Guardiola's Comments

[Dusic]

Are Guardiola's comment a fair one - that we have some very talented players but don't let them off the leash to play?

 

Of course last night the approach MP took was right and nearly got us a great result, but more generally?

 

People have been slagging Redmond and Tadic for a while (Boufal only recently has been more influential but clearly had some disagreement with MP)...maybe the way they are asked to play just restricts them and takes the natural instinctiveness out of their game?

 

Redmond is good one v one but this season especially seems too scared of losing the ball so doesn't try anything. Boufal's improvement has coincided with trying more...

[saintoaks]

In my opinion you cant go toe to toe with teams like Man City otherwise we'd get smashed. I really enjoyed watching Saints last night, we looked dangerous on the break and stayed firm at the back. A win Sunday would be a good points return over the 3 games.

[doddisalegend]

Probably worth linking to the comments

 

Whatever Redmond had done during the game had clearly irked Guardiola, but the player himself seemed to remain calm throughout the altercation.

It seems, though, that rather than angry verbals, Guardiola had simply been voicing his frustration on behalf of the player.*"(I told him) how good a player he is," Guardiola said.

"Last season he destroyed us here. I didn't know him last season, I realised how good he is.

"Southampton have some super-talented players, Redmond is so good one against one.

 

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[OldNick]

Probably worth linking to the comments

 

Whatever Redmond had done during the game had clearly irked Guardiola, but the player himself seemed to remain calm throughout the altercation.

It seems, though, that rather than angry verbals, Guardiola had simply been voicing his frustration on behalf of the player.*"(I told him) how good a player he is," Guardiola said.

"Last season he destroyed us here. I didn't know him last season, I realised how good he is.

"Southampton have some super-talented players, Redmond is so good one against one.

 

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What does Pep know against all those judges on here, he isvChampionship standard apparently

[Shance]

Managers like Guardiola need to learn to stfu tbh. Lesser teams don't owe them **** all. They have spent over a billion since their takeover, so if he thinks teams should be coming to the Etihad and playing in a manner that suits them then he's utterly deluded. We had every right to play if safe and so does every other team that goes there apart from the other cash rich squads. Truth be told, we are seriously inferior to them on paper, so we should absolutely play in a manner that they don't like.

 

He's easily my favorite tactician and manager on the planet, so if he can't set his multi million pound team up to beat the lower teams that will sit back and defend in numbers or time waste then the PL isn't for him.

Edited 30 November, 2017 by Shance

[Saints foreva]

Sign Redmond please.

[SuperSAINT]

Pep lost me when he said "Redmond is so good..."

[Sheaf Saint]

Pep lost me when he said "Redmond is so good..."

 

He can be, as we have seen flashes of it in the past. But only so much of his overall performance last night can be attributed to how he was instructed to play by the manager. There are so many aspects of it which can't.

 

Constantly dithering on the ball and allowing defenders to regroup

Consistently failing to beat the first defender with a forward pass

Putting his team-mates in trouble on numerous occasions with over/under hit sideways and backwards passes

Standing on the edge of the box watching instead of making himself available for a cut-back when Lemina burst through (he was unmarked FFS)

Ducking out of the way of a FK when he was supposed to be the one-man defensive wall

 

None of these things can be excused by the manager's tactics and instructions.

[SaintSeb]

Obviously it's disappointing that we don't go to the 'big' teams to play them at their own game in the way we did under Poch, but I'd suggest this is down to the rapid improvement of said teams over last season and the start of this one rather than a slight on Saints. That Manchester City side is one of the best ever assembled in the Premier League era, possibly even in English football history, and I honestly would be shocked if we don't see them crowned champions in April as well as playing in the latter stages of the Champions League this season. With that in mind it would be utter suicide to set up to play them at their own game; look what happened when we tried that v Liverpool, who are clearly inferior to City.

 

There were so many positives to take from that match, the defensive solidity and team spirit, along with a much improved performance from the much maligned Fraser Forster, were great to see. The sight of Bertrand passionately congratulating Cedric for recovering to thwart Sterling in our box late on, as well as the joyful team celebrations for our goal were excellent, and a far cry from what we saw toward the end of last season and the early part of this.

 

Bournemouth on Sunday is now the perfect chance to revert back to our natural playing style, which is hopefully like what we saw vs. Everton, and put some more points on the board.

[trousers]

I don't think its unreasonable to surmise that Redmond would become an improved player if he was being managed by someone of Guardiola's calibre. You only have to look at what he's achieved with Stirling to come to that conclusion.

[doddisalegend]

I don't think its unreasonable to surmise that Redmond would become an improved player if he was being managed by someone of Guardiola's calibre. You only have to look at what he's achieved with Stirling to come to that conclusion.

 

 

Confidence is a big factor for players like Stirling and Redmond they have to have the confidence to try things and take people on Redmond's confidence looks shot. He isn't as bad a player as people make out (though he was pants last night).

[John Boy Saint]

Some of you might have seen the Guardiola and Sterling in training video that came out last week, if you havent scroll down in the link, looks a very similar depth of conversation.

 

http://www.sportbible.com/football/take-a-bow-this-clip-of-guardiola-coaching-sterling-in-training-has-gone-viral-20171122

[shurlock]

Probably just mind games - an attempt to stroke Redmond's ego and take his mind off the task of defending and staying in shape.

[Wes Tender]

So Guardiola believes that any team which is inferior to his most expensively constructed team of world class talent ought to throw caution to the wind and play attacking football against them. Well, he would say that, wouldn't he? What he absolutely doesn't want, is rival managers setting up their teams tactically to thwart him by closing down his players, denying them space in the box, marking their play-makers out of the game and frustrating his team and fans. He hates the possibility that having done that, there is always the possibility of their opponents hitting them on the break or scoring from set pieces, which is what we did.

 

When all is said and done, what annoys him the most, is that through our tactics little old us with our vastly cheaper team very nearly robbed his expensive team of superstars of two points, and even could have won the match had we taken the chances that we had made to score from all three of our CBS having free headers or shots from close range. In the heat of the moment at the final whistle, his emotions at picking up all three points from the final kick of the ball got the better of him and unthinkingly he blurted out this rubbish. With the benefit of sober reflection, he will accept that tactically every manager of a less illustrious team would do the same.

[the saint in winchester]

To me, it's not about what he said or is alleged to have said, the issue is surely that he was speaking and manhandling a player from another team. That can't be allowed. He can push, pull, shout at or whatever his own players but he should have NO interaction with a player from another team.

[Verbal Kint]

When he comes to st Mary's later in the season maybe we can swap players before the match, he can play his open expansive football against 30 million plus players with Redmond in his team and we'll see how he gets on

[Jimmy_D]

Hah, if Guardiola can't handle all teams actually coming up with tactics his team will find it difficult against, maybe the **** should **** off back to a mickey mouse league where only two or three teams can compete.

[doddisalegend]

Probably just mind games - an attempt to stroke Redmond's ego and take his mind off the task of defending and staying in shape.

 

 

Wasn't the "conversation" after the game had finished?

[Whitey Grandad]

To me, it's not about what he said or is alleged to have said, the issue is surely that he was speaking and manhandling a player from another team. That can't be allowed. He can push, pull, shout at or whatever his own players but he should have NO interaction with a player from another team.

 

This.

 

He was laying down a marker, sowing the seeds of discontent in the player's mind, quite literally touching up another club's player.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Wasn't the "conversation" after the game had finished?

 

 

Yes, while players were walking off......

[Donatello]

Yeah, I'm not remotely interested in how Guardiola wants us to play. It took arguably one of the best teams in the world 95 minutes to beat us at their ground, that's justification enough for any tactic.

[Donatello]

Managers like Guardiola need to learn to stfu tbh. Lesser teams don't owe them **** all. They have spent over a billion since their takeover, so if he thinks teams should be coming to the Etihad and playing in a manner that suits them then he's utterly deluded. We had every right to play if safe and so does every other team that goes there apart from the other cash rich squads. Truth be told, we are seriously inferior to them on paper, so we should absolutely play in a manner that they don't like.

 

He's easily my favorite tactician and manager on the planet, so if he can't set his multi million pound team up to beat the lower teams that will sit back and defend in numbers or time waste then the PL isn't for him.

 

This x 1000.

[benjii]

He's just trying to reverse psyche other teams to not park the bus because he knows they were lucky to win.

 

Fair enough.

 

I think it's harsh of him to take the **** out of Redmond like this though!

[shurlock]

Wasn't the "conversation" after the game had finished?

 

Yep thought it was during the game - either way its a signal to other clubs and players coming to the Etihad intending to park the bus and has the same purpose.

[saint1977]

When he comes to st Mary's later in the season maybe we can swap players before the match, he can play his open expansive football against 30 million plus players with Redmond in his team and we'll see how he gets on

 

Quite, couldn't have put it better.

[Pamplemousse]

Considering they smashed Liverpool 5-0, who did try to play open football, perhaps that explains why teams won't do that.

 

Our tactics were spot on, if it took them until the 96th minute to break us down then that's his problem, not ours.

[Saint Albert]

He's just trying to reverse psyche other teams to not park the bus because he knows they were lucky to win.

 

Fair enough.

 

I think it's harsh of him to take the **** out of Redmond like this though!

 

Very harsh. Pep is a bit of a dickhead, it seems.

 

If our owner had the ability to provide the same level of financing to Saints, all while somehow defeating FFP (I’m not even sure if FFP is a factor anymore or if City are just taking the ****) then perhaps Pellegrino would consider playing in a formation and style that is more to Pep’s liking.

[tajjuk]

Even Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal etc. will not try to out play them away, so no idea why he thinks us, with like 20% of their budget would go away and try to outplay them.

 

I mean teams come to park the bus against us FFS, you don't see us moaning and we are middling team, doesn't stop teams like West Brom coming to St Mary's and putting 10 behind the ball.

 

He is probably just adjusting to the fact that lesser team in the PL are not pushovers like they are in La Liga and the Bundesliga.

[stevegrant]

If he wants to get his paymasters to send us a £300m (conservative estimate) transfer kitty, plus a similar amount for wages each year over the next five years, maybe then we'll be in a position to go to the Etihad and play an open, attacking game against them.

[vectraman]

Considering they smashed Liverpool 5-0, who did try to play open football, perhaps that explains why teams won't do that.

 

Our tactics were spot on, if it took them until the 96th minute to break us down then that's his problem, not ours.

 

Exactly this.

Credit where credit is due, our manager did a great job last night at nullifying the best team in the country, possibly Europe. Before kick off, I'd have happily taken a 2-1 loss, shows how well we played to be gutted we didn't get a point out of it.

Well played Saints, 2 consecutive decent performances, now for another one, and 3 points off of Bournemouth

[doddisalegend]

Considering they smashed Liverpool 5-0, who did try to play open football, perhaps that explains why teams won't do that.

 

Our tactics were spot on, if it took them until the 96th minute to break us down then that's his problem, not ours.

 

 

Not just Liverpool either they put 6 past Watford, 7 past Stoke, 3 past Burnley and 3 past Arsenal. Parking the bus against them is the price they pay for being the best side in the league. If city want everyone to play open attacking football against them they need to build a team similar to the current west ham side.

[Chez]

I recall going to their place a few years back when we had a better side than this and attempting to go toe to toe and we got tonked. We did park the bus, you could say we did play anti football to a degree, but in reality we simply devised a defensive game plan to cut out the space they need in and around the box.

[sadoldgit]

Leicester won the Premiership on the counter. 'nuff said.

[adrian lord]

If he thinks other teams will read/hear the Redmond interchange and suddenly say, “Oh ok, lets attack City at the Etihad!” Then he is utterly deluded.

 

Even Man U and Chelsea will be defensive, let alone the Stokes and WBAs and Palaces...

 

 

P.S. anyone else have a sneaking suspicion Guardiola mistook Redmond for Bertrand?

Edited 30 November, 2017 by adrian lord

[LGTL]

There's no set way that football has to be played so "pep" and all the moaning city JCL's can **** off, frankly.

[badgerx16]

P.S. anyone else have a sneaking suspicion Guardiola mistook Redmond for Bertrand?

Some might say that Redmond has been mistaken for a footballer.

[DuncanRG]

Hah, if Guardiola can't handle all teams actually coming up with tactics his team will find it difficult against, maybe the **** should **** off back to a mickey mouse league where only two or three teams can compete.

 

Think he's handling it pretty well, to be honest.

[Toomer]

Pep might be a good coach but he has only had success at clubs where money is no object and he has been able to buy the best players available would be interesting how he would get on if he had to manage on a shoestring.

[Charlie Wayman]

What Guardiola was really saying is that with the talent Saints have got we should be doing a lot better than we are and under his guidance we would be much better than we are. The chances of getting a guy like him here to improve our players are about as close to absolute zero as you'll ever get so the alternative logical thought must be that he will be in for some of our players in the summer. He can see how they can be improved already. Sadly he was also taking a swipe at Pellegrino in the same breath because obviously he can't.

[Rory Peepa]

That silly sausage Adrian off talk sport is saying he did nothing wrong and that we should take Guardiola at face value that he was praising him.

Just seen the video for first time:

 

 

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[simo]

I wonder what Mope thought of it all ? If I was manager and seen another going at one of my players like that I'd of been having my own word with him !

[Saint Benali]

Think he was being sarcastic with those comments.

[Jimmy_D]

Think he's handling it pretty well, to be honest.

 

Maybe. He's clearly rattled though, and I reckon it's because City are starting to be found out a bit.

[Turkish]

Pep might be a good coach but he has only had success at clubs where money is no object and he has been able to buy the best players available would be interesting how he would get on if he had to manage on a shoestring.

 

This arugement is ridiculous. It always gets wheeled out at managers who only manage top clubs. People used to say Alex Ferguson could never do what he did at united with saints or Coventry. It's like saying Messi and Ronaldo are alright but they can never be truely world class until they've joined someone like Hartlepool and done it at that level.

 

Why do you think so many managers who look promising at lesser clubs fail when they get to big ones?

[DuncanRG]

This arugement is ridiculous. It always gets wheeled out at managers who only manage top clubs. People used to say Alex Ferguson could never do what he did at united with saints or Coventry. It's like saying Messi and Ronaldo are alright but they can never be truely world class until they've joined someone like Hartlepool and done it at that level.

 

Why do you think so many managers who look promising at lesser clubs fail when they get to big ones?

 

It is ridiculous, but poses interesting questions in Guardiola's case. His style is incredibly demanding and requires exactly the right players to execute it, hence his turfing out of star players when he arrived at Barca etc. He's clearly a brilliant tactician and man-manager, so I'm sure he would succeed at smaller clubs too, but it would require a change in approach.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Maybe. He's clearly rattled though, and I reckon it's because City are starting to be found out a bit.

 

They’ve won 19 games in a row, hardly being “found out”.

 

 

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[DuncanRG]

Redmond's just confirmed Guardiola's account

[Dusic]

Good statement from Redmond on this, confirming he was just doing what his Manager asked for.

 

Going back to the OP, which has been misinterpreted by some as being specifically about last nights game...do we think that maybe the reason Tadic and Redmond have struggled this season is because they have been given less license, similar to what Romeu said in the Echo.

 

Under Pochettino, and also Koeman, we often played in a similar way against the top sides as we did against others and backed our ability.

 

Fair enough doing what we did against City, absolutely the right decision. But against the likes of Stoke, Hudds, Brighton etc are the creative players being restricted?

[Saint_lambden]

Maybe. He's clearly rattled though, and I reckon it's because City are starting to be found out a bit.

 

[stevegrant]

They’ve won 19 games in a row, hardly being “found out”.

That "record" is up there with Huddersfield's 50-game unbeaten streak which featured a 3-0 defeat in the middle of it. They drew 0-0 with Wolves. Penalty shootouts are used as a method to determine who advances in a competition, but it doesn't affect the result of the match itself.