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bpsaint

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  On 04/10/2022 at 08:56, once_bitterne said:

Adkins was in over his head in the Champ tbf.  L1 was his level.  We got promoted by being flat track bullies and using a squad with lallana, Morgan, Lambert, Fonte, etc to beat the poor teams but when we played a promotion rival pretty much every time he was out managed and we lost.

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What a crock of shite ๐Ÿ˜‚

Theres always someone that thinks itโ€™s cool to down play what Nigel achieved that season. Straight promotion without dropping out of the top 2 all season, the guy is an absolute hero. Sure he had better tools (players) than a lot of teams, but you need to know how to use them which he really did.

 

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ErwinK1961

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  On 04/10/2022 at 08:56, once_bitterne said:

Adkins was in over his head in the Champ tbf.  L1 was his level.  We got promoted by being flat track bullies and using a squad with lallana, Morgan, Lambert, Fonte, etc to beat the poor teams but when we played a promotion rival pretty much every time he was out managed and we lost.

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This has got to be some of the biggest load of twaddle posted on here. And there is a lot of competition.

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Holmes_and_Watson

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My memory is of annoyance when NA would make tactical subs against bigger Prem teams, when we were clearly on top of them. He must have been doing something right to be in that position. There were signs we were getting to grips with the season when he went. His record with us shows he was easily good enough for the two leagues below.

Remember, when you are feeling stressed or are in a bad place, just ask yourself "What Would Nigel Do?" and let that positivity in. ๐Ÿ™‚

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Viking Saint

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  On 03/10/2022 at 18:06, Lighthouse said:

I'd mostly agree with that assessment, with a couple of exceptions. JWP, KWP, ABK and Lavia are decent PL standard players and would almost certainly leave. You can probably add Salisu to that because of his contract situation and Aribo looks like he might have enough about him to get pinched. I disagree on Adams, if we went down it'd probably be following a pretty disappointing season on his behalf, I doubt he'd have PL teams kicking down his front door.

Overall, I think you could make a fairly decent Championship team out of:

Bazunu

Livramento    Stephens    Bednarek    Perraud

Tella    Diallo    ?????    Armstrong

Adams Armstrong

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The sheer prospect of a CB pairing of Stephens and Bednarek once again is too depressing to contemplate.....

SNSUN

SNSUN

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I posted this on the Everton thread. Obviously I think some of these players won't get a look in (Chauke, Watts etc don't seem to be doing much on loan at a lower level), then some who haven't proven themselves yet but could probably do a job at Championship level (Simeu got rave reviews at Carlisle and now apparently the fans like him at Tranmere, Smallbone, Tella, maybe N'Lundulu) and one or two with no/hardly any senior experience but could also DAJFU like Payne, Ballard, Edwards and Pearce.

 

"The state of our potential Championship team doesn't bear thinking about, but we'd probably have a squad (without any signings of course) of:

McCarthy/Lis,

Payne,

Stephens/Simeu/Lyanco/,

Perraud/Larios/Small,

Diallo/Smallbone/Chauke/Watts,

Tella/Djenepo/Edwards/,

Armstrong/N'Lundulu/Ballard/Pearce.

 

Obviously there'd be signings and possibly one or two of the ones we've suggested leaving will still be here but it still looks weak. We need change to stay up and the manager is the one that has to go."

Effectively we wouldn't need to strengthen GK or LB most likely but everywhere else would need it. Of course we could keep a few as others have said - Adams, SArmstrong, maybe Tino, Mara, Edozie?

 

Quite simply it is best to just try and avoid it!

 

once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 04/10/2022 at 18:34, bpsaint said:

What a crock of shite ๐Ÿ˜‚

Theres always someone that thinks itโ€™s cool to down play what Nigel achieved that season. Straight promotion without dropping out of the top 2 all season, the guy is an absolute hero. Sure he had better tools (players) than a lot of teams, but you need to know how to use them which he really did.

 

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It's amazing how people's impression of his abilities has improved over time.  I know we are Southampton who despite being a club of the same size/fanbase as Leicester manage to never win anything but that really was our season to win a trophy.  We had a squad of the likes of Morgan/Lallana/Fonte/Lambert which was far stronger than other sides in the 2nd tier of football.  Yes, we were able to consistently beat the poor/mid table teams but our record against the teams at the top wasn't that special and Adkins was often easily out coached.

 

Reading 1 point

WHU 4 points

Brum 4 points

Blackpool 1 point

Cardiff 1 point

Boro 3 points

Hull 6 points

Leicester 0 points

 

 + Pompey 2 points

Not really that great a record considering the points we ended up with in total.

Adkins is a lovely bloke but at best a very average manager who struggled even at Championship level.  If you need any proof of that just take a look at his career record after being sacked by us.

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saint lard

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  On 04/10/2022 at 08:56, once_bitterne said:

Adkins was in over his head in the Champ tbf.  L1 was his level.  We got promoted by being flat track bullies and using a squad with lallana, Morgan, Lambert, Fonte, etc to beat the poor teams but when we played a promotion rival pretty much every time he was out managed and we lost.

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Spot on. ๐Ÿ‘

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 05/10/2022 at 08:47, once_bitterne said:

who struggled even at Championship level

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He was promoted at the first attempt, finishing above big spenders Leicester and West Ham, one point off being Champions and with the best GD in the league. Even with this bizarre statistical analysis, that form over a 46 game season is nearly 60 points, playing the top 8 in every game.

 

If youโ€™re point is that he got better results against worse teamsโ€ฆ well, yeah. Reading won the league, losing home and away against Hull and Cardiff, what of it?

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Saint86

Saint86

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  On 04/10/2022 at 18:34, bpsaint said:

What a crock of shite ๐Ÿ˜‚

Theres always someone that thinks itโ€™s cool to down play what Nigel achieved that season. Straight promotion without dropping out of the top 2 all season, the guy is an absolute hero. Sure he had better tools (players) than a lot of teams, but you need to know how to use them which he really did.

 

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Yup, agreed, especially if you look directly at promotion rivals West Ham who had a significantly better squad and yet we pipped to automatic promotion after taking 4 points to them - "yet he was consistently out coached by his rivals".

Struggling to understand how over a 46 game season we can finish second with a thin squad largely new to that level, and it be described negatively. The entire fanbase bites your arm off if you offered them that 5minutes before kick off vs leeds in August... (still remember Hammond's goal, was sat right behind it, beautiful start to a season ๐Ÿ˜).

As for, "its amazing how people's impression of his abilities improved over time".... - the only reasonable assumption one can take from this view, is that there was a raft of people saying we were going to win the league before a ball was ever kicked, and anything else was an under achievement. Do the old pre season prediction threads still exist? Can't remember anyone saying "win the league or he's shit" that pre season ๐Ÿคฃ

Also, you can say what you want about the ability of some of those players - but Adkins coached them to that level over his time with us ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.

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once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 05/10/2022 at 12:46, Lighthouse said:

He was promoted at the first attempt, finishing above big spenders Leicester and West Ham, one point off being Champions and with the best GD in the league. Even with this bizarre statistical analysis, that form over a 46 game season is nearly 60 points, playing the top 8 in every game.

 

If youโ€™re point is that he got better results against worse teamsโ€ฆ well, yeah. Reading won the league, losing home and away against Hull and Cardiff, what of it?

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He just wasn't a very good manager.  With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season.

Nice bloke, but L1 was his level.

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ErwinK1961

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  On 05/10/2022 at 14:14, once_bitterne said:

He just wasn't a very good manager.  With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season.

Nice bloke, but L1 was his level.

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Did you honestly, before the championship season started, believe that finishing 2nd and going up straight up to the Prem (straight off the back of league 1 promotion) would be a failure? That winning the league was the expected achievement? Thatโ€™s complete bollox.

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S-Clarke

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  On 05/10/2022 at 14:14, once_bitterne said:

He just wasn't a very good manager.  With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season.

Nice bloke, but L1 was his level.

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Don't be so stupid. 

Was your expectation at the start of the Championship season to finish 1st, miles ahead of everyone else? This league had West Ham in it and Leicester City with Sven by the way. I certainly didn't expect us to win automatic promotion at the start of the season.

I'd hazard a guess that no, your expectation wouldn't have been to 'walk the league'. So on that basis Adkins actually overachieved in that season. The 'financial' backing stuff is a little bit fluffy as well, in that Championship season we signed Cork for 700k, Jos for 500k and De Ridder for a nominal fee. West Ham and Leicester blew us out of the water twice.

You and lard have an incredibly odd fixation to prove that Adkins failed with us, seemingly due to a strong desire to need to be seen right in that he was the 'wrong choice' when we appointed him in league 1. Breaking news...he wasn't the wrong choice, so suck it up and accept that you were wrong.

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bpsaint

bpsaint

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  On 05/10/2022 at 14:14, once_bitterne said:

He just wasn't a very good manager.  With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season.

Nice bloke, but L1 was his level.

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There was a 5 year plan to get back to the Prem when Markus took over. We did it in 3.

When Nigel joined we were in the League 1 relegation zone, when he was sacked we were 15th in the Prem. Anyone who considers that underachieving is not worth arguing with.

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once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 05/10/2022 at 17:21, S-Clarke said:

Don't be so stupid. 

Was your expectation at the start of the Championship season to finish 1st, miles ahead of everyone else? This league had West Ham in it and Leicester City with Sven by the way. I certainly didn't expect us to win automatic promotion at the start of the season.

I'd hazard a guess that no, your expectation wouldn't have been to 'walk the league'. So on that basis Adkins actually overachieved in that season. The 'financial' backing stuff is a little bit fluffy as well, in that Championship season we signed Cork for 700k, Jos for 500k and De Ridder for a nominal fee. West Ham and Leicester blew us out of the water twice.

You and lard have an incredibly odd fixation to prove that Adkins failed with us, seemingly due to a strong desire to need to be seen right in that he was the 'wrong choice' when we appointed him in league 1. Breaking news...he wasn't the wrong choice, so suck it up and accept that you were wrong.

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I didn't say he was the wrong choice, he was the right choice as we ended up in the PL.  My point at the start of the discussion was that his level (i.e. the highest he can do well at) was L1 and that his promotion in the Championship was more down to the high level of players we had for that league rather than any great managerial work by Adkins.

I'm not sure how this can be argued given what time has proved.  The players we had in L1/Championship have gone on to have great careers in the PL, won PL medals, CL winner's medals, European Championship medals and numerous international caps.

While Adkins has failed spectacularly and been sacked from every job in the Championship he has taken since leaving us.

Still, he's a lovely bloke though.  ๐Ÿ‘

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 06/10/2022 at 15:44, once_bitterne said:

I didn't say he was the wrong choice, he was the right choice as we ended up in the PL.  My point at the start of the discussion was that his level (i.e. the highest he can do well at) was L1 and that his promotion in the Championship was more down to the high level of players we had for that league rather than any great managerial work by Adkins.

I'm not sure how this can be argued given what time has proved.  The players we had in L1/Championship have gone on to have great careers in the PL, won PL medals, CL winner's medals, European Championship medals and numerous international caps.

While Adkins has failed spectacularly and been sacked from every job in the Championship he has taken since leaving us.

Still, he's a lovely bloke though.  ๐Ÿ‘

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'I'm not sure how this can be argued'.

He got us promoted to the PL. That's the end of the discussion. 

You talk about the calibre of players we had but have a look at the WHU squad that season and Leicester - full of quality, lots of money spent. Did either of those teams finish Top 2? No, they didn't.

We had a good core of players, Fonte, Lambert, Morgan, Cork, Lallana, but it's up to the management and the coaching staff to assemble a team from that, which he did. Adkins created the most enjoyable time I've ever had as a Southampton fan and I will never think of him as anything else than a huge success in everything he did.

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 05/10/2022 at 17:21, S-Clarke said:

Don't be so stupid. 

Was your expectation at the start of the Championship season to finish 1st, miles ahead of everyone else? This league had West Ham in it and Leicester City with Sven by the way. I certainly didn't expect us to win automatic promotion at the start of the season.

I'd hazard a guess that no, your expectation wouldn't have been to 'walk the league'. So on that basis Adkins actually overachieved in that season. The 'financial' backing stuff is a little bit fluffy as well, in that Championship season we signed Cork for 700k, Jos for 500k and De Ridder for a nominal fee. West Ham and Leicester blew us out of the water twice.

You and lard have an incredibly odd fixation to prove that Adkins failed with us, seemingly due to a strong desire to need to be seen right in that he was the 'wrong choice' when we appointed him in league 1. Breaking news...he wasn't the wrong choice, so suck it up and accept that you were wrong.

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Bitterne and Saint Lard are utterly full of shit and they know it.

Neither of them had Saints to win the league outright on August 1st 2011 and they know it. They've created a little fairytale in their head that we were super all-conquering mega club on the first day of the season in 2011 where the title was some cakewalk formality that Adkins failed on.

Everything they say now (over and over again) is post rationalised, after the fact, myth making. Or, in summary, horseshit.

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once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 06/10/2022 at 18:01, CB Fry said:

100%

Bitterne and Saint Lard are utterly full of shit and they know it.

Neither of them had Saints to win the league outright on August 1st 2011 and they know it. They've created a little fairytale in their head that we were super all-conquering mega club on the first day of the season in 2011 where the title was some cakewalk formality that Adkins failed on.

Everything they say now (over and over again) is post rationalised, after the fact, myth making. Or, in summary, horseshit.

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Would it be unfair to assume those strongly defending Adkins were the same ones smashing their fists into their keyboards when that Italian Dwarf sacked him to bring in that no mark foreigner who none of us have ever heard of?

Again, is there any evidence to say he is more than a L1 level manager?  He did well in one season in the Championship where he had Schnierderlin/Lambert/Fonte/Lallana but other than that has failed spectacular and been quickly sacked from every Championship job he's had since.

Still, 'triffic bloke though, yes?

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 07/10/2022 at 08:33, once_bitterne said:

Would it be unfair to assume those strongly defending Adkins were the same ones smashing their fists into their keyboards when that Italian Dwarf sacked him to bring in that no mark foreigner who none of us have ever heard of?

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I was angry, I thought Adkins was doing a decent job, even at this level. Cortese was however proven right on that one, not because Adkins was crap but because weโ€™d unearthed one of the now top rated managers in Europe. You do realise thereโ€™s a bit of a gulf in ability between, "League 1 standard," and, "as good as Pochettino,"?

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The Kraken

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  On 07/10/2022 at 08:33, once_bitterne said:

 

Would it be unfair to assume those strongly defending Adkins were the same ones smashing their fists into their keyboards when that Italian Dwarf sacked him to bring in that no mark foreigner who none of us have ever heard of?

Again, is there any evidence to say he is more than a L1 level manager?  He did well in one season in the Championship where he had Schnierderlin/Lambert/Fonte/Lallana but other than that has failed spectacular and been quickly sacked from every Championship job he's had since.

Still, 'triffic bloke though, yes?

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Bradley, in the summer before Saints kicked off the Championship season, did you think Saints were favourites to win the title that year? Yes or no?

once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 07/10/2022 at 08:44, Lighthouse said:

I was angry, I thought Adkins was doing a decent job, even at this level. Cortese was however proven right on that one, not because Adkins was crap but because weโ€™d unearthed one of the now top rated managers in Europe. You do realise thereโ€™s a bit of a gulf in ability between, "League 1 standard," and, "as good as Pochettino,"?

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Who's saying there isn't?

As I keep saying, the point I made is that Adkins (brilliant chap) is a L1 level manager.  The only time he has been successful at a level higher than that was in one season in the Championship with us where he had a stacked squad.

Given his track record since being sacked by us I can't see much evidence to disagree with this.  He's failed badly at every Championship job he's been given.

Nothing wrong with being a L1 manager, that's just what he is.

Amazing fella though.

Dr Who?

Dr Who?

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  On 03/10/2022 at 18:06, Lighthouse said:

I'd mostly agree with that assessment, with a couple of exceptions. JWP, KWP, ABK and Lavia are decent PL standard players and would almost certainly leave. You can probably add Salisu to that because of his contract situation and Aribo looks like he might have enough about him to get pinched. I disagree on Adams, if we went down it'd probably be following a pretty disappointing season on his behalf, I doubt he'd have PL teams kicking down his front door.

Overall, I think you could make a fairly decent Championship team out of:

Bazunu

Livramento    Stephens    Bednarek    Perraud

Tella    Diallo    ?????    Armstrong

Adams Armstrong

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I think Stuart Armstrong will return to Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ 

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 07/10/2022 at 08:33, once_bitterne said:

 

Would it be unfair to assume those strongly defending Adkins were the same ones smashing their fists into their keyboards when that Italian Dwarf sacked him to bring in that no mark foreigner who none of us have ever heard of?

Again, is there any evidence to say he is more than a L1 level manager?  He did well in one season in the Championship where he had Schnierderlin/Lambert/Fonte/Lallana but other than that has failed spectacular and been quickly sacked from every Championship job he's had since.

Still, 'triffic bloke though, yes?

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None of that is relevant to the point in hand. 

Which is, as we know, that you are utterly full of shit and you know it.

You didn't predict we'd win the league that August, and you know it.

Just one of two idiot Saints fans on here that didn't celebrate across two hugely enjoyable seasons.

I fucking loved it, it was absolutely delicious. Suck it up. Suck it right up.

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saint1977

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  On 07/10/2022 at 19:40, IFHP said:

With the club closing block 1 it seems off the pitch they are very much prepairing for the championship.

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It certainly feels that way with no leadership on or off the pitch, dithering and hands off ownership. The change of manager and attitude needed to happen before the Everton to have a realistic chance of staying up and with the striker fiasco in the summer window itโ€™d take a miracle now. 

The club is leaking like a sieve to the media it seems with a very young squad miles out of its depth. 2008/9 all over again and the outcome looks very similar. Hopefully SR has a plan to reboot, find a Kompany type figure next summer with a bit of presence, who will add experienced second tiers to the younger talent and whom they can learn from. With Ralph, Semmens and Steele the club is as good as deceased to most of the fanbase, the block 1 nonsense is another nail in the coffin. I can see some midweek gates in the Championship for Rotherham/Luton games next season of below 15k, I hope Dragan has deep pockets to cover the losses unless the club hits the automatic places early on and stays there. 

This season has turned its toes. Next season could be better in a lower division, clear the rest of any Gao era people, plus this security manager out over the rest of this season and bring people in who care about who they work for, who have some professional pride in listening and want to restore the clubโ€™s identity. Fans engagement a priority as well, the side has been pathetic to watch for months and for years at home, back to 2017. 

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stknowle

stknowle

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  On 07/10/2022 at 23:55, saint1977 said:

 

 With Ralph, Semmens and Steele the club is as good as deceased to most of the fanbase, the block 1 nonsense is another nail in the coffin. I can see some midweek gates in the Championship for Rotherham/Luton games next season of below 15k, I hope Dragan has deep pockets to cover the losses unless the club hits the automatic places early on and stays there. 

 

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Can't see that happening, unless of course we find a shit manager who's level is League 1.

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Piran

Piran

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  On 07/10/2022 at 23:55, saint1977 said:

It certainly feels that way with no leadership on or off the pitch, dithering and hands off ownership. The change of manager and attitude needed to happen before the Everton to have a realistic chance of staying up and with the striker fiasco in the summer window itโ€™d take a miracle now. 

The club is leaking like a sieve to the media it seems with a very young squad miles out of its depth. 2008/9 all over again and the outcome looks very similar. Hopefully SR has a plan to reboot, find a Kompany type figure next summer with a bit of presence, who will add experienced second tiers to the younger talent and whom they can learn from. With Ralph, Semmens and Steele the club is as good as deceased to most of the fanbase, the block 1 nonsense is another nail in the coffin. I can see some midweek gates in the Championship for Rotherham/Luton games next season of below 15k, I hope Dragan has deep pockets to cover the losses unless the club hits the automatic places early on and stays there. 

This season has turned its toes. Next season could be better in a lower division, clear the rest of any Gao era people, plus this security manager out over the rest of this season and bring people in who care about who they work for, who have some professional pride in listening and want to restore the clubโ€™s identity. Fans engagement a priority as well, the side has been pathetic to watch for months and for years at home, back to 2017. 

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What a little ray of sunshine you are, saint1977!

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once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 07/10/2022 at 17:21, CB Fry said:

None of that is relevant to the point in hand. 

Which is, as we know, that you are utterly full of shit and you know it.

You didn't predict we'd win the league that August, and you know it.

Just one of two idiot Saints fans on here that didn't celebrate across two hugely enjoyable seasons.

I fucking loved it, it was absolutely delicious. Suck it up. Suck it right up.

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Are you a bit simple? I think you're confusing me with someone else?  Can you find a single post I've made where I didn't celebrate our two promotions?  I though they were great.  Those seasons  (and the first season in L1) were the most enjoyable I've had as a Saints fan since the early 80s.  They were amazing and I even got to see us win a trophy at Wembley.

The point being debated is what level of manager is (amazing chap) Nigel Adkins.  I would say L1 as the only decent season he had in the 2nd tier was with us where he had a squad of players several who would go onto to play for their countries, win PL/CL medals, etc.

I've had a lot of abuse for daring to say that but no one has given a shred of evidence to backup any thoughts that he's better than L1.  

once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 10/10/2022 at 22:56, Lighthouse said:

Changing the subject, Zidane was not a world class player. He only won the World Cup once and that was with a squad full of really talented players.

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Tenuous.  If you are just talking about the once every 4 year competition then you have to say Zidane was also a runner up as well as, after all, runner's ups is all Nige really has in his trophy cabinet.

Other than that:

Player

Bordeaux[14]

Juventus[14]

Real Madrid[14]

France[14]

Individual

 

 

Against:

 

Player-manager[edit]

Bangor City

Manager[edit]

Scunthorpe United

Southampton

 

And obviously his all-world Smashing Bloke Title.

 

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 10/10/2022 at 22:56, Lighthouse said:

Changing the subject, Zidane was not a world class player. He only won the World Cup once and that was with a squad full of really talented players.

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Yeah, he was shit.

Give me Moi Elyounoussi any day.

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 10/10/2022 at 14:34, once_bitterne said:

Are you a bit simple? I think you're confusing me with someone else?  Can you find a single post I've made where I didn't celebrate our two promotions?  I though they were great.  Those seasons  (and the first season in L1) were the most enjoyable I've had as a Saints fan since the early 80s.  They were amazing and I even got to see us win a trophy at Wembley.

The point being debated is what level of manager is (amazing chap) Nigel Adkins.  I would say L1 as the only decent season he had in the 2nd tier was with us where he had a squad of players several who would go onto to play for their countries, win PL/CL medals, etc.

I've had a lot of abuse for daring to say that but no one has given a shred of evidence to backup any thoughts that he's better than L1.  

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This is all, like, really super cute but you continue to run away from the fundamental point in hand.

Which is this:

  On 05/10/2022 at 14:14, once_bitterne said:

He just wasn't a very good manager.  With our squad and financial backing we shouldn't have been scraping through automatically and coming second to a Reading team who had nowhere near the level of players we did and who were relegated with 28 points the following season.

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You keep avoiding the question because we all know the answer.

You did not predict in August 2011 that we would win the league at a canter, so much so that finishing second would be a total failure.

You didn't say it, you didn't think it. 

You won't have a "shred of evidence" to show that you thought that, will you? Not even a weeny little shred.

You've just constructed a little fairy story in your head years later.

You're utterly full of shit.

But I'm sure you are a lovely bloke though x x x x

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once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 12/10/2022 at 10:53, CB Fry said:

This is all, like, really super cute but you continue to run away from the fundamental point in hand.

Which is this:

You keep avoiding the question because we all know the answer.

You did not predict in August 2011 that we would win the league at a canter, so much so that finishing second would be a total failure.

You didn't say it, you didn't think it. 

You won't have a "shred of evidence" to show that you thought that, will you? Not even a weeny little shred.

You've just constructed a little fairy story in your head years later.

You're utterly full of shit.

But I'm sure you are a lovely bloke though x x x x

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"Super Cute"?  Are you 15?

I'm not sure if a manager whose level was L1 could ever be described as being very good...

 

CB Fry

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  On 12/10/2022 at 11:16, once_bitterne said:

"Super Cute"?  Are you 15?

I'm not sure if a manager whose level was L1 could ever be described as being very good...

 

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He was great for us,  you seem to hate that fact because you're some weirdo but crack on sweetheart.

But really my only, repeated point, is that you are utterly full of shit.

@trousers Thanks finding that. I have no idea how to search on this forum. Not that I needed to. I knew I was right.

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  On 12/10/2022 at 11:29, S-Clarke said:

Good searching, but it was Pardew. We got Adkins in Sept of that year after a very bumpy august.

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Yep... my cock-up on that one admitted.... fair cop

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