saintmatt Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 need to take some of the blame Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 I'll put my hands up to their 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 For what exactly? Wanting the team to do better. Posts and threads like this are the thickest of all. Not sure how a fan can be entitled to something they pay a handsome price for. Or have you forgotten that we were statistically the worst value for money in the league last year and have the sixth most expensive season ticket. Moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 13 December, 2017 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2017 James has called me a moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 I blame our intelligent and appreciative fans myself. Effing useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 need to take some of the blame Thoughts? My thoughts are that you're a f*ckwit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 (edited) but, we have the best midfield in the league. given as the prem is one of the world big leagues. that means we have one of the best on planet earth Edited 13 December, 2017 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 Congratulations Mathew you’ve made a ****t of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 It's fairly obvious what he's talking about. The fans who wanted Puel out got their wish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 This thread is probably not going the way the 'moron / f*ckwit / ****t' envisaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 It's fairly obvious what he's talking about. The fans who wanted Puel out got their wish... They didn’t though did they? Unless I missed the part where Les asked us whether we wanted Pellegrino? This argument is also complete rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 James has called me a moron It was a mistake. He thought you were saintgordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 It's fairly obvious what he's talking about. The fans who wanted Puel out got their wish... If that is what he's talking about, and that isn't obvious, perhaps people need to be reminded that we are just fans, fans don't sack managers, directors sack managers. If a director listened to fans and wrongly sacked a manager surely they are not fit for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 James has called me a moron Well tough luck then as obviously the truth hurts you a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 If that is what he's talking about, and that isn't obvious, perhaps people need to be reminded that we are just fans, fans don't sack managers, directors sack managers. If a director listened to fans and wrongly sacked a manager surely they are not fit for the job.Correct. Fans (thick, entitled or otherwise) don't appoint replacements either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 Puel kept grabbing players by the throat though.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 I generally hate thick people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 Well tough luck then as obviously the truth hurts you a bit. Retort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 need to take some of the blame Thoughts? I think you'll find the entitled one who sacked Puel and weakened our squad whilst waiting millions was Les Reed, not any fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 No issue with parting with puel as the football was turgid at times but replacing him with someone who's completely out of his depth is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 I'll put my hands up to their 3rd. Lol did you get out of position or just not track back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 I generally hate thick people I can tolerate them. Unless they somehow get into a position of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 13 December, 2017 Share Posted 13 December, 2017 I've had debates with James but he certainly isn't a moron. At least his arguments are well-reasoned, unlike quite a few on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Big up the OP. Clueless fans getting what they deserve. They won’t admit it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 (edited) For what exactly? Wanting the team to do better. Posts and threads like this are the thickest of all. Not sure how a fan can be entitled to something they pay a handsome price for. Or have you forgotten that we were statistically the worst value for money in the league last year and have the sixth most expensive season ticket. Moron. Exactly this. It's also worth pointing out that Puel didn't get us playing anywhere near like that last season. People that feel they need to take every opportunity to say "I told you so" are the real morons and need to get behind our team. As I said in the other thread a few days ago: I always got the impression the players never truly got on board with his philosophies and it showed. No goals in six of our last 7 matches and only 17 goals at home all season in 19 games isn't a sign of a working system. There is no doubt in my mind that last season saw us playing the most boring football I have ever had the misfortune of paying for in my life. It's also worth pointing out that the system he's playing with Leicester isn't the same system he played with us. Perhaps he learnt his lesson. I think it's fair to argue Leicester and Claude Puel are just a better match. Much like Southampton and Ronald Koeman was. You've got to be pretty thick to think what a manager can do at one club they can simply do at another. Edited 14 December, 2017 by Disco Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 need to take some of the blame Thoughts?Indeed. You and others like you are the worst culprits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 It was right to get rid of Puel, just not to replace him with Pellegrino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Unreal front from the Puel out brigade tonight in spite of overwhelming evidence against them in front of their very eyes tonight. Could have had the decency to disappear overnight at least after the damage they’ve caused the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Hahahahaha!!!! I can only guess that most of the puel in brigade don’t have season tickets. Because the football from January last season was probably the most dull I’ve seen in 30 Year’s of going to st Mary’s. Most of the ST holders around me were seriously debating whether to renew because the level of entertainment was zero. Yes.. we finished 8th. So what?? I’d rather have finished 17th and enjoyed some exciting football. Yes.. we got to a cup final. Let’s not re write history here... if Liverpool had brought their shooting boots they’d have stuck 4 past us in the semi. Watching us set up at home to play defensively and on the counter attack at home to HULL was a particularly low moment. I didn’t expect Reed to go for a similarly inept manager 2nd time round but he gets a buzz from gambling on a bargain doesn’t he? Thick and entitled? The OP is a 1st class pri#k. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Hahahahaha!!!! I can only guess that most of the puel in brigade don’t have season tickets. Because the football from January last season was probably the most dull I’ve seen in 30 Year’s of going to st Mary’s. Most of the ST holders around me were seriously debating whether to renew because the level of entertainment was zero. Yes.. we finished 8th. So what?? I’d rather have finished 17th and enjoyed some exciting football. Yes.. we got to a cup final. Let’s not re write history here... if Liverpool had brought their shooting boots they’d have stuck 4 past us in the semi. Watching us set up at home to play defensively and on the counter attack at home to HULL was a particularly low moment. I didn’t expect Reed to go for a similarly inept manager 2nd time round but he gets a buzz from gambling on a bargain doesn’t he? Thick and entitled? The OP is a 1st class pri#k. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I was one of the Puel in brigade and I have a season ticket. I also witnessed some really really good away performances. As for the Liverpool semi final, you are the one rewriting history. It all well and good coming out with this pony about the second leg and their "shooting boots", had we had ours on first leg they'd have been 4 down from that. Very convenient loss of memory there. The fact is over 2 legs we thoroughly deserved to win. We did not sit back and hope to hit Hull on the counter attack, if that's how you viewed that game, **** me you must be clueless. You'd rather finish 17th than 8th provided you're entertained, what is this, the Harlem ****ing globetrotters. And you and your buddies around you were seriously considering jacking in your support. I wish you had of, you're hardly the example of loyal supporters. Still at least you got to see some exciting football last night. Of course it meant the loss of 3 points, but that doesn't matter to you does it, rather that than a boring old 0-0. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Yeah I miss all those 4-1 away wins last season. What were the board thinking.....crazy mofos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Last season I don’t remember seeing anything as poor as Wolves, Watford, Burnley and Leicester performances this season and we are not even halfway through, If thick tw ats can’t make a connection that thinking it was all Puel and successful entertaining football was just a managerial appointment away ( I know it is natural to be optimistic) they could at least acknowledge in hindsight that it wasn’t anywhere as poor as now, It seems their their simple rationale to what has clearly been deterioration is a yeah but shouldn’t haven’t been MP - good effective managers are in short supply and we had a half decent one, Yes entitled cos we don’t have some magic formula over others but recent incredible successes (8th, 7th,6th,8th) lead to entitlement of continual over achievement - fck me even Adkins is thought of as an underachiever by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Boufal has been poor for us, Redmond has been worse. If that's entitled, so be it but I'm grateful we got so many player-signing decisions correct before that and had so many years of success and good football. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Aguero Sane Silva KDB Sterling Jesus Lukaku Martial Mkhitaryan Mata Pogba Morata Hazard Willian Pedro Fabregas Kane Son Eriksen Alli Sissoko Firmino Mane Coutinho Salah Wijnaldum Lacazette Sanchez Ozil Welbeck Ramsay Austin Redmond Tadic Boufal Davis Thinking we can get anywhere close the top 6 with what we have If you don't score goals, you don't win. If you don't win, you don't finish a season with more than 44 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Aguero Sane Silva KDB Sterling Jesus Lukaku Martial Mkhitaryan Mata Pogba Morata Hazard Willian Pedro Fabregas Kane Son Eriksen Alli Sissoko Firmino Mane Coutinho Salah Wijnaldum Lacazette Sanchez Ozil Welbeck Ramsay Austin Redmond Tadic Boufal Davis Thinking we can get anywhere close the top 6 with what we have If you don't score goals, you don't win. If you don't win, you don't finish a season with more than 44 points. Who is suggesting we should be competing with the top 6? Most supporters think we should be aiming to be best of the rest so why don't you compare our attacking options to Burnley, Everton, Watford etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 For what exactly? Wanting the team to do better. Posts and threads like this are the thickest of all. Not sure how a fan can be entitled to something they pay a handsome price for. Or have you forgotten that we were statistically the worst value for money in the league last year and have the sixth most expensive season ticket. Moron. the face of the modern football supporter you stop being a fan and become a consumer the moment you are worried about value for money. The moment you start complaining about paying a handsome price for your ticket you've reduced going to the football to the same bracket as going to the cinema sadly you are not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Who is suggesting we should be competing with the top 6? Most supporters think we should be aiming to be best of the rest so why don't you compare our attacking options to Burnley, Everton, Watford etc? which is basically "luckiest of the rest for this season". This season its Burnley's season to get the rub of the green next season they will no doubt be lower down. Everyone outside the top six is much of a muchness usual one of those teams will get lucky with an early season in form striker or couple of flukey goals get a bit of momentum going early on and have a decent season almost without fail they are not as good the next season. If there was a team that was constantly "best of the rest" we'd be talking about the big seven instead of the big six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 It's fairly obvious what he's talking about. The fans who wanted Puel out got their wish... Fans call for the sacking of the worst manager we've had in decades shocker :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Fans call for the sacking of the worst manager we've had in decades shocker :lol:i assume you passed on your cup final ticket lol. the anti peel supporters got it wrong. it was pointed out at the time that we had sold most of our goals,and it came to pass that we couldn’t score. If those 0-0 games had turned into 1nil victories the games would not have turned out so turgid in your mind. We are addicts for the feeling of elation once a goal goes in. add to that the basic racism because he didn’t speak good English, and couldn’t give a chirpy interview also turned a lot of the morons against him. given the summer he would have been able to fix the problems,but sadly the new man looks totally lost. I think the summer was spent by KL more worried about missing her payday rather than the future. S/T sales down , so get rid of the manager and the change will get the sales rolling again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 I don't blame fans who booed that dismal performance at all. It was deserved. Most fans work hard to afford to go to matches, to watch massively overpaid individuals earning more in a week than most of them do in a year. They go for entertainment, not to be bored or angered when those players don't give their all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 which is basically "luckiest of the rest for this season". This season its Burnley's season to get the rub of the green next season they will no doubt be lower down. Everyone outside the top six is much of a muchness usual one of those teams will get lucky with an early season in form striker or couple of flukey goals get a bit of momentum going early on and have a decent season almost without fail they are not as good the next season. If there was a team that was constantly "best of the rest" we'd be talking about the big seven instead of the big six. Exactly. Flip a coin in any game not involving the top 6. Burnley are miraculously top 6 having scored less than us! There's no way their luck lasts a full season. Leicester look most likely to be best of the rest. They have a bang average ageing defence but invested heavily in attack. Our squads are balanced man-for-man but their's is stronger at the pointy end. I'd take theirs over ours without doubt. Win half lose half and you'll end up with 57 points. Draw every game and you only get 38. The fact is that even when we utterly dominate we struggle to score and lose points. Despite how much we struggled in attack last season, the club didn't buy a single attacking player. Instead we bought a DM, 2 CB's, a GK and signed a defensive manager. Just utterly bizarre. The blame is 100% on Reed and the people deciding transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 (edited) Puel suffered from following Poch and Koeman. We never adequately replaced Pelle and Mane. If he came in now he'd look like a ****ing genius compared to MP. I wasn't disappointed when he went at all but hindsight is fantastic. Edited 14 December, 2017 by LGTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 I was one of the Puel in brigade and I have a season ticket. I also witnessed some really really good away performances. As for the Liverpool semi final, you are the one rewriting history. It all well and good coming out with this pony about the second leg and their "shooting boots", had we had ours on first leg they'd have been 4 down from that. Very convenient loss of memory there. The fact is over 2 legs we thoroughly deserved to win. We did not sit back and hope to hit Hull on the counter attack, if that's how you viewed that game, **** me you must be clueless. You'd rather finish 17th than 8th provided you're entertained, what is this, the Harlem ****ing globetrotters. And you and your buddies around you were seriously considering jacking in your support. I wish you had of, you're hardly the example of loyal supporters. Still at least you got to see some exciting football last night. Of course it meant the loss of 3 points, but that doesn't matter to you does it, rather that than a boring old 0-0. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Absolutely summed up perfectly, totally on board with this opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Do we really think the board got rid of Puel because of the rumblings on internet forums? It'll be because of something behind the scenes (e.g. players unhappy / coaching staff raising concerns / Les falling out with him) or, and possibly key, falling ticket sales / poor season ticket renewals. The fact that flipping Puel for MP hasn't worked is down to the club again, not the fans, and of course if people vote with their feet or the real cash cow, the TV money, is in jeopardy due to the threat of relegation, the board will act again and find a new manager. It's always about the money, always. Blaming the fans is missing the point, it can't be our fault as we have absolutely no power in the running of the club, other than to stop going. Would have been interested to see a Puel side with Pelle and Mane personally - much as the football was boring as hell last year, the suspicion that the managers are trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear is looking very likely now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Puel suffered from following Poch and Koeman. We never adequately replaced Pelle and Redmond. If he came in now he'd look like a ****ing genius compared to MP. I wasn't disappointed when he went at all but hindsight is fantastic. To be honest I think 6 home games in a row without scoring and being booed on the "lap of appreciation" was the final nail in the coffin, I remember the anger around me in the ground when we went out of Europe against Hapoel Be'ersheva, I don't miss Puel but I didn't particularly want him out mainly on the basis I had little confidence in us getting a good replacement. Going to St Marys in 2017 has generally been a chore, last night I didn't sense anger in the stands, just lots of apathy and people not caring anymore. Sad state of affairs. players look disinterested. I've watched two 'home' games this week, u23s getting beat 2-4 v Wolves. First IX getting beaten 1-4 v Leicester. Tonight is FA youth cup at St Marys u18s v Wolves, can they make it a hat trick of disappointments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 I was one of the Puel in brigade and I have a season ticket. I also witnessed some really really good away performances. As for the Liverpool semi final, you are the one rewriting history. It all well and good coming out with this pony about the second leg and their "shooting boots", had we had ours on first leg they'd have been 4 down from that. Very convenient loss of memory there. The fact is over 2 legs we thoroughly deserved to win. We did not sit back and hope to hit Hull on the counter attack, if that's how you viewed that game, **** me you must be clueless. You'd rather finish 17th than 8th provided you're entertained, what is this, the Harlem ****ing globetrotters. And you and your buddies around you were seriously considering jacking in your support. I wish you had of, you're hardly the example of loyal supporters. Still at least you got to see some exciting football last night. Of course it meant the loss of 3 points, but that doesn't matter to you does it, rather that than a boring old 0-0. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well I guess we can agree to disagree on individual home performances last year, but I seem to remember we struggled to get out of our defensive third v hull so we brought on Shane long and tried to boot it over the top in an attempt to get up the pitch. But yes, there were some good performances last season under puel... notably the cup final. And I’m aware this is not the Harlem globetrotters. However, that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t expect to see some notion of attacking exciting football and taking the game to the opposition. You are aware it’s not an endurance sport right? Professional sport with thousands of paying fans is meant to be a fun thing to be involved in...I think most of us have been watching through gritted teeth for about a year. Turgid football, zero atmosphere, st Mary’s is not a fun place to go these days. Oh.. and for all the talk, me and those around me who questioned whether they were going to renew did. And stayed until the end last night. And will still be renewing when we’re back down in league one. Puel was poor for us, MP is even worse. That doesn’t make the decision to get rid of puel was wrong, it means the decision to employ MP was. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Agree to an extent. Our fans have turned in to typical spoilt Premier League brats. 8th place and a f*cking cup final. Quality of football may not have been great but people going on about entertainment factor as if they've gone to watch a show or a film. If that's the be all and end all for some people then why aren't they going to watch City/Arsenal? Unfortunately it's a downward spiral now. Our 'support' has changed so much that we won't get behind anyone unless there's instant success and will keep hounding players and managers. Have said it before but I'm sure within the next few years we'll end up relegated again and it won't be the end of the world. We can shed our c*nty fans and get back to supporting the side and enjoying going to football again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 Agree to an extent. Our fans have turned in to typical spoilt Premier League brats. 8th place and a f*cking cup final. Quality of football may not have been great but people going on about entertainment factor as if they've gone to watch a show or a film. If that's the be all and end all for some people then why aren't they going to watch City/Arsenal? Unfortunately it's a downward spiral now. Our 'support' has changed so much that we won't get behind anyone unless there's instant success and will keep hounding players and managers. Have said it before but I'm sure within the next few years we'll end up relegated again and it won't be the end of the world. We can shed our c*nty fans and get back to supporting the side and enjoying going to football again. That is a very good post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickendippers Posted 14 December, 2017 Share Posted 14 December, 2017 it's probably worth considering that Puel hasn't had a chance to get his slow boring methods across to the Leicester players yet. I agree he went due to some dreadful, boring, football at home - no goals, no excitement. It was also due to his dreadfully dull interviews - he made the mistake of coming to England with just a handful of English phrases and being too busy with the football side of things to take any lessons. As much as we disliked 'Dave' the interpreter - Poch got it right by getting to a more conversational style of English before doing interviews. He should have been given another year - but I doubt he would have been much better off than MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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