captain sensible Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Maybe Dani Osvaldo coupled with Duncan Ferguson would have yielded a more " concentrated" approach on the training field for the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Does Kelvin actually have any coaching badges yet? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He’s been doing them since July 16, no idea how he has been getting on. I say give the guy a chance- and support the saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 (edited) First team coach= laying out cones, distributing bibs, implementing the manager's training sessions (because the manager has better things to do than freeze his b*****ks off) and generally engaging in motivational bantz. Like his predecessor Eric Black, his influence will be limited. The rest is mongboard melodrama. Edited 29 December, 2017 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 HE'S ANOTHER YES MAN A YES MAN ANOTHER YES MAN A YES MAN FOR LES REED ANOTHER YES MAN A YES MAN I TELL YOU. FU CKING YES MAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 First team coach= laying out cones, distributing bibs, implementing the manager's training sessions (because the manager has better things to do than freeze his b*****ks off) and generally engaging in motivational bantz. Like his predecessor Eric Black, his influence will be limited. The rest is mongboard melodrama. Yep and it's First team Assistant coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sensible Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 He’s been doing them since July 16, no idea how he has been getting on. I say give the guy a chance- and support the saints! Can't understand why the Womens Director of Football Lois Fidler hasn't been elevated to the First Team Coaching Staff? She is more qualified than Kelv holding a UEFA A Licence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Who has a goalie as outfield coach ? And, let us be honest, the worst goalie we've had for a good 25 years. Like Kelvin as a man, but he was awful between the sticks. Loyalty should not be mistaken for talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Yep and it's First team Assistant coach Replacing Eric Black who was assistant to the first team coach (ie Puel then Pellegrino). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 I hope we got him on a free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sensible Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 And, let us be honest, the worst goalie we've had for a good 25 years. Like Kelvin as a man, but he was awful between the sticks. Loyalty should not be mistaken for talent. 25 Years...43 more like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Board think MP has lost the players, don't want to sack him as it admits mistake/have to pay compensation, so have put a popular figure in to try and turn it around and help MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 25 Years...43 more like! You're probably right! I just couldn't remember who was in before Flowers. What is happening to our club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 A new assistant coach who is an Argentine or a former colleague of MP from Spain would be more of a concern. This is a "you'll do" appointment, suggesting an expectation that things are likely to evolve in the coming weeks. Whatever you think about this move, it certainly isn't that MP is secure in his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sensible Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 You're probably right! I just couldn't remember who was in before Flowers. What is happening to our club? I'm thinking Eric Martin...prone to the odd error or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 This sets up nicely for his unveiling as first team manager for our exciting League 1 campaign in 2019/2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Was there ever any explanation as to why we got rid of Sammy Lee who had an extremely strong resume as an assistant & was part of an extremely successful set up. Since then we’ve gone to the useless relegation specialist black and now to a complete rookie in the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 I'm thinking Eric Martin...prone to the odd error or two. Dark days indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Not sure if this is a bit of a fop to the supporters, perhaps intended to give a friendly face in the coaching set up to try and deflect the fans anger, or a fop to the players if its true that MP has a strained relationship with the squad. Feel a bit sorry for Kelvin as this propels him into the front line and gives a bit of a thankless task. If he does well presumably MP soaks up the credit, if results continue as they are through no fault of Kelvin's, he might find himself out if a new man arrives and wants to bring his own team. He will certainly be a popular caretaker if called upon though. Might have expected him to be a specialist GK coach in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 I'm thinking Eric Martin...prone to the odd error or two. I only remember one Eric Martin error, when he dropped a West Ham free kick over the line in the 3rd round of the FA Cup in 1975. Think that might have been his last game for us, certainly one of them, before Lawrie brought in firstly Steve Middleton then Ian Turner. Ian Andrews was pretty poor as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Ridiculous decision.....used to appease the disgruntled fans,along with the long list of players we are now linked with. Our PR department working overtime. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Who is it supposed to appease? Seriously, how in any way whatsoever is that appointment supposed to appease anyone, disgruntled or otherwise. Who is thinking "oh what a relief, it's all going to be ok now Kelvin Davis has been made first team coach"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sensible Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 I only remember one Eric Martin error, when he dropped a West Ham free kick over the line in the 3rd round of the FA Cup in 1975. Think that might have been his last game for us, certainly one of them, before Lawrie brought in firstly Steve Middleton then Ian Turner. Ian Andrews was pretty poor as I recall. There was the small matter of the 7-0 hiding we took from Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 December, 2017 Author Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Who is it supposed to appease? Seriously, how in any way whatsoever is that appointment supposed to appease anyone, disgruntled or otherwise. Who is thinking "oh what a relief, it's all going to be ok now Kelvin Davis has been made first team coach"? I think this may well be how our board thinks, such is their la la land ignorance Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Kelvin as caretaker for Crystal Palace then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 There was the small matter of the 7-0 hiding we took from Leeds. True, but my recollection is that the 10 in front of him froze and didn't seem to want to play, the defence especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Hey, a top to the suppporters is it? If only the Club read this site they’d know that any and every decision the6 make is wrong. There’s no pulling the wool over the eyes of everyone in here, only those supporters not enlightened enough to be a part of this self-reinforcing knocking shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Not if the club think he's been doing a good enough job behind the scenes. He hasn't just walked into this job by the way, I know first hand that he has been taking all of his coaching badges (succesfully) and is highly thought of at the club in that regard and has been in and around the first team for the last few months. So if the club think he’s good enough he is...???? As is Pellegrino according to the ‘club’ Why are people apprehensive about this appointment then I wonder....!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sensible Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 True, but my recollection is that the 10 in front of him froze and didn't seem to want to play, the defence especially. Yes, probably...I don't revisit that game too often and would rather any recollection of that game be the first symptom of any possible onset of dementia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Hey, a top to the suppporters is it? If only the Club read this site they’d know that any and every decision the6 make is wrong. His name is The9 actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Just when i thought Les couldn't get any dumber.... He goes and does this aaaand totally confirms my thoughts on him. :mcinnes::mcinnes::mcinnes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Might be a smart move. The manager makes the decisions and Kelvin offers support but no interference. Does his job, upsets nobody, loyal, useful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 So if the master plan was to appoint Kelvin to placate the fans, that appears to have backfired big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 I feel a bit under informed to post on here, a little bit inadequate because of my lack of knowledge. Unlike the vast majority of posters in this thread I have no idea of Kelvins coaching abilities . Do not know what badges he holds or which ones he's taking, do not know whether he's got the makings of a decent coach or not. I do not even know what his specific duties are within his role . I did think about posting anyway, but decided that it's probably better to know a bit about it before doing so. I don't want to be seen as just confirming my prejudice against every decision the club makes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Maybe if they get rid of MP they hope KD can step up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Lots of respect for Kelvin but this finally goes to show the reed needs to be moved to a home for the elderly.... clueless beyond belief. What we need is a quality offensive coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 A new assistant coach who is an Argentine or a former colleague of MP from Spain would be more of a concern. This is a "you'll do" appointment, suggesting an expectation that things are likely to evolve in the coming weeks. Whatever you think about this move, it certainly isn't that MP is secure in his job. Have to say, this was my immediate reaction as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 First team coach= laying out cones, distributing bibs, implementing the manager's training sessions (because the manager has better things to do than freeze his b*****ks off) and generally engaging in motivational bantz. Like his predecessor Eric Black, his influence will be limited. The rest is mongboard melodrama. This is way too simplistic. A proper coach watches the players train and gives advice on technique, movement, positioning. We have plenty of young players that still have a lot to learn despite being professional footballers. Coaches are meant to coach, not be glorified ball boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeham_69 Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 If they're gonna sack MP, maybe they need someone to appoint as interim manager! Ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 The people who coach can tell us how long it takes/took them to get the A licence, but this might give some idea: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6r6au8/how_long_does_it_take_to_get_all_5_coaching/ If he started in July 2016 then he can't have more than the B licence so ... not very well qualified and not much exposure to real coaching and thus externally I would say there's no idea of how good he is. Sounds a bit incestuous/nepotic (ignoring the lack of family, of course). If this is what the Gaos bring ... hum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Who has a goalie as outfield coach ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We used to have a Goal Keeper as manager and he got us two promotions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 We used to have a Goal Keeper as manager and he got us two promotions not his first job though was it, he worked his way up starting in non league football I believe, not in the Premier League ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 I feel a bit under informed to post on here, a little bit inadequate because of my lack of knowledge. Doesn’t normally stop you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 The people who coach can tell us how long it takes/took them to get the A licence, but this might give some idea: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6r6au8/how_long_does_it_take_to_get_all_5_coaching/ If he started in July 2016 then he can't have more than the B licence so ... not very well qualified and not much exposure to real coaching and thus externally I would say there's no idea of how good he is. Sounds a bit incestuous/nepotic (ignoring the lack of family, of course). If this is what the Gaos bring ... hum. I believe he may have started his badges before that and, for the first few steps, a professional or ex pro gets to "skip" a few rungs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Ian Andrews was pretty poor as I recall. talk about understatements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboze Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Good Luck Kelv! who knows maybe it's the magic of christmas.........and a saviour will rise from our own ranks........to bring on a new era of Saints domination, all Hail King Kelv............hmm not drunk sherry before.......seems good to me COYS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Didn't dino zoff manage lazio once? Possible in the gazza era? Think he did ok, sat on the bench puffing away on his cigarettes. What the Dino Zoff that took Italy to the Euro2000 final? Yeah he managed Lazio, over three stints, either side of the national team. Management and coaching is not about what you did on the field as a player as Wenger and Mourinho have proved beyond doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon3737 Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Obviously, I have no idea about Kelvin’s coaching skills or how influential his player-liaison role has been, but it seems pretty clear that there has been a serious trust/respect problem between the players and the management/board over the last 18 months. Coincidentally, the period since Kelvin was appointed. Maybe he’s just been a loyal servant of Puel/Pellegrino, maybe he’s been too junior to have any impact on player morale or maybe he’s given the players a route to moan to the board over the head of Puel/Pellegrino (and may have helped persuade Les to sack Puel). Whichever of these three is true, it’s hard to see how he can have had any positive impact on the trust between the players and management/board to have earned himself this promotion. The only way I can imagine he’s had a positive impact is if he’s managed to prevent the players’ attitudes over the last 18 months from being even worse. Hard to imagine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Club tweets re appointment describe him as “Saints Legend”? He’s not on my list but good luck to him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Making a 'safe' internal appointment like this might paradoxically indicate that the board don't really have a lot of faith in long-term prospects of the coaching staff - especially if something of a clear-out is required to bring in a new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 29 December, 2017 Share Posted 29 December, 2017 Club tweets re appointment describe him as “Saints Legend”? He’s not on my list but good luck to him though. Yep. Saw that. Over egging the PR again. A nice bloke and all that. Dressing room joker. Popular with the lads. Yes. But Saints Legend. No. I’m afraid not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 We do actually know he is not the first team coach, but assistant first team coach, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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