Dusic Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 Is it just me, or does Maya seem to be regressing back to his form from earlier days at Saints? Lately he seems incapable of marking in the box, and has been a lot more sloppy and unsteady in possession than over the last 18months where he had got better. Has a bit of a habit of being nearly there when a team scores against us. He has improved immensely since he signed for us, but I think he is better with a very dominant player next to him, someone who leads the back four, and I'm not sure Hoedt does that (he is still adapting obviously). Playing in a ****e team of course doesn't help, but is he really good enough to be a nailed on PL starter? I'm not convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 Any defender becomes a bad one when you have a keeper too scared to come off his line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 He’s dropped off, just like everyone else. He showed he could lead when he played alongside Stephens last season, but the mistakes are coming out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 Any defender becomes a bad one when you have a keeper too scared to come off his line. Can't blame this on FF, Yosh has been terrible. When yosh plays we've a gap between our CBs that is consistently being exposed. When an Op goalkeeper can get an assist by kicking the ball straight through the middle of the pitch, then there's bigger issues than our GO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 Average players will play average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 The protection the back 4 is getting is absolutely woeful. You’d have to be a world class defender to look decent in our set up. We’re allowing way way too many crosses, and allowing sides to get players in between our midfield and back 4. Add to that the fact that the big lump behind him is as quiet as a shy school girl and doesn’t organise the back 4 or control his area and you can see why Yoshida is struggling. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 The bloke is a clown. We'll be told that we've "bigger problems" and we probably do, but the fact the he's anywhere near a starter for us shows how far we've regressed. Incompetent defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 The bloke is a clown. We'll be told that we've "bigger problems" and we probably do, but the fact the he's anywhere near a starter for us shows how far we've regressed. Incompetent defender. Fcking moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 The bloke is a clown. We'll be told that we've "bigger problems" and we probably do, but the fact the he's anywhere near a starter for us shows how far we've regressed. Incompetent defender. This 100%. This thread should be fun, as it’s blasphemy to criticise Yoshida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 Again sentiment rules the SWF. Love his sincere passion for the club, he has stepped up for us on a number of occasions. However, Yoshida is a good 3rd/4th choice centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 This 100%. This thread should be fun, as it’s blasphemy to criticise Yoshida. He is loyal to the core. Yoshida would turn down Barcelona. Saints through n through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 He is loyal to the core. Yoshida would turn down Barcelona. Saints through n through What does your favourite little whoscored measure say about his performances over the past couple of seasons, pal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 27 December, 2017 Share Posted 27 December, 2017 Fcking moron. I wouldn't go that far mate, he's just a poor defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukee Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 Don't think he's a poor defender at all, but he has absolutely no aerial presence. Shame is, neither does our goalie. Most teams seem to go for crosses into the box. Even if we win the first header, our second ball retention is awful. So many goals have come from either headers or second balls. Romeu/Lemina/Hojbjerg need to do better in this area (second balls), but not a lot you can do about 2 short and not very strong CBs in Stephens/Yoshida. Not seen much of a physical presence from Hoedt either. Yoshida is a good tackler, is quite quick and reads the game relatively well. Not bad, but not amazing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 He's a 3rd choice defender at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 He's a 3rd choice defender at best. The way I see it too, for a club like us he is the best a third choice centreback could be without wanting to play more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 Our (physically) weak link. Always has been, always will be. Generally costs a goal a game.Smashing chap though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 Probably gone backwards like most of the team if they are being told to play in a rigid system by MP, it's already been suggested that Redmond is playing under orders. Yoshida is a far better player than some numpties on here make out, if you actually watch him rather than concentrate on just the slips and errors that all players make you would see that. Like has been said it does not help if the lummox who can actually touch the ball with his hands just stands rooted to the spot, seen Yoshida on many occasions give out the body language of "you have to be kidding!!??", a go and collect the ball in Forsters zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 Mistake we made is buying Hoet and that Polish fella - pooling that cash / wages to buy a better cb would have been the thing to do. We now need to do this anyway and will have 3 average and one poor cb alongside which is too many. Also playing the same pairing for a few games may help their play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 3 January, 2018 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2018 Yoshida and Stephens is a partnership that any PL opponent will be fancying their chances against, its simply not strong or dominant enough. Both are ok players when alongside a powerful leader of the back four but as a pairing they are powderpuff and get absolutely beasted in the air. Yoshida is not the leader of a solid backline. He has a habit of losing his man and doesn't lead the defense. Hoedt was screaming at him against United when he lost Lukaku and then later Lingard giving them free headers in the area. Against Hudds he completely left Depoitre who was their only threat. No coincidence that we have started leaking more goals since he became a nailed on starter each week. Yesterday we needed someone to push the team up the pitch, like Fonte would have done. Someone to encourage the others to play to the conditions, stop playing one touch passes when the ball was barely rolling and go more direct. Yoshida looks to others but right now, and as captain, that needed to be him and that isn't what he is about. We are crying out for a defensive leader and having sold Fonte and VVD within a year (both good financial deals) you would expect more to have been spent on this position so we arent so reliant on sub-standard players. Note: I like Yoshida. He has undoubtedly improved and seems like a top guy. This is purely about him as a PL central defender and there is a reason IMO that in our best seasons he was firmly third choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 Yoshida and Stephens is a partnership that any PL opponent will be fancying their chances against, its simply not strong or dominant enough. Both are ok players when alongside a powerful leader of the back four but as a pairing they are powderpuff and get absolutely beasted in the air. Yoshida is not the leader of a solid backline. He has a habit of losing his man and doesn't lead the defense. Hoedt was screaming at him against United when he lost Lukaku and then later Lingard giving them free headers in the area. Against Hudds he completely left Depoitre who was their only threat. No coincidence that we have started leaking more goals since he became a nailed on starter each week. Yesterday we needed someone to push the team up the pitch, like Fonte would have done. Someone to encourage the others to play to the conditions, stop playing one touch passes when the ball was barely rolling and go more direct. Yoshida looks to others but right now, and as captain, that needed to be him and that isn't what he is about. We are crying out for a defensive leader and having sold Fonte and VVD within a year (both good financial deals) you would expect more to have been spent on this position so we arent so reliant on sub-standard players. Note: I like Yoshida. He has undoubtedly improved and seems like a top guy. This is purely about him as a PL central defender and there is a reason IMO that in our best seasons he was firmly third choice. Should be 3rd choice at best, agreed that our defence is so easy to attack against, no physicality, Yoshida isn't our biggest issue by any means, but his lack of awareness has cost us this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 Yoshida and Stephens is a partnership that any PL opponent will be fancying their chances against, its simply not strong or dominant enough. you are right, neither are quite good enough in the air. Goals will always be conceded from crosses, but take out Pelle, VVD, Wanyama etc and you become much more susceptible. Not sure that is borne out in the stats, but we certainly don't feel as secure as we used to. Not enough pressure on the cross is another factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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