Saint Albert Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 I wouldn't pay much attention to the summer deal waffle. Wouldn't expect there's anything in that, just makes it look a bit better in an initial PR sense. If there was a proper agreement for the summer, then we'd have shouted about it. But there isn't. More ********. I had an initial burst of optimism but no, I’m not really buying what the club’s selling on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Why is that do you think...offer an opinion for once...are you happy with the squad and recruitment policy for the last 18 months? Opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So Spartak wouldn't sell becuase they couldn't get a replacement first..I mean is that allowed? I just assumed it wasn't....other wise why the **** don't we do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 http://live.livewidget.net/streamvideo10/spartak-moscow-vs-cska-sofia-live-stream-4578563.html Here's a link to the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Well well well. Promes isn’t in the Spartak squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So Spartak wouldn't sell becuase they couldn't get a replacement first..I mean is that allowed? I just assumed it wasn't....other wise why the **** don't we do that... Well I think we've moved on to Spartak wouldn't sell because we wouldn't give them the money now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So Spartak wouldn't sell becuase they couldn't get a replacement first..I mean is that allowed? I just assumed it wasn't....other wise why the **** don't we do that... Maybe Les' bonus' are bigger, the earlier the deal's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Well well well. Promes isn’t in the Spartak squad. Youre possibly the worst itk ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Why is that do you think...offer an opinion for once...are you happy with the squad and recruitment policy for the last 18 months? He's not here to talk about football he's the bad opinon police , just moans about others moaning ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Well well well. Promes isn’t in the Spartak squad. You miss the squad announced on the last page then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Well well well. Promes isn’t in the Spartak squad. According to the team list posted by Trousers on the previous page, he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Or if you click on the link to the game he is out there playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So its Les` fault then? But its not is it, it`s spartak calling the shots but blame the club anyway.... I hope the club haters clear off elsewhere... I'm no club hater but if we don't sign a decent player today whilst sitting second from bottom of the league you have to admit the club have failed it trying their best? You never just have one iron in the fire, surely spending two weeks trying to sort this the club knew the situation, I very much doubt Sparta left it until today to say they want the full amount up front. Should have said "See ya then" and worked with a reasonable club. Obviously if we do sign someone this evening then it could be a saving grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Youre possibly the worst itk ever Calm down mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So Spartak wouldn't sell becuase they couldn't get a replacement first..I mean is that allowed? I just assumed it wasn't....other wise why the **** don't we do that... Our business canny board would rather tell the world how much money we’ve got. Run by absolute clowns from top to bottom. We could have (like spurs done) brought in all our targets first (first week of the window), then sign the deal for VvD. If they honestly thought VvD was the issue and reason why we are soo ****, they are even more deluded than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Or if you click on the link to the game he is out there playing. That is also a fairly good sign he’s in their squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Or if you click on the link to the game he is out there playing. Is it him though? Have you checked the shape of his ear lobes? It could be someone just wearing his number and he is down Ocean Village shooting his Facebook introductory video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 That is also a fairly good sign he’s in their squad. His mate probably told him he wasn't; Number 10 Ipomec=Promes Shancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So its Les` fault then? But its not is it, it`s spartak calling the shots but blame the club anyway.... I hope the club haters clear off elsewhere... Of course Spartak are calling the shots, that's a given. The club's (i.e. Les) ability to recognise when a transfer is possible is ripe for scrutiny. As soon as Spartak even mentioned wanting 35m in one lump (which Blackmore's tweet would suggest we knew a "while ago") we should've been looking elsewhere. We should've been able to ascertain whether this would cross the line at least a few days ago, given that we've known a) what we need, and b) how much we have to play with, for a month now. Most clubs in our mini-relegation league have to haggle costs as much as possible due to tight budgets, we had the luxury of the VVD sale, and even with that advantage, we've fluffed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Just give them Redmond and get it done....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Of course Spartak are calling the shots, that's a given. The club's (i.e. Les) ability to recognise when a transfer is possible is ripe for scrutiny. As soon as Spartak even mentioned wanting 35m in one lump (which Blackmore's tweet would suggest we knew a "while ago") we should've been looking elsewhere. We should've been able to ascertain whether this would cross the line at least a few days ago, given that we've known a) what we need, and b) how much we have to play with, for a month now. Most clubs in our mini-relegation league have to haggle costs as much as possible due to tight budgets, we had the luxury of the VVD sale, and even with that advantage, we've fluffed up. Sensible post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So its Les` fault then? But its not is it, it`s spartak calling the shots but blame the club anyway.... I hope the club haters clear off elsewhere... The issue is there doesn't seem to have been much in the way of planning after Walcott happened. As soon as that happened we should have got this done ASAP, and if it looked unlikely move onto another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So is there no chance that this move could still be resurrected before the deadline tonight. I know he's playing for Spartak atm in Spain but there's still a chance surely!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Well well well. Promes isn’t in the Spartak squad. He is. He's playing right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohgulydoprado Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So is there no chance that this move could still be resurrected before the deadline tonight. I know he's playing for Spartak atm in Spain but there's still a chance surely!! Not unless we pull the full release clause amount out of our arsche, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So is there no chance that this move could still be resurrected before the deadline tonight. I know he's playing for Spartak atm in Spain but there's still a chance surely!! No...you just have to let it go. We won't give them what they want which is all of the due money and so it's off. We're probably trying to fob them off with 10 million or so 3 times and they probably can't get credit to buy a replacement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So is there no chance that this move could still be resurrected before the deadline tonight. I know he's playing for Spartak atm in Spain but there's still a chance surely!! I guess it could be back on if he doesn't injury himself. All the risk is with the player and Spartak (assuming he wants to come here and they are happy to sell). Seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Youre possibly the worst itk ever :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 In my opinion the board have royally cocked up from day one of the transfer window. Liverpool have badly wanted VVD and he badly wanted to go.....do not sell your best player until you have replacements signed...otherwise you are asking for a disaster. We then wasted...what was it £19 million on a striker none of us have heard of that last played 90 minutes of football god knows how long ago! This money could have and should have been used to get PROMES in....a fast winger is whats needed....we have an excellent striker in Gabby if the service is provided. Carrillo will now be starved of service like all our strikers have been this season...(he will now bang a hatrick this evening!) This whole season has been shambolic and we will be going down without any doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So it turns out we’ve bid his clause, but in order to activate it, it needs to be upfront - we are refusing to pay up front :lol: Mr GAO obviously doesn’t realise that the cash cow slows significantly when you’re in the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Surely they would accept 50% now and 50% next season...? Especially as they have now brought in another player. We should have hijacked that move if they were not going to sell to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 In my opinion the board have royally cocked up from day one of the transfer window. Liverpool have badly wanted VVD and he badly wanted to go.....do not sell your best player until you have replacements signed...otherwise you are asking for a disaster. We then wasted...what was it £19 million on a striker none of us have heard of that last played 90 minutes of football god knows how long ago! This money could have and should have been used to get PROMES in....a fast winger is whats needed....we have an excellent striker in Gabby if the service is provided. Carrillo will now be starved of service like all our strikers have been this season...(he will now bang a hatrick this evening!) This whole season has been shambolic and we will be going down without any doubt. The mistake was (with hindsight admittedly) keeping vvd through the summer window. This left us with a want away, underperforming and disruptive player. This also prevented us from purchasing the players we needed to balance the playing squad and has left us panicking in this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Surely they would accept 50% now and 50% next season...? Especially as they have now brought in another player. We should have hijacked that move if they were not going to sell to us. Why ? They don't want to sell him anyway so why accept payment on the never, never? It was up to us to stump up the full amount. If we couldn't then don't mess about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So it turns out we’ve bid his clause, but in order to activate it, it needs to be upfront - we are refusing to pay up front :lol: Mr GAO obviously doesn’t realise that the cash cow slows significantly when you’re in the championship He's probably regretting the initial outlay already anyway. Still think it was dodgy myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 how ironic that Spartak are not selling because they do not have a replacement lined up? Why do we not employ these same tactics instead of always buying after we sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So it turns out we’ve bid his clause, but in order to activate it, it needs to be upfront - we are refusing to pay up front :lol: Mr GAO obviously doesn’t realise that the cash cow slows significantly when you’re in the championship Very few clubs pay full fee up front as they are not paid up front, scousers didn't so we probably can`t either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 how ironic that Spartak are not selling because they do not have a replacement lined up? Why do we not employ these same tactics instead of always buying after we sell?because VvD was the reason we are shyt. now that he has gone....... remember rumours that Fonte was supposed to be an arse 12 months ago when we failed to bring anyone in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 because VvD was the reason we are shyt. now that he has gone....... remember rumours that Fonte was supposed to be an arse 12 months ago when we failed to bring anyone in Everyone we sell is pure evil #liarles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 (edited) Why is that do you think...offer an opinion for once...are you happy with the squad and recruitment policy for the last 18 months? NO!! and have posted opinion several times and if you read i am only condemning the abuse and childish bile aimed at certain individuals as being ott Some are actually enjoying our difficulties too... can you believe it Ron ? Edited 31 January, 2018 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Very few clubs pay full fee up front as they are not paid up front, scousers didn't so we probably can`t either Can’t and won’t are 2 very different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 (edited) Gab Marcotti discussed release clauses on his podcast. They are basically the player buying out his contract . There's a case in china at the moment . The Chinese government have imposed a 100% tax on foreign players worth over £5 million to clamp down on capital flight. A club have paid millions for a spainish player by meeting his release clause but are claiming they've paid nothing as he was a free agent. Fifa have agreed that he's bought out his own contract, and it's now down to the Chinese authorities to determine whether bunging the player the release money is subject to this tax. Fifa have accepted they've paid £0 for him and he's a free agent. How does this relate to us? Well clearly release clauses are upfront payments and it's up to the selling club to agree to change this. I doubt many clubs would cough up £35 million in one lump sum, certainly not us. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited 31 January, 2018 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Can’t and won’t are 2 very different things. True but do you seriously think having gone through all this negotiations that we would`nt if we could afford too. Please give a honest opinion not based on your opinion of Les Reed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 True but do you seriously think having gone through all this negotiations that we would`nt if we could afford too. Please give a honest opinion not based on your opinion of Les ReedSo why didn't we move on to an alternative? Surely our black box could have come up with an alternative here is one Andre Schurle pace can play across line. Used to Prem...better than no-one Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So why didn't we move on to an alternative? Surely our black box could have come up with an alternative here is one Andre Schurle pace can play across line. Used to Prem...better than no-one Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Any move for Schurle ended when Dortmund lost their ukranian fella. They need to keep him now. Plus he was lined up for Swansea anyway, so they've now seemingly moved onto Ayew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So why didn't we move on to an alternative? Surely our black box could have come up with an alternative here is one Andre Schurle pace can play across line. Used to Prem...better than no-one Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Because we probably thought they'd cave in, I mean we do so everybody does right !! Also the Black Box ran on Windows 95 and since it got an automatic update to W10 the screen has gone all fuzzy. Or Mitchell took the bloody instructions with him, that's a possibility I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So Spartak have signed Hanni from Anderecht. Does this mean anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 So Spartak have signed Hanni from Anderecht. Does this mean anything? Seeing as he played in their game in Spain aprox 1hr ago, probably not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Any move for Schurle ended when Dortmund lost their ukranian fella. They need to keep him now. Plus he was lined up for Swansea anyway, so they've now seemingly moved onto Ayew.Money talks.....and not left until last day might have been different. Why gamble on no-one? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 Any move for Schurle ended when Dortmund lost their ukranian fella. They need to keep him now. Plus he was lined up for Swansea anyway, so they've now seemingly moved onto Ayew.You mean Swansea quickly moved to an alternative plan once it becane clear they weren't getting the player they wanted on the last day? What a novel idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 31 January, 2018 Share Posted 31 January, 2018 I’m a desperate man. If Spartak have signed Hanni what’s to stop us signing Promes after his match this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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