Faz Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 I wouldn't pay that amount for him............... unproven at prem level could be gash You need to be fumng if we pay that amount if you're serious about balancing the arguement.
Window Cleaner Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 I wouldn't pay that amount for him............... unproven at prem level could be gash No, no you've got it all wrong, the "fans" want a constant stream of new players, costing greater and greater sums. Whether they'll be of any use is neither here nor there.. Last year it was Boufal and then Gabbi followed by Lemina. None of them starts every game though. On the other hand those old faves JWP, Long and Davis start more often than not.
Saint86 Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Why are you saying this as if you have any idea? ITK
Saint Matty 76 Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Let's never sign a foreign player again.
aintforever Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Think we need to accept that we are not going to get value for money. We've just sold a player for £75mill and are staring relegation in the face - we're going to get fleeced whoever we buy. No point being tight fisted and end up relegated.
trousers Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Some great memories looking back at that old youtube channel......and some not so great memories given that there are interviews from Mark Fry on there. Just watching those.... can't believe its nearly 10 years ago.... must be getting old
the saint in winchester Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Think we need to accept that we are not going to get value for money. We've just sold a player for £75mill and are staring relegation in the face - we're going to get fleeced whoever we buy. No point being tight fisted and end up relegated. On the one hand, this. On the other, a £5M saving to the kitty allows us to maybe bring in another player, albeit from a lower level.
simo Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 It looks like another bout of "blag the fans" , if we really want him pay the release clause and get him if not stop releasing names to the press with the aim of fooling fans that they had any intention of buying these stars !
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 It looks like another bout of "blag the fans" , if we really want him pay the release clause and get him if not stop releasing names to the press with the aim of fooling fans that they had any intention of buying these stars ! Would`nt want you involved in any negotiations for me... If you go to buy a used car do you pay the first price put up by seller? Players(in most cases) are priced to allow for negotiations.
ericb Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Why are you saying this as if you have any idea? Because he's right
davefizzy14 Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Because he's right Hopefully we will have some good news shortly then ericb
Saint Matty 76 Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Because he's right Fingers crossed! A lot of people on here seem to love pretending to be ITK so it's easy to be skeptical.
Faz Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Because he's right Right that he'll be fumng, or right that we should just pay whaever the selling club wants us to pay, and on whatever terms they want? Or right that personal terms have been agreed?
Sheaf Saint Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 BBC are reporting that he wants to come to us. If the rumours about him being at SMS for the Watford game are to be believed, then he has probably already agreed personal terms. This latest 'rejection' seems to me to be just a standard part of any negotiation. We want to pay amount X, Spartak want amount Y, and we'll end up agreeing an amount somewhere in between. Just look at the number of bids that Arsenal had turned down for Aubameyang before it finally happened today. I have no ITK credentials, but I'm fairly confident this will still happen. It seems to be too far down the line to fall through now.
Manuel Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Who needs the deal more, us or Spartak? Has to be Spartak's record outgoing transfer, but it's us in the bottom three... not surprised they're squeezing us.
ericb Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Right that he'll be fumng, or right that we should just pay whaever the selling club wants us to pay, and on whatever terms they want? Or right that personal terms have been agreed? Right that personal terms have been agreed
simo Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Would`nt want you involved in any negotiations for me... If you go to buy a used car do you pay the first price put up by seller? Players(in most cases) are priced to allow for negotiations. No but it also doesn't take me a whole month to agree on a price ! When bidding on ebay if there is a buy it now price that is reasonable I generally buy it at that price so I don't miss out , not that me buying a car or anything from ebay has the consequences we will have to pay if we get relegated !
sadoldgit Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Think we need to accept that we are not going to get value for money. We've just sold a player for £75mill and are staring relegation in the face - we're going to get fleeced whoever we buy. No point being tight fisted and end up relegated. We could pay more and still end up getting relegated.
Heisenberg Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 You can imagine how Reed negotiates. LR: 23.8M Moscow: 30m LR: 23.9M Moscow: 30m LR: 24M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.1M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.2M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.3M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.4M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.5M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.6M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.7M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.8M Moscow: 30m Everton: 30M Moscow: Sold!
qwertyell Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Still can't believe we haven't chucked a £15m bid in for Sisto.Word. He's a gem. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk
Wade Garrett Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Not going to hang Les just yet. Still time to get this deal over the line.
Window Cleaner Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 You can imagine how Reed negotiates. LR: 23.8M Moscow: 30m LR: 23.9M Moscow: 30m LR: 24M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.1M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.2M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.3M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.4M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.5M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.6M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.7M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.8M Moscow: 30m Everton: 30M Moscow: Sold! Spartak are playing Les like the idiot he often appears to be. Let the player come and have a look around, get personal terms and stuff out of the way, make sure the fans know all about it to boot and then turn down every offer until they get whatever it is that they want .
Window Cleaner Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Not going to hang Les just yet. Still time to get this deal over the line. But probably for a price that've got the job done a month ago. Spartak don't play in the winter so they'd no interest in hanging on to him except for the full price they want.
SaintLondon Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 I don't want to be pessimistic but i'm counting down the hours until Adam Blackmore tells us it'll be a quiet night for Saints as their transfer business was wrapped up nice and early.
sadoldgit Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 You can imagine how Reed negotiates. LR: 23.8M Moscow: 30m LR: 23.9M Moscow: 30m LR: 24M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.1M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.2M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.3M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.4M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.5M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.6M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.7M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.8M Moscow: 30m Everton: 30M Moscow: Sold! Or there’s the Saints Web way. Us - “How much do you want for him?” Them - “How much have you got?” Us - “£75m”. Them - “Done!”
shurlock Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 (edited) Or there’s the Saints Web way. Us - “How much do you want for him?” Them - “How much have you got?” Us - “£75m”. Them - “Done!” Is that how you negotiate when someone holds you up at a cashpoint machine in Maidstone town centre on a Saturday night out pal? Edited 30 January, 2018 by shurlock
Barry the Badger Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 It looks like another bout of "blag the fans" , if we really want him pay the release clause and get him if not stop releasing names to the press with the aim of fooling fans that they had any intention of buying these stars ! Do you honestly believe that people at the club are putting all this time into a transfer with no intention of seeing it through. So many hilarious conspiracy theories on here.
Faz Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 No but it also doesn't take me a whole month to agree on a price ! When bidding on ebay if there is a buy it now price that is reasonable I generally buy it at that price so I don't miss out , not that me buying a car or anything from ebay has the consequences we will have to pay if we get relegated ! If only there was an ebay for footballers. The transfer window would be so much easier.
Nordic Saint Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Or there’s the Saints Web way. Us - “How much do you want for him?” Them - “How much have you got?” Us - “£75m”. Them - “Done!” That certainly seems to have been the Les Reed way with Carrillo. He paid a ridiculously high price for a player Monaco were desperate to get rid of, who nobody else wanted.
simo Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Do you honestly believe that people at the club are putting all this time into a transfer with no intention of seeing it through. So many hilarious conspiracy theories on here. What time exactly are they putting in except leaking a few stories to the papers ? So many gullible's on here that will believe anything !
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 You can imagine how Reed negotiates. LR: 23.8M Moscow: 30m LR: 23.9M Moscow: 30m LR: 24M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.1M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.2M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.3M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.4M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.5M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.6M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.7M Moscow: 30m LR: 24.8M Moscow: 30m Everton: 30M Moscow: Sold! They have turned down 25m... Do keep up with facts before you troll
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Is that how you negotiate when someone holds you up at a cashpoint machine in Maidstone town centre on a Saturday night out pal? You seem to be getting a bit obsessed with sadolgit bit like hypo was ...
Gorgiesaint Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Would`nt want you involved in any negotiations for me... If you go to buy a used car do you pay the first price put up by seller? Players(in most cases) are priced to allow for negotiations. Except when you're buying a used car it's generally up for sale first, which Promes isn't. Spartak don't want to sell. Unless you buy your cars by going round your neighbourhood, seeing a nice car on someone's drive and knocking on their door offering to buy it. Most people will tell you to eff off.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Except when you're buying a used car it's generally up for sale first, which Promes isn't. Spartak don't want to sell. Unless you buy your cars by going round your neighbourhood, seeing a nice car on someone's drive and knocking on their door offering to buy it. Most people will tell you to eff off. If he isn't for sale why are they asking for 30m then?
saintwbu Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 If he isn't for sale why are they asking for 30m then? I'm not sure a release clause technically counts as 'for sale', to be fair.
Suhari Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 I don't want to be pessimistic but i'm counting down the hours until Adam Blackmore tells us it'll be a quiet night for Saints as their transfer business was wrapped up nice and early. And how we don't panic buy, we plan ahead, we don't over pay. At any one time we have a number of possible players in the pipeline. As demonstrated by our signing of Caracas (or whatever his name was) last January window.
Give it to Ron Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Mahrez not up for sale City bid 60m- Mahrez puts in transfer request. Maybe Promes will do same....no cant see that. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
Nordic Saint Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 To be fair, apart from what clubs' PR people 'leak' we have no idea what fee has been asked or offered. Even players and their agents wouldn't necessarily be privy to that information.
Faz Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 That certainly seems to have been the Les Reed way with Carrillo. He paid a ridiculously high price for a player Monaco were desperate to get rid of, who nobody else wanted. How do you know this?
sadoldgit Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Is that how you negotiate when someone holds you up at a cashpoint machine in Maidstone town centre on a Saturday night out pal? I didnt think that you got to negotiate if you were being held up at a cash point. Perhaps they have a better class of villain where you live? Pal.
Window Cleaner Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 If he isn't for sale why are they asking for 30m then? Have we not established that there's a buy out clause in activity and that the figure is 30 million something or others ? This is how release clauses work, you pay the exact sum and the player is free to move on no matter what the club holding the contract with the clause wants. Thing is it's usually all payable at once in that case. Clubs may however negociate a lesser sum and different terms but for that they have to want to do that. If they don't well it's pay up or tough titty.
SKD Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Have we not established that there's a buy out clause in activity and that the figure is 30 million something or others ? This is how release clauses work, you pay the exact sum and the player is free to move on no matter what the club holding the contract with the clause wants. Thing is it's usually all payable at once in that case. Clubs may however negociate a lesser sum and different terms but for that they have to want to do that. If they don't well it's pay up or tough titty. This has come up a few times in the past. Some on here really struggle to grasp the simple concept of a release clause.
Graffito Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 Have we not established that there's a buy out clause in activity and that the figure is 30 million something or others ? This is how release clauses work, you pay the exact sum and the player is free to move on no matter what the club holding the contract with the clause wants. Thing is it's usually all payable at once in that case. Clubs may however negociate a lesser sum and different terms but for that they have to want to do that. If they don't well it's pay up or tough titty. How do you know release clauses are usually payable up front? Surely it depends on the terms of the release clause in each contract doesn’t it?
Window Cleaner Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 How do you know release clauses are usually payable up front? Surely it depends on the terms of the release clause in each contract doesn’t it? Because that's the way they work. A player literally buys his freedom, there is no never, never on release clauses. A club who which wants to sell may negaociate another sort of deal but if it's a straightforward release clause someone pays and the player is a free agent.
Chez Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 On SSN now: Southampton have £25m bid for Quincy Promes rejected how on earth do they know that?
saintmatt Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 You need to be fumng if we pay that amount if you're serious about balancing the arguement.
Window Cleaner Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 how on earth do they know that? Spartak probably told them. They know they've got Saints by the danglys. They know the club cave in to fan pressure and they know that fans know all about it.
Faz Posted 30 January, 2018 Posted 30 January, 2018 I choose to believe this random post for no reasonable or sensible criteria whatsoever
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