gr00031 Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Just saw this on twitter: Errors leading to a goal in the top 5 European Leagues this season: Arsenal (11) Real Betis (10) Sevilla (9) Benevento (9) Southampton (9) 9 goals! Appreciate you'll always have defenders making mistake, but 9 goals out of 41 conceded suggests around 20% of all our goals conceded are from mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Just saw this on twitter: Errors leading to a goal in the top 5 European Leagues this season: Arsenal (11) Real Betis (10) Sevilla (9) Benevento (9) Southampton (9) 9 goals! Appreciate you'll always have defenders making mistake, but 9 goals out of 41 conceded suggests around 20% of all our goals conceded are from mistakes. They also mentioned during the game on Saturday that we gave the opposition a very high amount of meaningful chances (not sure what they count as meaningful.) I'm sure this would contrast strongly with our previous teams who I am sure would have been extremely miserly in terms or giving chances away- which is why Forster looks so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 They also mentioned during the game on Saturday that we gave the opposition a very high amount of meaningful chances (not sure what they count as meaningful.) I'm sure this would contrast strongly with our previous teams who I am sure would have been extremely miserly in terms or giving chances away- which is why Forster looks so good.yes heard that. something like (before the Burnley game) 10 of the last 17 shots on target at our end had result in conceding a goal. Weird stat then again, when you hope Yoshida is not injured then we have fundamentally dropped in standard at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Just saw this on twitter: Errors leading to a goal in the top 5 European Leagues this season: Arsenal (11) Real Betis (10) Sevilla (9) Benevento (9) Southampton (9) 9 goals! Appreciate you'll always have defenders making mistake, but 9 goals out of 41 conceded suggests around 20% of all our goals conceded are from mistakes. Pretty damning, but wouldn't matter as much if we scored more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 yes heard that. something like (before the Burnley game) 10 of the last 17 shots on target at our end had result in conceding a goal. Weird stat then again, when you hope Yoshida is not injured then we have fundamentally dropped in standard at the back It's a pretty accurate stat I would say. This season is frustrating partly because we don't look completely useless. If we were really poor quality like a Derby for example and were just getting laid siege to every game than you can resign yourself to it and just accept that you weren't good enough. It's worse with saints at the moment because we don't actually give away that many chances for a team virtually in the relegation zone, it's just that the few that we do give away usually results in a goal. There haven't been that many games this season where I think we have been really battered (Leicester at home springs to mind), it's really been a slow death where the opposition nicks a goal and we have subsequently played like we are in a training match without any sign of getting back into things. That's primarily why people have been calling for a change of manager because we do look vaguely competent which makes you believe that a manager setting us up differently would cause an upturn in results (watch us not get near Saturdays finishing team again now- Gabbi only got on the pitch because Long is injured!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 https://twitter.com/EuanDewar/status/965355033213718528 This says a lot too- apparently we're top for goals conceded directly after a shot has been saved (Lukaku's or Ayoze Perez' goals at St Marys this season for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 https://twitter.com/EuanDewar/status/965355033213718528 This says a lot too- apparently we're top for goals conceded directly after a shot has been saved (Lukaku's or Ayoze Perez' goals at St Marys this season for example) Does the Barnes goal on Saturday count in that stat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 https://twitter.com/EuanDewar/status/965355033213718528 This says a lot too- apparently we're top for goals conceded directly after a shot has been saved (Lukaku's or Ayoze Perez' goals at St Marys this season for example)all but one scored past Forster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Does the Barnes goal on Saturday count in that stat? yeah should do! watfords first goal also springs to mind (the 2-2 away game with the handball). like our defenders are on custard or just don't have the instinct that attackers possess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Our central defenders are slow to react. Hoedt especially is often caught napping. How we miss all those last ditch clearances Fonte used to make, the assured defensive partnerships he had with Lovren, Alderweireld and van Dijk and the way our central defenders used to dominate in the air, as they had to because Forster never came off his line for crosses and corners. Stephens is a very promising footballer but he is not a Premier League central defender yet and I'm not sure that Hoedt will ever have the speed of thought and foot to be one. Of course, we also miss the protection that Wanyama used to offer in front of the back four. As with our lack of goals, these defensive problems are symptomatic of the way the squad has been downgraded over the last two years yet there are still those on here who go on about what a strong squad we have. We don't, and it is especially weak in the most important positions of strikers and central defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Our central defenders are slow to react. Hoedt especially is often caught napping. How we miss all those last ditch clearances Fonte used to make, the assured defensive partnerships he had with Lovren, Alderweireld and van Dijk and the way our central defenders used to dominate in the air, as they had to because Forster never came off his line for crosses and corners. Stephens is a very promising footballer but he is not a Premier League central defender yet and I'm not sure that Hoedt will ever have the speed of thought and foot to be one. Of course, we also miss the protection that Wanyama used to offer in front of the back four. As with our lack of goals, these defensive problems are symptomatic of the way the squad has been downgraded over the last two years yet there are still those on here who go on about what a strong squad we have. We don't, and it is especially weak in the most important positions of strikers and central defenders. No I think they go on that we have a stronger squad than our position and performances suggest. In other words, our squad is capable of better than they have given us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Just saw this on twitter: Errors leading to a goal in the top 5 European Leagues this season: Arsenal (11) Real Betis (10) Sevilla (9) Benevento (9) Southampton (9) 9 goals! Appreciate you'll always have defenders making mistake, but 9 goals out of 41 conceded suggests around 20% of all our goals conceded are from mistakes. Are you including the burnley and Watford hand ball goal errors by referees in that stat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Does the Barnes goal on Saturday count in that stat? I would guess not as there was a header by Hendrick before, but the same guy also watched for goals 5/10 secs after and we were still top- so I guess it would fall into that bracket instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Most of them Stephens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Most of them Stephens Nonsense. If anyone has to be blamed it would be Hoedt, 3 goals given away Dire try from his cock ups. Really don't get the hate for Stephens, based on nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 all but one scored past ForsterOne of the most noticeable differences with McCarthy is that he holds far more shots. FF had reached the point where it seemed all he could do was block and hope the ball went safe. Which it usually didn't. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbysouth Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 Nonsense. If anyone has to be blamed it would be Hoedt, 3 goals given away Dire try from his cock ups. Really don't get the hate for Stephens, based on nothing. I'd actually say the defender I always see messing up is Cedric. Tells a lot when 3 of us think 3 different of our defenders are the ones making the most mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 None of them as bad as this though http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43187129 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 26 February, 2018 Share Posted 26 February, 2018 I'd actually say the defender I always see messing up is Cedric. Tells a lot when 3 of us think 3 different of our defenders are the ones making the most mistakes. I would prefer not to blame anyone specifically, but these people that post the nonsense about Stephens really **** me off. It's very easy to identify 3 howlers by Hoedt that directly resulted in goals but some gimps who clearly do not a tally watch games lambasted Jack and don't mention Wesley who is far far worse. In the end its a team thing, if blame is to be apportioned then Tadic and Redmond should be lambasted for the things they give away. But no let's blame Stephens. I wish some one would explain why they have this hatred, bit like Londonderry and Verlaine wither hatred of Steve Davis, has to be some sort of personal issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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