alpine_saint Posted 3 December, 2017 Share Posted 3 December, 2017 Today's team selection and woeful effort on the pitch again demonstrates what a great, swollen, syphillitic, purple bell-end of a thread this is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 December, 2017 Share Posted 3 December, 2017 Today's team selection and woeful effort on the pitch again demonstrates what a great, swollen, syphillitic, purple bell-end of a thread this is.... Crawls out to bump threads rather watch the game. You are the biggest of all cu nts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 3 December, 2017 Share Posted 3 December, 2017 Today's team selection and woeful effort on the pitch again demonstrates what a great, swollen, syphillitic, purple bell-end of a thread this is.... Says the internets biggest bell end...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 3 December, 2017 Share Posted 3 December, 2017 Pipe down alpine you sound like a broken record.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Posted 4 December, 2017 Share Posted 4 December, 2017 As I said after the Everton game, the Bournemouth game is the big test. Win that and he'll have won me over. What if we dominate and our players miss sitters and we don’t win? Prescient ... having or showing knowledge of events before they take place. It wasn't a dominating performance but the gist of the comment still pertains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 December, 2017 Share Posted 4 December, 2017 Today's team selection and woeful effort on the pitch again demonstrates what a great, swollen, syphillitic, purple bell-end of a thread this is.... An excellently understated, well written, balanced view. Entirely based on the facts, and ignoring all ignorance and bias whatsoever. Well done Alps, keep them coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 4 December, 2017 Share Posted 4 December, 2017 Signs of improvement, but the jury is still out as far as I am concerned. How have we got into this position where we are thinking more about avoiding relegation rather than challenging for the top 6 or 8? MP has definitely lowered our expectations. 2 years ago we finished 3 points off a CL place! We are quite capable of beating Arsenal if we show ambition, and MP's team selection will tell us a lot. If he adopts a conservative/defensive line-up and we lose 0-1, then I think he is not the guy for us. MY brother-in-law is a Leicester fan and he is very happy with Puel at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 4 December, 2017 Share Posted 4 December, 2017 Signs of improvement, but the jury is still out as far as I am concerned. How have we got into this position where we are thinking more about avoiding relegation rather than challenging for the top 6 or 8? MP has definitely lowered our expectations. 2 years ago we finished 3 points off a CL place! We are quite capable of beating Arsenal if we show ambition, and MP's team selection will tell us a lot. If he adopts a conservative/defensive line-up and we lose 0-1, then I think he is not the guy for us. MY brother-in-law is a Leicester fan and he is very happy with Puel at the moment. those 3 words sum up every football fan! wait till it goes pear shaped and then we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 26 December, 2017 Share Posted 26 December, 2017 (edited) Residual effects from last season Are you a believer in post-puel-stress-disorder too, like our quack Glasgow? Romeu in interviews has spoken about the conservative/defensive tendencies of the manager which would partly contradict your claims. Be interested to know where you read this, since I've only ever read the opposite. But in answer to your question, yes, in general terms, I believe it's plausible that the effects of coaching, and confidence/form can transcend one season (although in this instance I was postulating). Edit: Anyway, I'm 'Pellegrino out' now Be interested to hear some of the reasoning from people who are still for him. Edited 26 December, 2017 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 26 December, 2017 Share Posted 26 December, 2017 Getting rid of Pellegrino right now would be short-sighted and a bit harsh. It has taken him a while to get good performances from the team but for me the team has been performing reasonable since the middle of October (a bit inconsistent though). We've hade som very good performances against Arsenal and Man City but only one point to show for it. Leicester was a low point but the result flattered Leicester, we hade som really big chances early in the match and missed them. If I had to grade our play (and not the result) in all matches since the middle of October it would be: Good: Arsenal, City, WBA, Everton (7 points) Decent: Burnley, Bournemouth, Chelsea, Huddersfield (2 points) Bad: Leicester, Brighton (1 point) Awful: Liverpool (0 points) Our biggest issue is not putting our chances away and conceding from relatively difficult chances from the opposition. Contrary to last year this isn't because were are not getting opportunities in the box. We are just missing rather big chances. Austin is getting a lot of cred for his goalscoring recently but he has missed a couple of sitters too. I think the players are not going to benefit from a new manager with new ideas. We need consistency after two summers with new managers. In the end I don't think the team is a lot better then it is performing but I do believe that are performances are better then our results. I don't believe changing our manager will get us better performances. I thought firing Puel was a bit harsh but the performances at the end of last season were truly awful. Pellegrino so far has not been close to those performances except for Liverpool and Crystal Palace (that was a horror show we were lucky to win). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 December, 2017 Share Posted 26 December, 2017 I lost you at 'Decent against Huddersfield' Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 26 December, 2017 Share Posted 26 December, 2017 I lost you at 'Decent against Huddersfield' Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Fair enough. I'm not saying xG is the answer to everything but look at the shot locations we hade versus Huddersfields. We should have scored more then one and did a decent job in preventing big chances from them (except for Yoshida losing his man för the equaliser). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 December, 2017 Share Posted 26 December, 2017 Fair enough. I'm not saying xG is the answer to everything but look at the shot locations we hade versus Huddersfields. We should have scored more then one and did a decent job in preventing big chances from them (except for Yoshida losing his man för the equaliser). The oppo were really poor. But we were worse, and our manager couldn’t see the glaring things wrong, mostly caused by his shocking selections. He also could not see the need to not sit back again and rest on one goal. We were utterly dire Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 26 December, 2017 Share Posted 26 December, 2017 Hopefully he’ll prove a few wrong today. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 26 December, 2017 Share Posted 26 December, 2017 Hopefully he’ll prove a few wrong today. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Not looking very likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 December, 2017 Share Posted 26 December, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 https://audioboom.com/posts/6571397-interview-mauricio-pellegrino-on-selling-van-dijk-being-more-positive-and-on-turning-saintsfc-season-around-in-conversation-with-adamblackmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 https://audioboom.com/posts/6571397-interview-mauricio-pellegrino-on-selling-van-dijk-being-more-positive-and-on-turning-saintsfc-season-around-in-conversation-with-adamblackmore So he’s basically blaming the players, saying he is going to change tactics lol, and ‘hopefully’ things will change.... Past commenting on his amateurism now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 https://audioboom.com/posts/6571397-interview-mauricio-pellegrino-on-selling-van-dijk-being-more-positive-and-on-turning-saintsfc-season-around-in-conversation-with-adamblackmore My mind drifts off when he speaks. I don't know what he's saying. And it's not about the accent, the words just don't make any sense. How on earth does this boring man motivate a team? I still can't believe we have replaced boring Puel with someone 100 times worse!!! I don't know wether to laugh or cry!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 https://audioboom.com/posts/6571397-interview-mauricio-pellegrino-on-selling-van-dijk-being-more-positive-and-on-turning-saintsfc-season-around-in-conversation-with-adamblackmore His comment about the work-rate of the defending against Spurs was laughable. I would have more respect if he said we were absolute sh*te against them and every player needs to up his effort and game or else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 https://audioboom.com/posts/6571397-interview-mauricio-pellegrino-on-selling-van-dijk-being-more-positive-and-on-turning-saintsfc-season-around-in-conversation-with-adamblackmore Could only bear to listen for about 2 minutes. Just a load of meaningless soundbites "we must improve leetle by leetle" blah ****in blah. Inspires absolutely zero confidence that he has the first ****ing clue how to sort this mess out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show me the mané Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 Getting rid of Pellegrino right now would be short-sighted and a bit harsh. It has taken him a while to get good performances from the team but for me the team has been performing reasonable since the middle of October (a bit inconsistent though). We've hade som very good performances against Arsenal and Man City but only one point to show for it. Leicester was a low point but the result flattered Leicester, we hade som really big chances early in the match and missed them. If I had to grade our play (and not the result) in all matches since the middle of October it would be: Good: Arsenal, City, WBA, Everton (7 points) Decent: Burnley, Bournemouth, Chelsea, Huddersfield (2 points) Bad: Leicester, Brighton (1 point) Awful: Liverpool (0 points) Our biggest issue is not putting our chances away and conceding from relatively difficult chances from the opposition. Contrary to last year this isn't because were are not getting opportunities in the box. We are just missing rather big chances. Austin is getting a lot of cred for his goalscoring recently but he has missed a couple of sitters too. I think the players are not going to benefit from a new manager with new ideas. We need consistency after two summers with new managers. In the end I don't think the team is a lot better then it is performing but I do believe that are performances are better then our results. I don't believe changing our manager will get us better performances. I thought firing Puel was a bit harsh but the performances at the end of last season were truly awful. Pellegrino so far has not been close to those performances except for Liverpool and Crystal Palace (that was a horror show we were lucky to win). Decent against Huddersfield and not awful against Leicester? I'll have a pint of what you're on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 28 December, 2017 Share Posted 28 December, 2017 Ultimately it's not losing to Spurs Chelsea or Liverpool away that'll be his downfall, many will lose to those, although we were beyond pathetic in two of those. But to get 0 wins from Burnley, Leicester, Huddersfield, Swansea, Watford and Newcastle at home and Stoke, Brighton and Bournemouth away is ridiculous and he should be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 I know most don't agree, but I think we have a good manager. Hopefully now VVD has left it has removed a lot of unsettling trouble behind the scenes, and the players will step up and play. It's evident that he hasn't lost the dressing room, and he is not afraid to change things to make it work. He deserves to be backed in the window and given until the end of the season at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 I know most don't agree, but I think we have a good manager. Hopefully now VVD has left it has removed a lot of unsettling trouble behind the scenes, and the players will step up and play. It's evident that he hasn't lost the dressing room, and he is not afraid to change things to make it work. He deserves to be backed in the window and given until the end of the season at present. I fully expect McCarthy will now be dropped after his clean sheet - it's the Pellegrino way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 I fully expect McCarthy will now be dropped after his clean sheet - it's the Pellegrino way! I will be very dissapointed if he does that tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 I know most don't agree, but I think we have a good manager. Hopefully now VVD has left it has removed a lot of unsettling trouble behind the scenes, and the players will step up and play. It's evident that he hasn't lost the dressing room, and he is not afraid to change things to make it work. He deserves to be backed in the window and given until the end of the season at present. It was a backs against the wall point. Very welcome, but these games won't determine our safety, it will be winning games against the so called lesser teams, and until he proves he can manage that I remain unconvinced. We still can't score, and if we don't solve that we'll be down, just with one more point from tonight than we would have been without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 It was a backs against the wall point. Very welcome, but these games won't determine our safety, it will be winning games against the so called lesser teams, and until he proves he can manage that I remain unconvinced. We still can't score, and if we don't solve that we'll be down, just with one more point from tonight than we would have been without. Agree fully with that - and why we need an active transfer window, and early on as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 (edited) It was a backs against the wall point. Very welcome, but these games won't determine our safety, it will be winning games against the so called lesser teams, and until he proves he can manage that I remain unconvinced. We still can't score, and if we don't solve that we'll be down, just with one more point from tonight than we would have been without. Don't disagree, I just think he is hamstrung somewhat by the squad he has, and by the issues with VVD, Bertrand, Gabbi etc all wanting out. Not easy to come in and manage all that. He needs to be backed by our black box recruitment system and then given the season to see how he does. He has also been using Stephens, Target and McQueen vs Chelsea, Tottenham and United. None of them are that level of quality (yet). Although it is great to see them in the team and playing well. Edited 30 December, 2017 by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 I fully expect McCarthy will now be dropped after his clean sheet - it's the Pellegrino way! Really? when was the last time a keeper kept a clean sheet and he dropped him. Can't you stop with the sniping for tonight. I doubt if there's one person, even you, who really believes FF will be in nets Tuesday (unless McCarthy is injured). It's less than an hour since the end of the game and we've have the "he'll drop McCarthy joke" from different posters about 6 times already. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 30 December, 2017 Share Posted 30 December, 2017 Really? when was the last time a keeper kept a clean sheet and he dropped him. Can't you stop with the sniping for tonight. I doubt if there's one person, even you, who really believes FF will be in nets Tuesday (unless McCarthy is injured). It's less than an hour since the end of the game and we've have the "he'll drop McCarthy joke" from different posters about 6 times already. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No way will he drop him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 31 December, 2017 Share Posted 31 December, 2017 Pleased for him yesterday. How about we now stop acting like children and actually get behind the team and him rather than stamping our feet and doing pathetic social media protests after poor runs of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 31 December, 2017 Share Posted 31 December, 2017 Maybe VVD was a cancer at the club. Palace will be the deciding game. Lose or draw and Pellegrino has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 31 December, 2017 Share Posted 31 December, 2017 I say back him, and ship out the Billy Big Boots players who want out. 1 or 2 shrewd buys up front and at the back and I think we would start motoring up the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 31 December, 2017 Share Posted 31 December, 2017 Maybe VVD was a cancer at the club. Palace will be the deciding game. Lose or draw and Pellegrino has to go. Yeah, pretty much this. I don't think changing the manager is going to achieve much though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 31 December, 2017 Share Posted 31 December, 2017 Yeah, pretty much this. I don't think changing the manager is going to achieve much though. You agree that if we fail to beat Palace then we should sack Pellegrino , but don't think it will achieve much? so what would be the point then? Don't get your logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 Southampton give Mauricio Pellegrino their 'full backing' despite slide towards relegation zone - @JWTelegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/03/southamptonchairman-gives-full-backing-mauricio-pellegrino-despiteperilousproximity/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 Southampton give Mauricio Pellegrino their 'full backing' despite slide towards relegation zone - @JWTelegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/03/southamptonchairman-gives-full-backing-mauricio-pellegrino-despiteperilousproximity/ 'He's not an excuse guy and we like the human being he is, the coach he is, and the potential for our squad moving forward with him in the lead' He might be a 'nice guy' but he's a lousy manager. Has Krueger been watching anything? Heads firmly in the sand and relegation looking like a scary possibility now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 You agree that if we fail to beat Palace then we should sack Pellegrino , but don't think it will achieve much? so what would be the point then? Don't get your logic. I think we will sack him now. I don't think it will achieve much. Don't seem to be many good managers about and I think this team won't be relegated regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 It's sad, but so much of what I see on the pitch reminds me of 2005. A lack of the basic ability to pass the ball, a total inability to build on leads in the first half & defence/midfield dropping deeper and deeper until we concede until we lose, and a general lack of motivation aomngst the players. I'm not a fan of sacking managers mid-season but, provided a suitable replacement can be found, I don't see what the alternative is. Last season, we lacked goals but at least Puel had us organised and with hindsight, probably got the best out of the group of players. Under Pellegrino, we are not seeing any improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 I'm a big fan of the way he's improved nobody in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 I'm a big fan of the way he's improved nobody in the squad. Don't you think both Boufal and Hojbjerg have improved a lot since last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 Don't you think both Boufal and Hojbjerg have improved a lot since last year? Will give you Hojbjerg. Claude probably got more output out of Boufal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 Feels like the Puel hangover is starting to ease..... As predicted. Think alot underestimated the damage last season did. Great prediction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 January, 2018 Share Posted 3 January, 2018 I never rated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 3 February, 2018 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2018 That's a 7 match unbeaten we're on run now. We haven't lost a game this year. OK, he's no Pochettino, but I honestly don't think Reed will bring anyone better in if he sacks him. Pellegrino's certainly at least as good as the Pardew and Hughes types and a far more likeable character. His biggest mistake was not playing Austin when he was available earlier in the season. He has been left a squad, which apart from Austin, has no reliable goal scorer up front and that has been the real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 3 February, 2018 Share Posted 3 February, 2018 That's a 7 match unbeaten we're on run now. We haven't lost a game this year. OK, he's no Pochettino, but I honestly don't think Reed will bring anyone better in if he sacks him. Pellegrino's certainly at least as good as the Pardew and Hughes types and a far more likeable character. His biggest mistake was not playing Austin when he was available earlier in the season. He has been left a squad, which apart from Austin, has no reliable goal scorer up front and that has been the real problem. He took forever to notice that both Forster and Redmond are tripe though. And to play Lemina. And Boufal. And not sit back on one nil leads. And to make substitutions. But hey. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 3 February, 2018 Share Posted 3 February, 2018 He's still a clown. The WBA result doesn't change this, just as the Everton one didn't. We are still in a relagation scrap and he isn't the man to ensure we stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 3 February, 2018 Share Posted 3 February, 2018 That's a 7 match unbeaten we're on run now. We haven't lost a game this year. OK, he's no Pochettino, but I honestly don't think Reed will bring anyone better in if he sacks him. Pellegrino's certainly at least as good as the Pardew and Hughes types and a far more likeable character. His biggest mistake was not playing Austin when he was available earlier in the season. He has been left a squad, which apart from Austin, has no reliable goal scorer up front and that has been the real problem. We lost to Palace- that was our first game this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 February, 2018 Share Posted 3 February, 2018 That's a 7 match unbeaten we're on run now. We haven't lost a game this year. OK, he's no Pochettino, but I honestly don't think Reed will bring anyone better in if he sacks him. Pellegrino's certainly at least as good as the Pardew and Hughes types and a far more likeable character. His biggest mistake was not playing Austin when he was available earlier in the season. He has been left a squad, which apart from Austin, has no reliable goal scorer up front and that has been the real problem. I am frakly gobsmacked that you resurrected this thread on the back of one squeaky-bum scraped win. He has a LONG way to go to rehabilitate himself in the fan-bases‘ eyes. Have a word with yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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