tarnish her father's name like that. However I do think that she's probably been frustrated in finding a buyer that was willing to pay what she wants, hence who we've ended up with. So yes I do hold her partly to blame, but I don't think she set out to ruin us

 

Succinct and spot on.

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I think some of you infer ML's intentions were purely financial gain when he bought us (as if any of you know) in order to somehow excuse the fact KL sold us down the river for maximum gain to someone who is totally unsuited.

 

Exactly how much effort has Gao made to connect with the club and its fan base ? Almost NOTHING. There is something else behind his purchase which we find out sometime in the near future.

 

If MLs intentions were purely financial gain, why did he indulge Cortese so much ? To suggest he didnt know what NC was spending or intended to spend, and that the top-4 statements of intent were nonsense, is utter b*ll*cks.

 

For what its worth, I think if ML had not passed away, we would have played Champions League by now and wouldnt be staring down a gun barrel. Even from the rareified atmosphere of Austria, I could tell there was a real energy and dynamism around the club with them two at the helm.

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We wouldn't be in this mess if the clown had been sacked after the Leicester debacle, and someone competent like Nigel Person had been brought in (along with a striker who knows how to score, should've been last summer, but at least in January). So the blame goes to Reed and Co.

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I think the key to the decline was when Poch left and advised talented players to take their chance with a big club if they wanted to ever play in europe . Kat then decided to sell hence cheap replacements that didn't measure up , unfortunately Gao is not the answer . Now he is only in it for the money so at this moment the future is bleak , even bleaker than brexit ...........

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She’s flogged us to the highest bidder with little or no concern over the club’s future. As owner of the business that is her right but it doesn’t stop her from being a greedy fat ****. It’s not like she’s short of cash, or had to do a days work in her life - it wouldn’t have killed her to be a bit more responsible about who she handed the keys over to.

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I think some of you infer ML's intentions were purely financial gain when he bought us (as if any of you know) in order to somehow excuse the fact KL sold us down the river for maximum gain to someone who is totally unsuited.

 

Exactly how much effort has Gao made to connect with the club and its fan base ? Almost NOTHING. There is something else behind his purchase which we find out sometime in the near future.

 

If MLs intentions were purely financial gain, why did he indulge Cortese so much ? To suggest he didnt know what NC was spending or intended to spend, and that the top-4 statements of intent were nonsense, is utter b*ll*cks.

 

For what its worth, I think if ML had not passed away, we would have played Champions League by now and wouldnt be staring down a gun barrel. Even from the rareified atmosphere of Austria, I could tell there was a real energy and dynamism around the club with them two at the helm.

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She’s flogged us to the highest bidder with little or no concern over the club’s future. As owner of the business that is her right but it doesn’t stop her from being a greedy fat ****. It’s not like she’s short of cash, or had to do a days work in her life - it wouldn’t have killed her to be a bit more responsible about who she handed the keys over to.

 

How do you know she wasn't short of cash? It's all always been so opaque that no-one outside the immediate circle can possibly know.

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She’s flogged us to the highest bidder with little or no concern over the club’s future. As owner of the business that is her right but it doesn’t stop her from being a greedy fat ****. It’s not like she’s short of cash, or had to do a days work in her life - it wouldn’t have killed her to be a bit more responsible about who she handed the keys over to.

 

And she kept 20%. Let’s not pretend she has done that for the clubs (our) benefit!

 

The whole saga of ownership this season has been a huge distraction for those above the manager. No doubt that played a part in not selling VvD in the summer, despite what Ralph says to spin it!

 

She has sold us to some freak who has a disgraceful history. This is Pompey level shyt!!!

 

I think we will struggle next season in the championship, let alone when the parachute payments stop!

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I think the key to the decline was when Poch left and advised talented players to take their chance with a big club if they wanted to ever play in europe . Kat then decided to sell hence cheap replacements that didn't measure up , unfortunately Gao is not the answer ...

 

So despite finishing higher or as high for 3 seasons, despite going further in both cups, despite European qualification twice, players like Mane, VvD, Pelle, Toby, Tadic, didn’t “ measure up”. To have got these cheap replacements to the same position as Poch and a cup final, Claude must be some manager. What Ronald Koeman did with these must have been genius. I know you remoaners like to make up your own facts, but that’s just a ridiculous post.

 

 

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The points you overlooked was "key to the decline" ie the start of the decline and "Kat decided to sell" meaning financial considerations overrode decisions on signings .

I watched Koeman salute the Northiam at the end of the season and thought he would be staying and keep us top half but it hasn't worked out like that .

As for Brexit I thought remaining would be the lesser of two evils but "make up your own facts" is the worst case of pot and kettle in the history of the last 2000 years.

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The problems over the last couple of seasons have been due to decisions by the footballing people. You could say she is ultimately in charge of hiring and firing those, which she is, but frankly why would she be expected to have a clue about that? She never went out looking to own a football club.

 

She may have passed the club over to bad owners but I'd say it's too early to tell.

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I think the key to the decline was when Poch left and advised talented players to take their chance with a big club if they wanted to ever play in europe . Kat then decided to sell hence cheap replacements that didn't measure up , unfortunately Gao is not the answer . Now he is only in it for the money so at this moment the future is bleak , even bleaker than brexit ...........

 

Momentum curve..... Was always going to end in disaster with Leslie n Kat

 

It's just happened quicker than even I expected

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It had to crumble at some point. Selling all our best players and not replacing them is just not sustainable. Eventually, the well is going to dry up and you have to start spending more money to stay competitive. Yes, I believe she has to take some criticism, but they all do. The whole bloody lot of them.

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Momentum curve..... Was always going to end in disaster with Leslie n Kat

 

It's just happened quicker than even I expected

You expected it to end badly, you surprise me.

 

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