berkshiresaint Posted 4 October, 2022 Share Posted 4 October, 2022 15 hours ago, The Cat said: Possibly the best player review I've ever read. Can't quite work out if the bloke likes him or not though. I may be wrong, but I don't think this guy is a massive fan of his. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 4 October, 2022 Share Posted 4 October, 2022 Just now, berkshiresaint said: I may be wrong, but I don't think this guy is a massive fan of his. To be fair, he could be talking about any number of our players there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 4 October, 2022 Share Posted 4 October, 2022 9 hours ago, once_bitterne said: Adkins was in over his head in the Champ tbf. L1 was his level. We got promoted by being flat track bullies and using a squad with lallana, Morgan, Lambert, Fonte, etc to beat the poor teams but when we played a promotion rival pretty much every time he was out managed and we lost. What a crock of shite 😂 Theres always someone that thinks it’s cool to down play what Nigel achieved that season. Straight promotion without dropping out of the top 2 all season, the guy is an absolute hero. Sure he had better tools (players) than a lot of teams, but you need to know how to use them which he really did. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 4 October, 2022 Share Posted 4 October, 2022 9 hours ago, once_bitterne said: Adkins was in over his head in the Champ tbf. L1 was his level. We got promoted by being flat track bullies and using a squad with lallana, Morgan, Lambert, Fonte, etc to beat the poor teams but when we played a promotion rival pretty much every time he was out managed and we lost. This has got to be some of the biggest load of twaddle posted on here. And there is a lot of competition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 4 October, 2022 Share Posted 4 October, 2022 My memory is of annoyance when NA would make tactical subs against bigger Prem teams, when we were clearly on top of them. He must have been doing something right to be in that position. There were signs we were getting to grips with the season when he went. His record with us shows he was easily good enough for the two leagues below. Remember, when you are feeling stressed or are in a bad place, just ask yourself "What Would Nigel Do?" and let that positivity in. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 4 October, 2022 Share Posted 4 October, 2022 On 03/10/2022 at 19:06, Lighthouse said: I'd mostly agree with that assessment, with a couple of exceptions. JWP, KWP, ABK and Lavia are decent PL standard players and would almost certainly leave. You can probably add Salisu to that because of his contract situation and Aribo looks like he might have enough about him to get pinched. I disagree on Adams, if we went down it'd probably be following a pretty disappointing season on his behalf, I doubt he'd have PL teams kicking down his front door. Overall, I think you could make a fairly decent Championship team out of: Bazunu Livramento Stephens Bednarek Perraud Tella Diallo ????? Armstrong Adams Armstrong The sheer prospect of a CB pairing of Stephens and Bednarek once again is too depressing to contemplate..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 4 October, 2022 Share Posted 4 October, 2022 I posted this on the Everton thread. Obviously I think some of these players won't get a look in (Chauke, Watts etc don't seem to be doing much on loan at a lower level), then some who haven't proven themselves yet but could probably do a job at Championship level (Simeu got rave reviews at Carlisle and now apparently the fans like him at Tranmere, Smallbone, Tella, maybe N'Lundulu) and one or two with no/hardly any senior experience but could also DAJFU like Payne, Ballard, Edwards and Pearce. "The state of our potential Championship team doesn't bear thinking about, but we'd probably have a squad (without any signings of course) of: McCarthy/Lis, Payne, Stephens/Simeu/Lyanco/, Perraud/Larios/Small, Diallo/Smallbone/Chauke/Watts, Tella/Djenepo/Edwards/, Armstrong/N'Lundulu/Ballard/Pearce. Obviously there'd be signings and possibly one or two of the ones we've suggested leaving will still be here but it still looks weak. We need change to stay up and the manager is the one that has to go." Effectively we wouldn't need to strengthen GK or LB most likely but everywhere else would need it. Of course we could keep a few as others have said - Adams, SArmstrong, maybe Tino, Mara, Edozie? Quite simply it is best to just try and avoid it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 4 October, 2022 Share Posted 4 October, 2022 1 hour ago, Viking Saint said: The sheer prospect of a CB pairing of Stephens and Bednarek once again is too depressing to contemplate..... I know but Hooiveld and Kelvin were top drawer in that league, they’ll do alright. Lyanco too probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 14 hours ago, bpsaint said: What a crock of shite 😂 Theres always someone that thinks it’s cool to down play what Nigel achieved that season. Straight promotion without dropping out of the top 2 all season, the guy is an absolute hero. Sure he had better tools (players) than a lot of teams, but you need to know how to use them which he really did. It's amazing how people's impression of his abilities has improved over time. I know we are Southampton who despite being a club of the same size/fanbase as Leicester manage to never win anything but that really was our season to win a trophy. We had a squad of the likes of Morgan/Lallana/Fonte/Lambert which was far stronger than other sides in the 2nd tier of football. Yes, we were able to consistently beat the poor/mid table teams but our record against the teams at the top wasn't that special and Adkins was often easily out coached. Reading 1 point WHU 4 points Brum 4 points Blackpool 1 point Cardiff 1 point Boro 3 points Hull 6 points Leicester 0 points + Pompey 2 points Not really that great a record considering the points we ended up with in total. Adkins is a lovely bloke but at best a very average manager who struggled even at Championship level. If you need any proof of that just take a look at his career record after being sacked by us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 13 hours ago, Viking Saint said: The sheer prospect of a CB pairing of Stephens and Bednarek once again is too depressing to contemplate..... I don’t believe you will see Bednarek in a Saints shirt again. He will move to a bigger club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 On 04/10/2022 at 09:56, once_bitterne said: Adkins was in over his head in the Champ tbf. L1 was his level. We got promoted by being flat track bullies and using a squad with lallana, Morgan, Lambert, Fonte, etc to beat the poor teams but when we played a promotion rival pretty much every time he was out managed and we lost. Spot on. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 3 hours ago, once_bitterne said: who struggled even at Championship level He was promoted at the first attempt, finishing above big spenders Leicester and West Ham, one point off being Champions and with the best GD in the league. Even with this bizarre statistical analysis, that form over a 46 game season is nearly 60 points, playing the top 8 in every game. If you’re point is that he got better results against worse teams… well, yeah. Reading won the league, losing home and away against Hull and Cardiff, what of it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, bpsaint said: What a crock of shite 😂 Theres always someone that thinks it’s cool to down play what Nigel achieved that season. Straight promotion without dropping out of the top 2 all season, the guy is an absolute hero. Sure he had better tools (players) than a lot of teams, but you need to know how to use them which he really did. Yup, agreed, especially if you look directly at promotion rivals West Ham who had a significantly better squad and yet we pipped to automatic promotion after taking 4 points to them - "yet he was consistently out coached by his rivals". Struggling to understand how over a 46 game season we can finish second with a thin squad largely new to that level, and it be described negatively. The entire fanbase bites your arm off if you offered them that 5minutes before kick off vs leeds in August... (still remember Hammond's goal, was sat right behind it, beautiful start to a season 😍). As for, "its amazing how people's impression of his abilities improved over time".... - the only reasonable assumption one can take from this view, is that there was a raft of people saying we were going to win the league before a ball was ever kicked, and anything else was an under achievement. Do the old pre season prediction threads still exist? Can't remember anyone saying "win the league or he's shit" that pre season 🤣 Also, you can say what you want about the ability of some of those players - but Adkins coached them to that level over his time with us 🤷♂️. Edited 5 October, 2022 by Saint86 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: He was promoted at the first attempt, finishing above big spenders Leicester and West Ham, one point off being Champions and with the best GD in the league. Even with this bizarre statistical analysis, that form over a 46 game season is nearly 60 points, playing the top 8 in every game. If you’re point is that he got better results against worse teams… well, yeah. Reading won the league, losing home and away against Hull and Cardiff, what of it? He just wasn't a very good manager. With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season. Nice bloke, but L1 was his level. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 1 hour ago, once_bitterne said: He just wasn't a very good manager. With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season. Nice bloke, but L1 was his level. Did you honestly, before the championship season started, believe that finishing 2nd and going up straight up to the Prem (straight off the back of league 1 promotion) would be a failure? That winning the league was the expected achievement? That’s complete bollox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, once_bitterne said: He just wasn't a very good manager. With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season. Nice bloke, but L1 was his level. Don't be so stupid. Was your expectation at the start of the Championship season to finish 1st, miles ahead of everyone else? This league had West Ham in it and Leicester City with Sven by the way. I certainly didn't expect us to win automatic promotion at the start of the season. I'd hazard a guess that no, your expectation wouldn't have been to 'walk the league'. So on that basis Adkins actually overachieved in that season. The 'financial' backing stuff is a little bit fluffy as well, in that Championship season we signed Cork for 700k, Jos for 500k and De Ridder for a nominal fee. West Ham and Leicester blew us out of the water twice. You and lard have an incredibly odd fixation to prove that Adkins failed with us, seemingly due to a strong desire to need to be seen right in that he was the 'wrong choice' when we appointed him in league 1. Breaking news...he wasn't the wrong choice, so suck it up and accept that you were wrong. Edited 5 October, 2022 by S-Clarke 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 5 October, 2022 Share Posted 5 October, 2022 5 hours ago, once_bitterne said: He just wasn't a very good manager. With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season. Nice bloke, but L1 was his level. There was a 5 year plan to get back to the Prem when Markus took over. We did it in 3. When Nigel joined we were in the League 1 relegation zone, when he was sacked we were 15th in the Prem. Anyone who considers that underachieving is not worth arguing with. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 6 October, 2022 Share Posted 6 October, 2022 22 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Don't be so stupid. Was your expectation at the start of the Championship season to finish 1st, miles ahead of everyone else? This league had West Ham in it and Leicester City with Sven by the way. I certainly didn't expect us to win automatic promotion at the start of the season. I'd hazard a guess that no, your expectation wouldn't have been to 'walk the league'. So on that basis Adkins actually overachieved in that season. The 'financial' backing stuff is a little bit fluffy as well, in that Championship season we signed Cork for 700k, Jos for 500k and De Ridder for a nominal fee. West Ham and Leicester blew us out of the water twice. You and lard have an incredibly odd fixation to prove that Adkins failed with us, seemingly due to a strong desire to need to be seen right in that he was the 'wrong choice' when we appointed him in league 1. Breaking news...he wasn't the wrong choice, so suck it up and accept that you were wrong. I didn't say he was the wrong choice, he was the right choice as we ended up in the PL. My point at the start of the discussion was that his level (i.e. the highest he can do well at) was L1 and that his promotion in the Championship was more down to the high level of players we had for that league rather than any great managerial work by Adkins. I'm not sure how this can be argued given what time has proved. The players we had in L1/Championship have gone on to have great careers in the PL, won PL medals, CL winner's medals, European Championship medals and numerous international caps. While Adkins has failed spectacularly and been sacked from every job in the Championship he has taken since leaving us. Still, he's a lovely bloke though. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 October, 2022 Share Posted 6 October, 2022 2 hours ago, once_bitterne said: I didn't say he was the wrong choice, he was the right choice as we ended up in the PL. My point at the start of the discussion was that his level (i.e. the highest he can do well at) was L1 and that his promotion in the Championship was more down to the high level of players we had for that league rather than any great managerial work by Adkins. I'm not sure how this can be argued given what time has proved. The players we had in L1/Championship have gone on to have great careers in the PL, won PL medals, CL winner's medals, European Championship medals and numerous international caps. While Adkins has failed spectacularly and been sacked from every job in the Championship he has taken since leaving us. Still, he's a lovely bloke though. 👍 'I'm not sure how this can be argued'. He got us promoted to the PL. That's the end of the discussion. You talk about the calibre of players we had but have a look at the WHU squad that season and Leicester - full of quality, lots of money spent. Did either of those teams finish Top 2? No, they didn't. We had a good core of players, Fonte, Lambert, Morgan, Cork, Lallana, but it's up to the management and the coaching staff to assemble a team from that, which he did. Adkins created the most enjoyable time I've ever had as a Southampton fan and I will never think of him as anything else than a huge success in everything he did. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 October, 2022 Share Posted 6 October, 2022 (edited) On 05/10/2022 at 18:21, S-Clarke said: Don't be so stupid. Was your expectation at the start of the Championship season to finish 1st, miles ahead of everyone else? This league had West Ham in it and Leicester City with Sven by the way. I certainly didn't expect us to win automatic promotion at the start of the season. I'd hazard a guess that no, your expectation wouldn't have been to 'walk the league'. So on that basis Adkins actually overachieved in that season. The 'financial' backing stuff is a little bit fluffy as well, in that Championship season we signed Cork for 700k, Jos for 500k and De Ridder for a nominal fee. West Ham and Leicester blew us out of the water twice. You and lard have an incredibly odd fixation to prove that Adkins failed with us, seemingly due to a strong desire to need to be seen right in that he was the 'wrong choice' when we appointed him in league 1. Breaking news...he wasn't the wrong choice, so suck it up and accept that you were wrong. 100% Bitterne and Saint Lard are utterly full of shit and they know it. Neither of them had Saints to win the league outright on August 1st 2011 and they know it. They've created a little fairytale in their head that we were super all-conquering mega club on the first day of the season in 2011 where the title was some cakewalk formality that Adkins failed on. Everything they say now (over and over again) is post rationalised, after the fact, myth making. Or, in summary, horseshit. Edited 6 October, 2022 by CB Fry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 If you are going to judge a Saints manager by his record elsewhere, god we've had some terrible managers (Lawrie, Ball, Hoddle,Strachan, Koeman etc) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 14 hours ago, CB Fry said: 100% Bitterne and Saint Lard are utterly full of shit and they know it. Neither of them had Saints to win the league outright on August 1st 2011 and they know it. They've created a little fairytale in their head that we were super all-conquering mega club on the first day of the season in 2011 where the title was some cakewalk formality that Adkins failed on. Everything they say now (over and over again) is post rationalised, after the fact, myth making. Or, in summary, horseshit. Would it be unfair to assume those strongly defending Adkins were the same ones smashing their fists into their keyboards when that Italian Dwarf sacked him to bring in that no mark foreigner who none of us have ever heard of? Again, is there any evidence to say he is more than a L1 level manager? He did well in one season in the Championship where he had Schnierderlin/Lambert/Fonte/Lallana but other than that has failed spectacular and been quickly sacked from every Championship job he's had since. Still, 'triffic bloke though, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 6 minutes ago, once_bitterne said: Still, 'triffic bloke though, yes? Should have won the league 1 title too with the team he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 6 minutes ago, once_bitterne said: Would it be unfair to assume those strongly defending Adkins were the same ones smashing their fists into their keyboards when that Italian Dwarf sacked him to bring in that no mark foreigner who none of us have ever heard of? I was angry, I thought Adkins was doing a decent job, even at this level. Cortese was however proven right on that one, not because Adkins was crap but because we’d unearthed one of the now top rated managers in Europe. You do realise there’s a bit of a gulf in ability between, "League 1 standard," and, "as good as Pochettino,"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 22 minutes ago, once_bitterne said: Would it be unfair to assume those strongly defending Adkins were the same ones smashing their fists into their keyboards when that Italian Dwarf sacked him to bring in that no mark foreigner who none of us have ever heard of? Again, is there any evidence to say he is more than a L1 level manager? He did well in one season in the Championship where he had Schnierderlin/Lambert/Fonte/Lallana but other than that has failed spectacular and been quickly sacked from every Championship job he's had since. Still, 'triffic bloke though, yes? Bradley, in the summer before Saints kicked off the Championship season, did you think Saints were favourites to win the title that year? Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 3 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I was angry, I thought Adkins was doing a decent job, even at this level. Cortese was however proven right on that one, not because Adkins was crap but because we’d unearthed one of the now top rated managers in Europe. You do realise there’s a bit of a gulf in ability between, "League 1 standard," and, "as good as Pochettino,"? Who's saying there isn't? As I keep saying, the point I made is that Adkins (brilliant chap) is a L1 level manager. The only time he has been successful at a level higher than that was in one season in the Championship with us where he had a stacked squad. Given his track record since being sacked by us I can't see much evidence to disagree with this. He's failed badly at every Championship job he's been given. Nothing wrong with being a L1 manager, that's just what he is. Amazing fella though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 On 03/10/2022 at 19:06, Lighthouse said: I'd mostly agree with that assessment, with a couple of exceptions. JWP, KWP, ABK and Lavia are decent PL standard players and would almost certainly leave. You can probably add Salisu to that because of his contract situation and Aribo looks like he might have enough about him to get pinched. I disagree on Adams, if we went down it'd probably be following a pretty disappointing season on his behalf, I doubt he'd have PL teams kicking down his front door. Overall, I think you could make a fairly decent Championship team out of: Bazunu Livramento Stephens Bednarek Perraud Tella Diallo ????? Armstrong Adams Armstrong I think Stuart Armstrong will return to Scotland 🏴 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, once_bitterne said: Would it be unfair to assume those strongly defending Adkins were the same ones smashing their fists into their keyboards when that Italian Dwarf sacked him to bring in that no mark foreigner who none of us have ever heard of? Again, is there any evidence to say he is more than a L1 level manager? He did well in one season in the Championship where he had Schnierderlin/Lambert/Fonte/Lallana but other than that has failed spectacular and been quickly sacked from every Championship job he's had since. Still, 'triffic bloke though, yes? None of that is relevant to the point in hand. Which is, as we know, that you are utterly full of shit and you know it. You didn't predict we'd win the league that August, and you know it. Just one of two idiot Saints fans on here that didn't celebrate across two hugely enjoyable seasons. I fucking loved it, it was absolutely delicious. Suck it up. Suck it right up. Edited 7 October, 2022 by CB Fry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 With the club closing block 1 it seems off the pitch they are very much prepairing for the championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 7 October, 2022 Share Posted 7 October, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, IFHP said: With the club closing block 1 it seems off the pitch they are very much prepairing for the championship. It certainly feels that way with no leadership on or off the pitch, dithering and hands off ownership. The change of manager and attitude needed to happen before the Everton to have a realistic chance of staying up and with the striker fiasco in the summer window it’d take a miracle now. The club is leaking like a sieve to the media it seems with a very young squad miles out of its depth. 2008/9 all over again and the outcome looks very similar. Hopefully SR has a plan to reboot, find a Kompany type figure next summer with a bit of presence, who will add experienced second tiers to the younger talent and whom they can learn from. With Ralph, Semmens and Steele the club is as good as deceased to most of the fanbase, the block 1 nonsense is another nail in the coffin. I can see some midweek gates in the Championship for Rotherham/Luton games next season of below 15k, I hope Dragan has deep pockets to cover the losses unless the club hits the automatic places early on and stays there. This season has turned its toes. Next season could be better in a lower division, clear the rest of any Gao era people, plus this security manager out over the rest of this season and bring people in who care about who they work for, who have some professional pride in listening and want to restore the club’s identity. Fans engagement a priority as well, the side has been pathetic to watch for months and for years at home, back to 2017. Edited 8 October, 2022 by saint1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 8 October, 2022 Share Posted 8 October, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, saint1977 said: With Ralph, Semmens and Steele the club is as good as deceased to most of the fanbase, the block 1 nonsense is another nail in the coffin. I can see some midweek gates in the Championship for Rotherham/Luton games next season of below 15k, I hope Dragan has deep pockets to cover the losses unless the club hits the automatic places early on and stays there. Can't see that happening, unless of course we find a shit manager who's level is League 1. Edited 8 October, 2022 by stknowle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piran Posted 8 October, 2022 Share Posted 8 October, 2022 10 hours ago, saint1977 said: It certainly feels that way with no leadership on or off the pitch, dithering and hands off ownership. The change of manager and attitude needed to happen before the Everton to have a realistic chance of staying up and with the striker fiasco in the summer window it’d take a miracle now. The club is leaking like a sieve to the media it seems with a very young squad miles out of its depth. 2008/9 all over again and the outcome looks very similar. Hopefully SR has a plan to reboot, find a Kompany type figure next summer with a bit of presence, who will add experienced second tiers to the younger talent and whom they can learn from. With Ralph, Semmens and Steele the club is as good as deceased to most of the fanbase, the block 1 nonsense is another nail in the coffin. I can see some midweek gates in the Championship for Rotherham/Luton games next season of below 15k, I hope Dragan has deep pockets to cover the losses unless the club hits the automatic places early on and stays there. This season has turned its toes. Next season could be better in a lower division, clear the rest of any Gao era people, plus this security manager out over the rest of this season and bring people in who care about who they work for, who have some professional pride in listening and want to restore the club’s identity. Fans engagement a priority as well, the side has been pathetic to watch for months and for years at home, back to 2017. What a little ray of sunshine you are, saint1977! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 10 October, 2022 Share Posted 10 October, 2022 On 07/10/2022 at 18:21, CB Fry said: None of that is relevant to the point in hand. Which is, as we know, that you are utterly full of shit and you know it. You didn't predict we'd win the league that August, and you know it. Just one of two idiot Saints fans on here that didn't celebrate across two hugely enjoyable seasons. I fucking loved it, it was absolutely delicious. Suck it up. Suck it right up. Are you a bit simple? I think you're confusing me with someone else? Can you find a single post I've made where I didn't celebrate our two promotions? I though they were great. Those seasons (and the first season in L1) were the most enjoyable I've had as a Saints fan since the early 80s. They were amazing and I even got to see us win a trophy at Wembley. The point being debated is what level of manager is (amazing chap) Nigel Adkins. I would say L1 as the only decent season he had in the 2nd tier was with us where he had a squad of players several who would go onto to play for their countries, win PL/CL medals, etc. I've had a lot of abuse for daring to say that but no one has given a shred of evidence to backup any thoughts that he's better than L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 October, 2022 Share Posted 10 October, 2022 Changing the subject, Zidane was not a world class player. He only won the World Cup once and that was with a squad full of really talented players. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 11 October, 2022 Share Posted 11 October, 2022 16 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Changing the subject, Zidane was not a world class player. He only won the World Cup once and that was with a squad full of really talented players. Tenuous. If you are just talking about the once every 4 year competition then you have to say Zidane was also a runner up as well as, after all, runner's ups is all Nige really has in his trophy cabinet. Other than that: Player Bordeaux[14] UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1995 UEFA Cup runner-up: 1995–96 Juventus[14] Serie A: 1996–97, 1997–98 Supercoppa Italiana: 1997 UEFA Super Cup: 1996 Intercontinental Cup: 1996 UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999 UEFA Champions League runner-up: 1996–97, 1997–98 Real Madrid[14] La Liga: 2002–03 Supercopa de España: 2001, 2003 UEFA Champions League: 2001–02 UEFA Super Cup: 2002 Intercontinental Cup: 2002 France[14] FIFA World Cup: 1998; runner-up: 2006 UEFA European Championship: 2000 Individual French Division 1 Young Player of the Year: 1993–94[244] French Division 1 Player of the Year: 1995–96[244] Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 1996–97, 2000–01 Ballon d'Or: Bronze award 1997 FIFA World Player of the Year: Bronze award 1997, 2002[245] Onze d'Argent: 1997, 2002, 2003 FIFA XI: 1997, 1998, 2000, 2002[246] ESM Team of the Year: 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2003–04 UEFA Club Midfielder of the Year: 1998[244] L'Équipe International Champion of Champions: 1998[247] L'Équipe France Champion of Champions: 1998[247] FIFA World Cup All-Star team: 1998, 2006 World Soccer Awards Player of the Year: 1998[244] France Football French Player of the Year: 1998, 2002[244] Onze d'Or: 1998, 2000, 2001 Ballon d'Or: 1998[14] FIFA World Player of the Year: 1998, 2000, 2003[14] El País European Player of the Year: 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003 Onze de Bronze: 1999 World Soccer's Selection of the 100 Greatest Footballers of the 20th century: 1999 2nd French Player of the Century (France Football): 2000[248] Ballon d'Or: Silver award 2000 UEFA European Championship Player of the Tournament: 2000[244] UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 2000, 2004 Serie A top assist provider: 2000–01[249] Serie A Footballer of the Year: 2000–01 UEFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2002, 2003 Don Balón Award: 2001–02 La Liga Best Foreign Player: 2001–02[250] UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2002 FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2002 FIFA 100: 2004 UEFA Best European Player of the Past 50 Years: 2004 FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2005, 2006 IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2006[251] FIFA World Cup Golden Ball: 2006[14] FIFA World Player of the Year: Silver award 2006[252] UNFP Honorary Award: 2007 AFS Top-100 Players of All Time #5: 2007[253] Marca Leyenda Award: 2008 Golden Foot Legends Award: 2008 ESPN Team of the Decade: 2009 ESPN Player of the Decade: 2009 Fox Sports Player of the Decade: 2009[254] Sports Illustrated Team of the Decade: 2009[255] Sports Illustrated Player of the Decade: 2009[244] Don Balón Team of the Decade: 2010[256] Don Balón Player of the Decade: 2010[256] Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award: 2011[244] UEFA team of teams: 2011[257] UEFA Champions League Best Player of the Past 20 Years: 2011[258] Équipe type spéciale 20 ans des trophées UNFP: 2011 Real Madrid Greatest XI of All Time: 2012[259] World Soccer Greatest XI of All Time: 2013[260] Real Madrid Hall of Fame: 2014[261] UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year (substitute): 2015[262] IFFHS Legends: 2016[263] UEFA European Championship All-Time XI: 2016[264] FourFourTwo's Selection of the 100 Greatest Footballers of All Time #8: 2017[265] Juventus Greatest XI of All Time: 2017[266] L'Équipe Best French Player of All Time: 2018[267] Ballon d'Or Dream Team (Silver): 2020[268] IFFHS All-time Men's B Dream Team: 2021[269] IFFHS All-time Europe Men's Dream Team: 2021[270] Against: Player-manager[edit] Bangor City League of Wales: 1993–94, 1994–95[citation needed] Welsh League Cup runner-up: 1993–94[citation needed] Manager[edit] Scunthorpe United Football League One: 2006–07[citation needed] Football League One play-offs: 2009[citation needed] Southampton Football League One runner-up: 2010–11[citation needed] Football League Championship runner-up: 2011–12 And obviously his all-world Smashing Bloke Title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 October, 2022 Share Posted 11 October, 2022 18 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Changing the subject, Zidane was not a world class player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 October, 2022 Share Posted 11 October, 2022 21 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Changing the subject, Zidane was not a world class player. He only won the World Cup once and that was with a squad full of really talented players. Yeah, he was shit. Give me Moi Elyounoussi any day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 On 10/10/2022 at 23:56, Lighthouse said: Changing the subject, Zidane was not a world class player. He only won the World Cup once and that was with a squad full of really talented players. Good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 Note to self, don’t attempt sarcasm on the internet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 (edited) On 10/10/2022 at 15:34, once_bitterne said: Are you a bit simple? I think you're confusing me with someone else? Can you find a single post I've made where I didn't celebrate our two promotions? I though they were great. Those seasons (and the first season in L1) were the most enjoyable I've had as a Saints fan since the early 80s. They were amazing and I even got to see us win a trophy at Wembley. The point being debated is what level of manager is (amazing chap) Nigel Adkins. I would say L1 as the only decent season he had in the 2nd tier was with us where he had a squad of players several who would go onto to play for their countries, win PL/CL medals, etc. I've had a lot of abuse for daring to say that but no one has given a shred of evidence to backup any thoughts that he's better than L1. This is all, like, really super cute but you continue to run away from the fundamental point in hand. Which is this: On 05/10/2022 at 15:14, once_bitterne said: He just wasn't a very good manager. With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season. You keep avoiding the question because we all know the answer. You did not predict in August 2011 that we would win the league at a canter, so much so that finishing second would be a total failure. You didn't say it, you didn't think it. You won't have a "shred of evidence" to show that you thought that, will you? Not even a weeny little shred. You've just constructed a little fairy story in your head years later. You're utterly full of shit. But I'm sure you are a lovely bloke though x x x x Edited 12 October, 2022 by CB Fry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 21 minutes ago, CB Fry said: This is all, like, really super cute but you continue to run away from the fundamental point in hand. Which is this: You keep avoiding the question because we all know the answer. You did not predict in August 2011 that we would win the league at a canter, so much so that finishing second would be a total failure. You didn't say it, you didn't think it. You won't have a "shred of evidence" to show that you thought that, will you? Not even a weeny little shred. You've just constructed a little fairy story in your head years later. You're utterly full of shit. But I'm sure you are a lovely bloke though x x x x "Super Cute"? Are you 15? I'm not sure if a manager whose level was L1 could ever be described as being very good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 27 minutes ago, CB Fry said: You did not predict in August 2011 that we would win the league at a canter, so much so that finishing second would be a total failure. You didn't say it, you didn't think it. You may have a valid point there sir.... (sorry @once_bitterne ) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 (edited) ... Edited 12 October, 2022 by trousers oops.... ignore me, you were referring to Pardew! Doh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 Surely that was Pardew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 Just now, Lighthouse said: Surely that was Pardew? yeah.... realised my cock up just after posting I'll get back in my box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 2 minutes ago, trousers said: #cough# Premier League level apparently.... (double apologies) Good searching, but it was Pardew. We got Adkins in Sept of that year after a very bumpy august. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, once_bitterne said: "Super Cute"? Are you 15? I'm not sure if a manager whose level was L1 could ever be described as being very good... He was great for us, you seem to hate that fact because you're some weirdo but crack on sweetheart. But really my only, repeated point, is that you are utterly full of shit. @trousers Thanks finding that. I have no idea how to search on this forum. Not that I needed to. I knew I was right. Edited 12 October, 2022 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: Good searching, but it was Pardew. We got Adkins in Sept of that year after a very bumpy august. Yep... my cock-up on that one admitted.... fair cop Edited 12 October, 2022 by trousers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 (edited) .... Edited 12 October, 2022 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 October, 2022 Share Posted 12 October, 2022 Sorry, @trousers completely confusing me. You should have quit while you were ahead..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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