SaintMB Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 I’m pretty sure the scouting setup is a little bit more involved than looking at the players goals per game ratio on Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 I’m pretty sure the scouting setup is a little bit more involved than looking at the players goals per game ratio on Wikipedia. The same scouting set up that has left us with the prolific Shane Long as our lone striker.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 The same scouting set up that has left us with the prolific Shane Long as our lone striker.... Or Redmond as our defence destroying Mané replacement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 I’m pretty sure the scouting setup is a little bit more involved than looking at the players goals per game ratio on Wikipedia. your point being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 How would this guy qualify for a work permit? No internationals, does he have a Spanish passport or something? He has an Italian passport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 I’m pretty sure the scouting setup is a little bit more involved than looking at the players goals per game ratio on Wikipedia. Given recent 'successes' then I'd suggest they take the Wikipedia route from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 The same scouting set up that has left us with the prolific Shane Long as our lone striker.... I thought it was the board's decision not to invest in the player base that was the issue, not the scouting setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 I thought it was the board's decision not to invest in the player base that was the issue, not the scouting setup? THe scouting setup said he was a good signing in the first place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 6 January, 2018 Share Posted 6 January, 2018 I’m pretty sure the scouting setup is a little bit more involved than looking at the players goals per game ratio on Wikipedia. Perhaps the black box is a little over technical...perhaps it finds "technically" good players. Perhaps we need to go a bit back to basics and buy someone who just scores (like we did with Austin- I don't reckon he was a black box find!) Maybe the black box runs of Expected goals...it's all the rage but ignores the fact that actually it's the real goals which win you matches... Look at Andy Caroll the other night..did absolutely nothing all game...except put the ball in the net twice and won the game for West Ham...at present a goal scorer is more important than some one technically gifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Carrillo scored a hattrick yesterday so any move surely made tougher. Shame as we badly need a frontman with physical presence. The goal stats quoted by many are misleading. He has now scored 8 in his 7 games where he has played more than 15mins, so is in good form. Probably too good for them to let him go and possibly for him to be interested now. Clearly though, with links to Carrillo, Benteke and Carroll that we are looking for a particular type of player. Its a crucial signing so hopefully we get what we want and not a cheapo option that becomes a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Carrillo scored a hattrick yesterday so any move surely made tougher. Shame as we badly need a frontman with physical presence. The goal stats quoted by many are misleading. He has now scored 8 in his 7 games where he has played more than 15mins, so is in good form. Probably too good for them to let him go and possibly for him to be interested now. Clearly though, with links to Carrillo, Benteke and Carroll that we are looking for a particular type of player. Its a crucial signing so hopefully we get what we want and not a cheapo option that becomes a sub. Against a fourth division French team in the cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Carrillo scored a hattrick yesterday so any move surely made tougher. Shame as we badly need a frontman with physical presence. The goal stats quoted by many are misleading. He has now scored 8 in his 7 games where he has played more than 15mins, so is in good form. Probably too good for them to let him go and possibly for him to be interested now. Clearly though, with links to Carrillo, Benteke and Carroll that we are looking for a particular type of player. Its a crucial signing so hopefully we get what we want and not a cheapo option that becomes a sub. As Dusic says, against 4th division opponents. The fact he played yesterday says to me a move isn’t close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 January, 2018 Author Share Posted 7 January, 2018 I'm sure we are relaxed about the situation. I'm sure we will reinvest all of the £75m.... Over several windows..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 I'm sure we are relaxed about the situation. I'm sure we will reinvest all of the £75m.... Over several windows..... Probably because they won't pick up the full fee up front. It's standard practice to pay for players over a number of seasons. For example: http://www.juventus.com/media/native/investor-relations-docs/italiano/comunicati/2017/comunicato%2008082017%20lemina%20eng.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 January, 2018 Author Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Probably because they won't pick up the full fee up front. It's standard practice to pay for players over a number of seasons. For example: http://www.juventus.com/media/native/investor-relations-docs/italiano/comunicati/2017/comunicato%2008082017%20lemina%20eng.pdf I'm aware of that, George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Probably because they won't pick up the full fee up front. It's standard practice to pay for players over a number of seasons. For example: http://www.juventus.com/media/native/investor-relations-docs/italiano/comunicati/2017/comunicato%2008082017%20lemina%20eng.pdf One of the big “fan appeasing” messages was would receive a large chunk upfront. Perhaps that was another lie? A cheeky alternative might be to use some of the £200m from prior player/manager sales or some of the £250m we’ve got from the premier league/sky/gates this past 18 months? Just an idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 I'm aware of that, George. Fair enough. FWIW, providing we bring in the two attackers we need in this window, I'd be fairly happy to save a chunk for the summer when the prices are less inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Imagine a count that judged it on one game. Carroll isn't some donkey who scores 20 a season. He's a donkey who scores a handful, gets injured and plays badly most the time. Gabbiadini is a technically good footballer who'll score goals if you actually attack and give him the ball. Just amazed how quickly fans get bored of 17mn strikers and just want new ones every window. WTF you on about? I thought everyone, including the club, agreed we need a frontman? Obviously not then. Don't ever make the squad better eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 January, 2018 Author Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Fair enough. FWIW, providing we bring in the two attackers we need in this window, I'd be fairly happy to save a chunk for the summer when the prices are less inflated. I think my original sarcasm on post #114 was mainly aimed at the subtle shifting in how our media spun articles have slowly started to change. Agree about needing 2 attackers - It's an over simplification from me, but we basically need a "Pelle" & "Mane". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 As Dusic says, against 4th division opponents. The fact he played yesterday says to me a move isn’t close He obviously isn't the one house hunting in Winchester then! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 I think my original sarcasm on post #114 was mainly aimed at the subtle shifting in how our media spun articles have slowly started to change. Agree about needing 2 attackers - It's an over simplification from me, but we basically need a "Pelle" & "Mane". I agree, we basically need a Pele and a Mane, the irony is that when we had them people on this forum mocked and ridiculed them and were happy to see them go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 I agree, we basically need a Pele and a Mane, the irony is that when we had them people on this forum mocked and ridiculed them and were happy to see them go. Did they? Half a dozen people at most..... Hardly a representation of the fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Did they? Half a dozen people at most..... Hardly a representation of the fanbase. That's no the way I remember it. Pelle was regularly getting slated for his immobility and lack of pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 That's no the way I remember it. Pelle was regularly getting slated for his immobility and lack of pace. Maybe a small but noisy minority? Batman for example was posting frequently about his dislike. Think the majority of fans were largely content during the Koeman era. Worry for me was always the momentum curve and my caution to resist getting over excited has proved wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 That's no the way I remember it. Pelle was regularly getting slated for his immobility and lack of pace. Pelle was booed on his first home game for us, which is still shamefull to this day. Our fans can be right dicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 January, 2018 Author Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Yeah, Pelle got battered on here & in the stands. I remember being so happy for him when he got that mega late goal in the cup. Was it against Millwall? He was SO happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Yeah, Pelle got battered on here & in the stands. I remember being so happy for him when he got that mega late goal in the cup. Was it against Millwall? He was SO happy! Yeah his first goal was against Millwall, he did everything in the game bar score until the final 10 mins. Then he went on and got another at WHU and that was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Yeah his first goal was against Millwall, he did everything in the game bar score until the final 10 mins. Then he went on and got another at WHU and that was that. I seem to recall a lot on here slagging Pelle big time when he went months without scoring during both seasons with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Did they? Half a dozen people at most..... Hardly a representation of the fanbase. You think this forum is a fair representation of the fan base at any juncture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Pelle was booed on his first home game for us, which is still shamefull to this day. Our fans can be right dicks. I really don't remember that. If you're talking about that 0-0 West Brom game, I seem to recall there were boos at the final whistle but nothing aimed at him personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 I really don't remember that. If you're talking about that 0-0 West Brom game, I seem to recall there were boos at the final whistle but nothing aimed at him personally. Afraid there was behind me in the Itchen, a lot of ironic cheers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 I really don't remember that. If you're talking about that 0-0 West Brom game, I seem to recall there were boos at the final whistle but nothing aimed at him personally. Yeah, there were unfortunatley a lot of jeers directed directly towards him whenever he touched the ball - where i was in the kingsland anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Probably because they won't pick up the full fee up front. It's standard practice to pay for players over a number of seasons. For example: http://www.juventus.com/media/native/investor-relations-docs/italiano/comunicati/2017/comunicato%2008082017%20lemina%20eng.pdf Reported that it would be £70m up front, with £5m add-ons. 10% (£7m) to Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 £70m guaranteed rather than upfront is my understanding. This is why club planning to spend it over several transfer windows. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Pelle was booed on his first home game for us, which is still shamefull to this day. Our fans can be right dicks. It was earlier than that. I was at Anfield for his debut and people were moaning about him then. First ****ing game ffs Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Why haven’t we signed anyone immediately? We’ve know about VVDs departure for ages. Others are signing. We should have had the first few transfers in the bag already surely? Les Reed.... mmmmmmm Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Or Redmond as our defence destroying Mané replacement...I get the sarcasm but in the last couple of games he came on set up a gilt edged chance for Austin and Gabbi yesterday...but don't let your dislike get in the way of good judgement. With quick minded players alongside him with pace he would be a very good player. It seems to me the manager has put shackles on him. Pep cant be that poor a judge, he is also frustrated seeing how Redmond has had his progress stalled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 We have a 6ft 4inch fast centre forward who would cost nothing on bloody loan at birmingham knocking in goals .......someone tell les ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Why haven’t we signed anyone immediately? We’ve know about VVDs departure for ages. Others are signing. We should have had the first few transfers in the bag already surely? Les Reed.... mmmmmmm Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I put a thread up about this last week. As always there were the yes men who said I was wrong and there is plenty of time. I also notice the smoke and mirrors how Ralph was said to have said the 75 would be put back but now it seems that has changed to over the next few years. It is comical how the PL millions are forgotten and only once we sell for a fantastic price that is used as the excuse of a budget. The fans have the wool pulled over their eyes all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Maybe we should stop playing with any strikers, they just distract from the important work playing sideways and backwards. We could then buy Peter Crouch and bring him on for the last 10 mins. We might stop the losses and get the occasional win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 I put a thread up about this last week. As always there were the yes men who said I was wrong and there is plenty of time. I also notice the smoke and mirrors how Ralph was said to have said the 75 would be put back but now it seems that has changed to over the next few years. It is comical how the PL millions are forgotten and only once we sell for a fantastic price that is used as the excuse of a budget. The fans have the wool pulled over their eyes all the time So where do you think the money from previous sales has gone? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 We have a 6ft 4inch fast centre forward who would cost nothing on bloody loan at birmingham knocking in goals .......someone tell les ffsbehave, he hardly had a game until recently and been on the bench. If you saw his goals they were scuffed most of the time. IMO he os not ready yet. The club would love to have the heat taken off them by the fans calling for Gallagher, it is Jay of last season part 2. We as fans lost out as the club was able to take the cheap option of keeping JRod instead of buying, all on the back of a fluky goal against Sunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 So where do you think the money from previous sales has gone? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk yes it has gone on players. Not over and above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 7 January, 2018 Share Posted 7 January, 2018 Carrillo scored a hattrick for Monaco the other night. Adds a bit more to the fee?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 8 January, 2018 Share Posted 8 January, 2018 Carrillo scored a hattrick for Monaco the other night. Adds a bit more to the fee?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMa9Vb6FX50 - 1st 3rd and 5th Monaco goals. A toe-poke down the middle and 2 headers from 2 feet out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 8 January, 2018 Share Posted 8 January, 2018 And he won a penalty. The opposition was poor but as least he took his opportunities!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 8 January, 2018 Share Posted 8 January, 2018 I really don't remember that. If you're talking about that 0-0 West Brom game, I seem to recall there were boos at the final whistle but nothing aimed at him personally. Really? He had to work really hard and score a lot of goals before the fans took to him. He was unfortunate in that he was Rickie's replacement, and we were all ****ed off as that was the summer that our promotion winning team got dismantled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 8 January, 2018 Share Posted 8 January, 2018 Really? He had to work really hard and score a lot of goals before the fans took to him. He was unfortunate in that he was Rickie's replacement, and we were all ****ed off as that was the summer that our promotion winning team got dismantled. Would anyone be happy with Pelle back on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 8 January, 2018 Share Posted 8 January, 2018 Would anyone be happy with Pelle back on loan? Not really, he doesn't score goals this time of the year. Might be useful when the weather gets warmer, end of March/early April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 January, 2018 Share Posted 8 January, 2018 never heard of him. Looking on Fifa stats, i'm guessing if true he's supposed to give us that presence up top as it suggested he had little pace. If he doesn't have pace, what use will he be to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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