Saint-Armstrong Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 (edited) So because I got bored and wanted to know for myself, I looked into the facts behind Hughes' time as a club manager in terms of performance. Hopefully you find it interesting and it might dispel some myths floating about... (like he always gets sacked for being in a relegation battle?!) MARK HUGHES: SEASON-BY-SEASON BLACKBURN ROVERS 2004/05 Premier League: - 42 points and finished 15th (remit was to stay up) - Nine points above the drop zone, 13 points off of Europe Cups: - Reached the FA Cup semi-final before losing to eventual winners Arsenal - Eliminated in League Cup second round by Bournemouth, on penalties 2005/06 Premier League: - 63 points and finished 6th (same points total as when Koeman got us to 6th) - Secured UEFA Cup qualification Cups: - Knocked out at the fourth round of the FA Cup by West Ham - Reached the League Cup semi-final before losing to eventual winners Manchester United 2006/07 Premier League: - 52 points and finished 10th - Four points off of a second consecutive season of Europe and 14 points clear of relegation Cups: - Progressed through qualifying by beating Salzburg, making it to the group stage of the UEFA Cup - Won their group ahead of Basel, Feyenoord, Nancy and Wisla Krakow - Went unbeaten in the group stage - Eliminated by Bayer Levekusen after losing 3-2 on aggregate (3-2 away, 0-0 home) - Lost in FA Cup semi-final to eventual winners Chelsea - Lost in League Cup third round to eventual winners Chelsea 2007/08 Premier League: - 58 points and finished 7th - Just two points behind sixth-placed Aston Villa - Missed out on UEFA Cup due to Portsmouth’s FA Cup win Cups: - Returned to UEFA Cup, courtesy of coming through the Intertoto Cup - Progressed through UEFA Cup qualifying - Lost to Larissa in knockout round one (3-2 on aggregate) - Lost in FA Cup third round to Coventry - Lost in League Cup quarter-final to Arsenal (3-2 AET) --- NEW CLUB: POACHED BY MANCHESTER CITY --- 2008/09 Premier League: - 50 points and finished 10th - Three points away from European qualification - Best goal difference outside the top five Cups: - Topped his UEFA Cup group again (PSG, Schalke, Twente, Santander) - Progressed to quarter-final stage before losing 4-3 on aggregate (won 2-1 at home, but lost 3-1 away in the first leg) - Lost in FA Cup third round to Nottingham Forest - Lost in League Cup second round to Brighton (penalties) 2009/10 Premier League: - Sacked in December 2009 with the team in 6th place Cups: - Had qualified the team for the League Cup semi-finals before leaving, beating Arsenal in the quarters - Did not last long enough to oversee the FA Cup run that season --- NEW CLUB: RETURNS TO MANAGEMENT WITH FULHAM --- 2010/11 Premier League: - 49 points and finishes 8th - Qualifies for the Europa League Cups: - Eliminated in fifth round of FA Cup by Bolton Wanderers - Eliminated in third round of League Cup by Stoke City --- RESIGNS FROM FULHAM AFTER FALLING OUT WITH MOHAMED AL-FAYED --- NEW CLUB: JOINS QPR IN JANUARY 2012 --- 2011/12 Premier League: - Takes over with QPR in 17th and finishes 17th with 37 points - Only one point clear of relegation Cups: - Won in FA Cup third round, lost in FA Cup fourth round to eventual winners Chelsea - Club eliminated from League Cup prior to his arrival 2012/13 Premier League: - Sacked in November 2012 with team bottom of the table - Harry Redknapp comes in, team still finishes in 20th Cups: - Was dismissed before FA Cup draw was made - Won in League Cup second round before losing to Reading in round three (3-2) --- NEW CLUB: RETURNS TO MANAGEMENT WITH STOKE CITY --- 2013/14 Premier League: - 50 points and finished ninth - Six points behind Mauricio Pochettino and Saints - 17 points clear of the drop Cups: - Eliminated in FA Cup fourth round by Chelsea (1-0 loss) - Eliminated in quarter-finals by Manchester United 2014/15 Premier League: - 54 points and finished ninth - Four point improvement on previous season - Six points behind Ronald Koeman in his first season - 19 points clear of the drop Cups: - Eliminated in FA Cup fifth round by Blackburn Rovers - Eliminated in League Cup fourth round by Southampton (3-2 home loss) 2015/16 Premier League: - 51 points and finished ninth for third straight season - Slump of three points compared to the previous season - 11 points off Europe - 14 points above the drop Cups: - Eliminated in FA Cup fourth round by Crystal Palace (1-0) - Made it to League Cup semi-final before losing to Liverpool (penalties) 2016/17 Premier League: - 44 points and 13th place - three points would’ve seen him finish above Puel’s Saints and come 8th - 17 points away from Europe - 10 points clear of the drop Cups: - Eliminated in FA Cup third round by Wolves - Won in second round, but eliminated in League Cup third round by Hull City Tl;dr... Blackburn: 15th, 6th, 10th, 7th Man City: 10th, 6th (didn't finish season) Fulham: 8th QPR: 17th, 20th (didn’t finish season - club went down despite binning him in November) Stoke: 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th (three points off 8th) + Some good cup runs. Edited 15 March, 2018 by Saint-Armstrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 So 8 top ten premier league finishes in 11 full seasons. But some people think he's not good enough for Saints? Welcome back, Sparky. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 There is two schools of thought now: Recent managers have been unlucky with **** players who have for several seasons they been massively overrated or very gifted players with a lot of potential have been woefully mismanaged. If the latter is the case Mark would be feeling quite confident and makes me think it is why he accepted the job on such a short term basis in the first place... At least this is what I want to believe... and I am very cynical in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 I was already feeling good about his appointment but that record is even better than i had anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Interesting, better record than I'd remembered. Blackburn particularly impressive, although he still had a fantastic playing career fresh in the players memories, not sure that applies now. Seems to have been around forever, but is still quite young. The question for me is does he still have that burning desire , does it still eat him up inside . Does he still feel he needs to prove himself , if so, he could do a better job than most people think. Here's hoping. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Impressive work OP, We are lucky to get Hughesy with 8 games left. If we go down it will be the boards fault not our temp managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 That is an impressive record. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 (edited) Have been referencing this for the whole time he's been linked with us. Just a few people on here obsessing about his time at QPR and ignoring everything else he has ever done. His biggest mistake was staying at Stoke too long - if he's have quit after three years his reputation would be preserved. A manager with a nice sexy foreign name with a record identical to this in, say, Spain and the same people would be in rapture. Edited 15 March, 2018 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Not Interested. Its what he does over the next 8-11 games that counts for me. This analysis is a waste of time. He is the best, nay ONLY quickly-available candidate even remotely suitable for the predicament we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Post of 2018 so far. Why not get the facts right instead o believing on the bull**** on Twitter and all the other made up sources people love to believe! Well done that man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 A club on the decline appoints a manager on the decline......who is saving who here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 I welcome Mark Hughes under the circumstances and we now have a fighting chance, but I remain concerned that although our players have enough talent many of them have shown a worrying lack of fight. Can that be instilled? Soon find out I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Hmmmm something fishy here Heisenburg - (Glasgow) - Alpine they are one and the same person. Posting within minutes "of each other" and posting the same with re arranged words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Have been referencing this for the whole time he's been linked with us. Just a few people on here obsessing about his time at QPR and ignoring everything else he has ever done. His biggest mistake was staying at Stoke too long - if he's have quit after three years his reputation would be preserved. A manager with a nice sexy foreign name with a record identical to this in, say, Spain and the same people would be in rapture. Can't disagree with this. TBH I was unaware of his record being as good as that, and maybe I too am guilty of looking at QPR too much. But doing that, and just looking at poor finishing positions, doesn't take into account what is going on in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Good thread. If he had a record like that in La Liga with teams like Osasuna, Granada, Celta Vigo, Espanyol and Real Sociadad people would be creaming themselves (or at least wouldn't be so disappointed). For some reason, some on here see extensive Premier League experience, albeit with "un-fashionable clubs" as being a negative. I am by no means saying he is the best mamager around, but he is a solid choice for our level and has my complete backing for this season, and beyond if successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 It's a very decent record, I get the feeling that things went a bit stale at Stoke and wasn't QPR under Flavio Briatore\Bernie Ecclestone\Tony Fernandez a bit of basket case club around the time he was there? I think because he's been around a while and is not a shiny new manager + he has inevitably got one or two blemishes in his CV that fans have a downer on him but when you look at his complete stats he's been a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Great post. He needs a cup on on that CV to make it look better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Its some interesting stats there, thanks for posting! Win ratio Last 3 jobs (8 years) Fulham - 32% QPR - 23% Stoke 35% 277 games, 93 wins, 70 draws, 114 losses. 33% win ratio, 41% loss ratio. Assuming that bounces over to our 8 games we should win 2 games, draw 4 and lose 2. 10 points. 38 points total. Will be close but I think that will be enough to stay up this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Very informative - thanks for posting. Even more pleased with this appointment now. That record is very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 So in short, he is a decent manager and some of our fans are delusional to say he isn't good enough for saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc6mufc3 Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Nice post to be fair and an interesting look at Sparky's record. I feel, like a lot have said on here, that ok he isn't a name to bowl us over but we have to be realistic. It's so late in the season who were we going to get at this stage?? We've missed a bullet and avoided Giggs, Pardew, Bruce, Pullis, Redknapp and it's only until the end of the season. I'd have preferred Silva, or others BUT his record is ok on the whole and I'm sure we would have taken him over MoPe in the summer. He knows the league and can hopefully make a difference. I do wonder why it went so wrong this season for him at Stoke? It's not like the bottom teams are amazingly good and Stoke (like us) shouldn't be down there with their squad in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Sounds like he has a better record and pedigree than Silva then. Still not sure why Silva was such a popular option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 I don't think the point was about his past record - the point is about his record with teams with their Backs to the Wall - the last two jobs where he's been involved in a relegation fight he's been sacked both times - he was unable to turn them around. The overall record is not an issue, and to a certain degree is irrelevant. The important thing is how he can rejuvenate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 I don't think the point was about his past record - the point is about his record with teams with their Backs to the Wall - the last two jobs where he's been involved in a relegation fight he's been sacked both times - he was unable to turn them around. The overall record is not an issue, and to a certain degree is irrelevant. The important thing is how he can rejuvenate us.Tbf he's never been in a situation like this before and neither have we. Of we are honest there really isn't much of an indication of what is going to happen now- I don't know about anyone else but that's exciting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Have been referencing this for the whole time he's been linked with us. Just a few people on here obsessing about his time at QPR and ignoring everything else he has ever done. His biggest mistake was staying at Stoke too long - if he's have quit after three years his reputation would be preserved. A manager with a nice sexy foreign name with a record identical to this in, say, Spain and the same people would be in rapture. Marko Hugheez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Tbf he's never been in a situation like this before and neither have we. Of we are honest there really isn't much of an indication of what is going to happen now- I don't know about anyone else but that's exciting to me. It is a new situation - we've got to hope the new Manager bounce is good. What an utter **** Reed has been to wait until now to make this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Sounds like he has a better record and pedigree than Silva then. Still not sure why Silva was such a popular option. Foreign. Like why we have to go abroad to sign players rather than look down the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 I’m more than happy he’s here and most importantly he’s got 3 weeks before West Ham to get his ideas across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 It is a new situation - we've got to hope the new Manager bounce is good. What an utter **** Reed has been to wait until now to make this change. Agree that the timing was utter pony. This year's PL games that we should or could have won....Palace (lost), Watford (drew), Brighton (drew), WBA (won), Burnley (drew), Stoke (drew), Newcastle (lost). So out of a possible 21 points, we get 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 It is a new situation - we've got to hope the new Manager bounce is good. What an utter **** Reed has been to wait until now to make this change.Well we can all agree about that. I'm just thankful that I have a few games to be interested in saints again. Having the same thing happen every single game all season has been beyond depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Have to say I was pretty unimpressed with him, but that record looks a lot better than I thought and was always happy to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 (edited) Sounds like he has a better record and pedigree than Silva then. Still not sure why Silva was such a popular option. Silva took a middling second division Portuguese team that hadn't been in the top flight for 7 years, got them promoted in his first season, got them to the Europa league in their first season back in the top league, with their highest ever finish of 5th, then got them to 4th the next season. Left for Sporting where he finished third and won their domestic Cup, the first piece of Silverware for several years. Went to Olympiakos and won the league. Then went to Hull where he dramatically improved a pretty much already down Hull team, before moving to Watford getting them their best ever start to a season (including a convincing 2-0 over us at St Mary's) but fell out with board cos he wanted to jump ship to Everton and take players with him. Silva's pedigree is pretty damn strong, hence why he is so highly rated, you could question his loyalty and how quickly he lost focus after getting his head turned at Watford and that has certainly harmed his reputation but his pedigree and record is superior to Hughes. I mean he has actually won trophies and has shown he can get clubs to over perform. ----------------------------- To be fair OP you should also put his Wales record up there, I don't rate the guy but he did decently with Wales and Coleman's success was largely off the back of the progress Hughes made. And his record at Blackburn is pretty decent, so whilst I don't rate him seeing this has given me a little more hope. Edited 15 March, 2018 by tajjuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 So because I got bored and wanted to know for myself, I looked into the facts behind Hughes' time as a club manager in terms of performance. Hopefully you find it interesting and it might dispel some myths floating about... (like he always gets sacked for being in a relegation battle?!) MARK HUGHES: SEASON-BY-SEASON BLACKBURN ROVERS 2004/05 Premier League: - 42 points and finished 15th (remit was to stay up) - Nine points above the drop zone, 13 points off of Europe Cups: - Reached the FA Cup semi-final before losing to eventual winners Arsenal - Eliminated in League Cup second round by Bournemouth, on penalties 2005/06 Premier League: - 63 points and finished 6th (same points total as when Koeman got us to 6th) - Secured UEFA Cup qualification Cups: - Knocked out at the fourth round of the FA Cup by West Ham - Reached the League Cup semi-final before losing to eventual winners Manchester United 2006/07 Premier League: - 52 points and finished 10th - Four points off of a second consecutive season of Europe and 14 points clear of relegation Cups: - Progressed through qualifying by beating Salzburg, making it to the group stage of the UEFA Cup - Won their group ahead of Basel, Feyenoord, Nancy and Wisla Krakow - Went unbeaten in the group stage - Eliminated by Bayer Levekusen after losing 3-2 on aggregate (3-2 away, 0-0 home) - Lost in FA Cup semi-final to eventual winners Chelsea - Lost in League Cup third round to eventual winners Chelsea 2007/08 Premier League: - 58 points and finished 7th - Just two points behind sixth-placed Aston Villa - Missed out on UEFA Cup due to Portsmouth’s FA Cup win Cups: - Returned to UEFA Cup, courtesy of coming through the Intertoto Cup - Progressed through UEFA Cup qualifying - Lost to Larissa in knockout round one (3-2 on aggregate) - Lost in FA Cup third round to Coventry - Lost in League Cup quarter-final to Arsenal (3-2 AET) --- NEW CLUB: POACHED BY MANCHESTER CITY --- 2008/09 Premier League: - 50 points and finished 10th - Three points away from European qualification - Best goal difference outside the top five Cups: - Topped his UEFA Cup group again (PSG, Schalke, Twente, Santander) - Progressed to quarter-final stage before losing 4-3 on aggregate (won 2-1 at home, but lost 3-1 away in the first leg) - Lost in FA Cup third round to Nottingham Forest - Lost in League Cup second round to Brighton (penalties) 2009/10 Premier League: - Sacked in December 2009 with the team in 6th place Cups: - Had qualified the team for the League Cup semi-finals before leaving, beating Arsenal in the quarters - Did not last long enough to oversee the FA Cup run that season --- NEW CLUB: RETURNS TO MANAGEMENT WITH FULHAM --- 2010/11 Premier League: - 49 points and finishes 8th - Qualifies for the Europa League Cups: - Eliminated in fifth round of FA Cup by Bolton Wanderers - Eliminated in third round of League Cup by Stoke City --- RESIGNS FROM FULHAM AFTER FALLING OUT WITH MOHAMED AL-FAYED --- NEW CLUB: JOINS QPR IN JANUARY 2012 --- 2011/12 Premier League: - Takes over with QPR in 17th and finishes 17th with 37 points - Only one point clear of relegation Cups: - Won in FA Cup third round, lost in FA Cup fourth round to eventual winners Chelsea - Club eliminated from League Cup prior to his arrival 2012/13 Premier League: - Sacked in November 2012 with team bottom of the table - Harry Redknapp comes in, team still finishes in 20th Cups: - Was dismissed before FA Cup draw was made - Won in League Cup second round before losing to Reading in round three (3-2) --- NEW CLUB: RETURNS TO MANAGEMENT WITH STOKE CITY --- 2013/14 Premier League: - 50 points and finished ninth - Six points behind Mauricio Pochettino and Saints - 17 points clear of the drop Cups: - Eliminated in FA Cup fourth round by Chelsea (1-0 loss) - Eliminated in quarter-finals by Manchester United 2014/15 Premier League: - 54 points and finished ninth - Four point improvement on previous season - Six points behind Ronald Koeman in his first season - 19 points clear of the drop Cups: - Eliminated in FA Cup fifth round by Blackburn Rovers - Eliminated in League Cup fourth round by Southampton (3-2 home loss) 2015/16 Premier League: - 51 points and finished ninth for third straight season - Slump of three points compared to the previous season - 11 points off Europe - 14 points above the drop Cups: - Eliminated in FA Cup fourth round by Crystal Palace (1-0) - Made it to League Cup semi-final before losing to Liverpool (penalties) 2016/17 Premier League: - 44 points and 13th place - three points would’ve seen him finish above Puel’s Saints and come 8th - 17 points away from Europe - 10 points clear of the drop Cups: - Eliminated in FA Cup third round by Wolves - Won in second round, but eliminated in League Cup third round by Hull City Tl;dr... Blackburn: 15th, 6th, 10th, 7th Man City: 10th, 6th (didn't finish season) Fulham: 8th QPR: 17th, 20th (didn’t finish season - club went down despite binning him in November) Stoke: 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th (three points off 8th) + Some good cup runs. Cheers for this. I just can't believe we've waited this long to sack MoPo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 The way I see Hughes based on everything I have read is that he is one who has never had an instant impact whereever he has went, but usually after the initial 10 weeks he is someone when he gets his ideas across will give you a decent season- then eventually things turn stale. However longevity for a manager at the same club, those days are gone now, player power is too much now compared to the yesteryears, and as such owners need a constant change of manager to refresh ideas in the dressing room. Hopefully, that is exactly what our players will get under Hughes. I think I read somewhere now that Poch is the 5th or 6th longest serving manager across the football league- and he only joined in summer 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 1) I think he WILL keep us up. The main objective. 2) Don't think any of the other currently available candidates were are any more likely to keep us up than him. 3) Short term appointment with option to extend. Assuming he does keep us up I think he would have the current squad comfortably top 10 again next season, if he's allowed to make his own additions (wondering if title of Manager not coach indicates he may have more say than the last few on transfers - then he could get us back challenging top 8. 4) He''s been there, done that career wise, he's not going to be treating us as a stepping stone to better things. If any of the big boys were interested in him be at one of them by now. 5) He's been managing a while - is it 6th most games managed in the PL? - hopefully he still has a desire to win a trophy or two. 6) Whilst Pochetino and Koeman done well for us, for me he is more the sort of manager I associate with Saints. More of a Nicoll, Ball, Souness , Strachan type appointment. 7) All in all happy with his past record, happy with him, and if I'm wrong and it all goes tits up we can start afresh next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 http://www.football365.com/news/stuck-in-the-middle-with-hughes-his-six-most-used-players Makes for pleasant reading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 http://www.football365.com/news/stuck-in-the-middle-with-hughes-his-six-most-used-players Makes for pleasant reading...“From the day Mark arrived we worked on our fitness.” Yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Saw this from a Stoke Fan on youtube - Stoke fan here giving you the Stoke view on your new manager... First off we all know he was a great player, but great player so often fails to mean great manager and that is the case here. However, I think he can give you that short term lift you need to stay up. His first 2 and half seasons at Stoke were good. He built on the Pulis platform of a solid defence and added a bit of flair, buying players like Arnautovic, Bojan and Shaqiri. Players we were never likely to see at Stoke under Pulis. He also moved to a more possession based style. As a result we played some good stuff and managed 3 top 9 finishes. However the wheels started to fall off midway through his 3rd season. He'd dismantled the Pulis defence and we started to concede goals and lose our fighting spirit. This season he tried to resolve this by moving to a back 3 and wing backs. However this didn't suit the personnel as there were no natural wing backs in the squad. Some of the players he personally pursued and signed for big money e.g. Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Wollscheid, have been a waste of money. Criticisms of him at Stoke have been around things like his inability to organise our defence, tactical naivety, wasting money on big money signings, lack of man management with the problem players (once a player is out of favour they seem to get blanked). Also he's left us with an unbalanced squad, unfit players (worse running stats in the premier league) and the worst goal difference of any club in any top level league in Europe. His strengths - likes technically gifted players, gives players freedom to do their thing, respected by the players primarily based on his playing career. Weaknesses - Man management, tactics, big money signings, attention to detail. He's a big character I'm sure he can give you that short term lift, however I very much doubt he will work out in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Being a character and letting players express themselves. Sounds like a good antidote to what we have had this year and should give us a fair chance of a lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 This reminds me of the early part of the Carrillo thread. Les Reed is making a series of poor decisions and we shouldn't be trying to justify them. We should be trying to get him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 15 March, 2018 Author Share Posted 15 March, 2018 (edited) This reminds me of the early part of the Carrillo thread. Les Reed is making a series of poor decisions and we shouldn't be trying to justify them. We should be trying to get him out. My post is just statistics. Not 'trying to justify' anything. Sorry if you can't see that. If other people want to feel encouraged, that's up to them. There are legitimate reasons to feel encouraged. Edited 15 March, 2018 by Saint-Armstrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 It's a very decent record, I get the feeling that things went a bit stale at Stoke and wasn't QPR under Flavio Briatore\Bernie Ecclestone\Tony Fernandez a bit of basket case club around the time he was there? I think because he's been around a while and is not a shiny new manager + he has inevitably got one or two blemishes in his CV that fans have a downer on him but when you look at his complete stats he's been a good manager. I rarely read football biographies as a rule, but Warnock's came up on Kindle a while ago for 99p. Not my favourite person but quite a decent read. His account of QPR and the sheer chaos was not flattering to those running QPR at the time. As a result, he didn't give Hughes or anyone else that followed a serious chance of being even moderately successful given the rudderless way the club was run at that time. Even Harry, who had worked for Mandaric, Lowe, Terry Brown etc, found it too much. So I think that has to be taken into mitigation for weighing up Hughes's time there. It's harder to know what happened this season with Stoke but he was the best available I feel for the situation. Blame is all Reed, Kreuger and Pellegrino's if we do go down and credit to Hughes if we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 I rarely read football biographies as a rule, but Warnock's came up on Kindle a while ago for 99p. Not my favourite person but quite a decent read. His account of QPR and the sheer chaos was not flattering to those running QPR at the time. As a result, he didn't give Hughes or anyone else that followed a serious chance of being even moderately successful given the rudderless way the club was run at that time. Even Harry, who had worked for Mandaric, Lowe, Terry Brown etc, found it too much. So I think that has to be taken into mitigation for weighing up Hughes's time there. It's harder to know what happened this season with Stoke but he was the best available I feel for the situation. Blame is all Reed, Kreuger and Pellegrino's if we do go down and credit to Hughes if we don't. I think Neil Warnock is the most underrated Manager working in English football, so happy to take his word for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 I think Neil Warnock is the most underrated Manager working in football, so happy to take his word for that. I agree completely. Shame it's never quite happened for him in the Premier League, may be down to him or may be down to bad luck/circumstance (the West Ham/Tevez thing when he was at Sheff Utd, and QPR being a mess). The job he did at Rotherham to keep them up was remarkable, and should he get Cardiff promoted this season it'll be unbelievable, probably his greatest achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Decent record that, especially considering QPR are a bit of a basket case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 (edited) before moving to Watford getting them their best ever start to a season (including a convincing 2-0 over us at St Mary's) but fell out with board cos he wanted to jump ship to Everton and take players with him. Why do people just make up nonsense statements that are easily dispelled in the age of the internet. “Best ever start to a season”. Pony. Third game of the season they were knocked out of the league cup at home to a championship side and the week after a convincing 2-0 win over us, they lost 6-0 at home. In 1982 they had the equivalent of 43 points the same stage of the season Silva left, Silva had 23. They were top of the league after 6 games, including beating us 4-1 away and Sunderland 8-0. Only in your head did he give them their best ever start to a season. Silva had 1 win in 11 games and left them 5 points above relegation prior to his departure. His win % was 30.8%, only just above Walter Mazzarri 29.27% but below Quique Sánchez Flores’ 36.6%, both of whom were considered failures. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edited 15 March, 2018 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 Its some interesting stats there, thanks for posting! Win ratio Last 3 jobs (8 years) Fulham - 32% QPR - 23% Stoke 35% 277 games, 93 wins, 70 draws, 114 losses. 33% win ratio, 41% loss ratio. Assuming that bounces over to our 8 games we should win 2 games, draw 4 and lose 2. 10 points. 38 points total. Will be close but I think that will be enough to stay up this season. Bite your hand off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 So 8 top ten premier league finishes in 11 full seasons. But some people think he's not good enough for Saints? Welcome back, Sparky. COYR To be fair a top 8 finish wasn't good enough for our fans, so why will they accept a top ten finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 To be fair a top 8 finish wasn't good enough for our fans, so why will they accept a top ten finish?To be fair finishing 8th had nothing to do with why some fans wanted puel to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 15 March, 2018 Share Posted 15 March, 2018 To be fair finishing 8th had nothing to do with why some fans wanted puel to leave. I was responding to a comment that mentioned top ten finishes should be enough for us. The post didn't mention any other factors, I suggested top ten finishes don't appear to be enough for our fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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