Badger Posted 8 February, 2018 Share Posted 8 February, 2018 I find it hard to believe we lost out because at the last minute Spartak decided they wanted all the money up front ! And even if true why wouldn't we have another target lined up ? Because Dithering Les left it until the last day or so of the transfer window, and no time to go on to Plan B, or C as it might have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 February, 2018 Share Posted 8 February, 2018 Fair enough. It's probably as simple as that. Old Les just doesn't seem very good at negotiating with footballers and managers. I guess, as our head of recruitment, Paul Mitchell used to handle most of that before. Pity Lepzig got him. Seems to be a good fit for both of them. Leipzig are a very ambitious club, currently 3rd in the Bundesligs and looking to build their squad for the Champions League, and they have now got one of the most talented chief scouts in the business. Does seem to be our problem and a recurrent theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 8 February, 2018 Share Posted 8 February, 2018 I wonder how many hours/days/weeks there were between us agreeing a deal with Arsenal/Walcott and Everton coming in with their salary offer. If it was hours then I can understand us being gazumped, but if it was days or weeks between the two events then could that indicate we weren't quick enough to tie him down? I think it happened pretty quickly and if you want to believe me the sum was ridiculous and a lot higher than his Arsenal contract and his demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 8 February, 2018 Share Posted 8 February, 2018 Yes, we did intend to buy Promes. We'll buy him in the summer, provided we stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 9 February, 2018 Share Posted 9 February, 2018 Fair enough. It's probably as simple as that. Old Les just doesn't seem very good at negotiating with footballers and managers. I guess, as our head of recruitment, Paul Mitchell used to handle most of that before. Pity Lepzig got him. Seems to be a good fit for both of them. Leipzig are a very ambitious club, currently 3rd in the Bundesligs and looking to build their squad for the Champions League, and they have now got one of the most talented chief scouts in the business. Forgetting of course, all the very low selling prices we got for our players from Liverpool etc, or have you airbrushed that out from your agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 February, 2018 Share Posted 9 February, 2018 Forgetting of course, all the very low selling prices we got for our players from Liverpool etc, or have you airbrushed that out from your agenda?I don't think lallana or Mané's fees were particularly high. VvD, obviously and Clyne was in his last year so fair doos on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 February, 2018 Share Posted 9 February, 2018 Fair enough. It's probably as simple as that. Old Les just doesn't seem very good at negotiating with footballers and managers. I guess, as our head of recruitment, Paul Mitchell used to handle most of that before. Pity Lepzig got him. Seems to be a good fit for both of them. Leipzig are a very ambitious club, currently 3rd in the Bundesligs and looking to build their squad for the Champions League, and they have now got one of the most talented chief scouts in the business. Makes you wonder how we sign anybody if Les is that bad. Perhaps Lemina and co managed their own transfers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 9 February, 2018 Share Posted 9 February, 2018 It is pretty worrying if people like you reject evidence http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/11229172/southampton-have-quincy-promes-bid-rejected-by-spartak-moscow and believe what ever they think is the reality of the situation. We bid but were not successful Let me re-phrase what I put. I'm not convinced that we truly wanted to sign him. I'm not questioning whether we put a bid in or not necessarily, just that I don't get the feeling we were desperate for him to join. On the flip side you could say that's financially prudent, and it is to a certain extent. I don't want the club to go back to the dark days of administration. But by all accounts the money was there for us to spend, if we are supposed to have bid £25 million and £30 million would apparently have clinched the deal, that doesn't strike me as the club being determined to secure his services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 February, 2018 Share Posted 9 February, 2018 Let me re-phrase what I put. I'm not convinced that we truly wanted to sign him. I'm not questioning whether we put a bid in or not necessarily, just that I don't get the feeling we were desperate for him to join. On the flip side you could say that's financially prudent, and it is to a certain extent. I don't want the club to go back to the dark days of administration. But by all accounts the money was there for us to spend, if we are supposed to have bid £25 million and £30 million would apparently have clinched the deal, that doesn't strike me as the club being determined to secure his services. You have to draw the mark somewhere. £5m is not an insignificant amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 9 February, 2018 Share Posted 9 February, 2018 You have to draw the mark somewhere. £5m is not an insignificant amount. It is when it could be the difference between staying up and relegation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 February, 2018 Share Posted 9 February, 2018 It is when it could be the difference between staying up and relegation! Nothing is that guaranteed. New additions in January are rarely effective immediately and usually take a few months to settle in and become an integral part of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 February, 2018 Share Posted 9 February, 2018 Let me re-phrase what I put. I'm not convinced that we truly wanted to sign him. I'm not questioning whether we put a bid in or not necessarily, just that I don't get the feeling we were desperate for him to join. On the flip side you could say that's financially prudent, and it is to a certain extent. I don't want the club to go back to the dark days of administration. But by all accounts the money was there for us to spend, if we are supposed to have bid £25 million and £30 million would apparently have clinched the deal, that doesn't strike me as the club being determined to secure his services. You have no idea what happened have you. I have no idea either but know we bid £25m which appears to me we wanted him but not at £30m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 10 February, 2018 Share Posted 10 February, 2018 Let me re-phrase what I put. I'm not convinced that we truly wanted to sign him. I'm not questioning whether we put a bid in or not necessarily, just that I don't get the feeling we were desperate for him to join. Nothing says 'I'm not sure if I want to sign this player' like offering another club millions of pounds to sign that player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 10 February, 2018 Share Posted 10 February, 2018 Why don’t we just get behind the team now so much negativity on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 10 February, 2018 Share Posted 10 February, 2018 So if we stay up and he doesn’t sign then is it a broken Promes? Coat procured...where’s the door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 11 February, 2018 Share Posted 11 February, 2018 Nothing says 'I'm not sure if I want to sign this player' like offering another club millions of pounds to sign that player. Unless of course they deliberately wait until it's too late for the selling club to get a replacement. They could also offer a figure and or payment terms that they know will be rejected. They can then say that they have at least tried and that will keep the happy clappers from becoming too upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 11 February, 2018 Share Posted 11 February, 2018 Except that the Russian window is still open.. Anyway, some of you don't appear to understand the concept of budgets and opportunity costs. I'm sure Saints have got £30m, but just because I have £100 in my purse doesn't mean I go out and spend it on a pair of ear-rings I covet when I might want to also spend it on a holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 11 February, 2018 Share Posted 11 February, 2018 Unless of course they deliberately wait until it's too late for the selling club to get a replacement. They could also offer a figure and or payment terms that they know will be rejected. They can then say that they have at least tried and that will keep the happy clappers from becoming too upset. I think you’re getting us confused with West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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