Professor Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Has looked a competent CB but is he still the £50m plus player people had come to think he was. Had we sold to Liverpool in the summer you have to wonder if he would be playing better. Could the problem motivation in a poorly performing team, despite him being reported as saying he's now committed to Saints? Problem for the club is that on one hand we have three other decent CBs, two full internationals and one under-21 international, so we could manage without him, but on the other hand, has VVD's value diminished to the point where he's no longer worth selling? I'm inclined to think the club will keep him in the hope that he will again hit the heights if the team around him begins to perform better. It would be shame to let him go for about £15m and then see his value escalate again.
stknowle Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 We should sell him. Hoedt/Yoshi/Stephens perfectly adequate for this league. We've probably cost ourselves money by not selling the malcontent C U N T in the summer.
thorpie the sinner Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Reckon he is odds on to go in Jan, more than likely to City! Still think we will get £60 min
beatlesaint Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 I was always in favour of keeping him until the summer. Having watched him today I’m not too bothered if we cash in on him in January.
sisi1992 Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Personally I think we should sell him. But I think the board will keep him for the season and sell him next summer, I think the intention from the board was for him to stay for the season after making him stay put last summer.
SuperSAINT Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Has looked a competent CB but is he still the £50m plus player people had come to think he was. Had we sold to Liverpool in the summer you have to wonder if he would be playing better. Could the problem motivation in a poorly performing team, despite him being reported as saying he's now committed to Saints? Problem for the club is that on one hand we have three other decent CBs, two full internationals and one under-21 international, so we could manage without him, but on the other hand, has VVD's value diminished to the point where he's no longer worth selling? I'm inclined to think the club will keep him in the hope that he will again hit the heights if the team around him begins to perform better. It would be shame to let him go for about £15m and then see his value escalate again. Sell in the summer. Liverpool's need for a centre-back is unlikely to dissipate in the next few months.
Disco Stu Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 I'd rather not. If they did, I'd expect a QUALITY offensive signing coming in.
Saint_John Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Keep him. He should only be allowed to go in the summer for a figure in excess of £70m. (please stop quoting that cut price figure of 50 that is planted in the press by the bin dippers)
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Yes. He doesn't really look like he wants to be here.
tajjuk Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Hoedt looks a good enough replacement to me and I don't think Stephens has done anything wrong to drop so far out of contention. But not sure in January, not sure we can re-invest as well and we might be struggling and need of everyone we have. I'd like to see us make signings in Jan, but either with money we already have or loans with a view to buy (someone like Walcott on that sort of deal might be worth it)
Wade Garrett Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 If we could spend the money on the right players in January, I wouldn't be that bothered if he went.
SW5 SAINT Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Lets hope he has a brilliant game on Wednesday..........
Sour Mash Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 He doesn't want to be here and isn't giving it his all. Anything north of £60m, we should sell and reinvest.
adrian lord Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 I think we might have missed the boat for getting the really big money for him. 60m offer - we should take it and run.
aintforever Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Flog him to anyone and invest the cash in areas where it is needed. The clubs stance in the summer was admirable, and maybe necessary but I wouldn’t be surprised if the situation has effected morale in the squad.
Colinjb Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Sell him to anyone but Liverpool for the right price.
Harry_SFC Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 I'd get rid in January and re-invest in a few quality replacements. Hoedt has been better than him in the majority of games I've seen.. He clearly isn't bothered.
Roger Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Only we could start this thread after a 4-1 win. He won a record 13 headers today so anyone saying he was poor joh on. Keep him.
St Chalet Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Everyone saying VVD isn’t giving it his all has forgotten how he played pre-injury / transfer fiasco. He looks languid but is a top top player.
Mr X Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 yes he should be sold as his hearts definitely not here but that's not the point, what was the point in us doing everything in our power to keep him here when he was being a complete diva if we were going to sell him in January anyway!
macca155 Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Keep him, love him and make him feel wanted. I thought he played well and totally dominated the defence. However he looks lost, lonely, and struggling to find his place in the club. His ego says I'm billy big ******** give me the big time and the cash. The reality has kicked in now, he has lost the fans, I'm guessing the players as well, and I bet potential suitors will laugh at a 60 million price tag. He is one of the worlds best centre halves, I'd like to see him in red and white a while longer. Forgive and move on life is too short. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
sambosa75 Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 As long as isn't to Liverpool and the bulk of the money is re-invested in the team I wouldn't object. Luckily the length of his contract still left to run should dictate we still get £50+ for him.
BARCELONASAINT Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 I watched him towards the end of his time with Celtic and he is exactly the same player now as he was then when he knew his future was elsewhere. He really just went through the motions towards the end of his time with Celtic and he's doing exactly the same now. I hate feeling so negative about a Saints player but i have to say there are 3/4 players in the current squad that i wish was just **** off!
Bridge Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Yep...get rid and invest the money on some good forwards
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 No, sell in the summer This, he wont go in January
lloydie Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 Sell him to anyone but Liverpool. £50+ and he can go to City. Has a terrible attitude and isn’t playing particularly well atm.
saintwbu Posted 26 November, 2017 Posted 26 November, 2017 We had this when people realised Mane and Wanyama weren't going to stick around. People said Mane was lazy and half hearted, and look at the difference between his final season and what we are like now and tell me he wasn't contributing! Van Dijk is playing fine, defence hasn't been our problem. If I was a top defender and was watching the players in front of me not pulling their weight I probably wouldn't be at my happiest either.
DuncanRG Posted 27 November, 2017 Posted 27 November, 2017 I'd only sell if we have good attacking signings lined up and that's the only way to pay for them. Otherwise, we're in far too precarious a position to be selling any good players, let alone our best.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 November, 2017 Posted 27 November, 2017 Sell...his head is still elsewhere and the Money is calling him. Need to re-invest.
DT Posted 27 November, 2017 Posted 27 November, 2017 Only sell if we buy a top class keeper and striker with the proceeds. And definitely not to Liverpool. He is our best player, though, so might not be a great idea when we're still not very safe in the league
GarrettIvo Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 Someone please point out to me what he did or didn't do against the Toffees that suggests he wasn't giving his all?
Ultimatt Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 I say get rid if we get a proper offer and don't waste the money. If we get towards the end of the season in a relegation battle he'll hardly fight to keep us up. It'll probably benefit him for us to be relegated.
igsey Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 After the CB fiasco last year where VvD got injured and Fonte buggered off, we'd be mental to sell a defender in January and land ourselves in the same situation.
Evil Monkey Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 I think he'll go in January. We've made our stand. £60m to City, unless we can bully Liverpool to part with a couple of their best youngsters. £40m plus Solanke and Ward perhaps.
Monk Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 Hoedt looks a good enough replacement to me and I don't think Stephens has done anything wrong to drop so far out of contention. But not sure in January, not sure we can re-invest as well and we might be struggling and need of everyone we have. I'd like to see us make signings in Jan, but either with money we already have or loans with a view to buy (someone like Walcott on that sort of deal might be worth it) This, I'm so frustrated by this decision. He looked very useful, especially in possession, looked to break lines. Reminded me of Virgil at times. Would've liked to have seen him play alongside VVD.
Charlie Wayman Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 If indeed we are at last building momentum then we would not want to mess about too much with the present line up. If VVD was off in January what would have been the point of making him a regular starter in the team and especially forming a partnership with his fellow countryman, where his role is as a team member in his own right and as a mentor for the younger player. On Sunday it was very noticeable how Hoedt mimicked van Dyke in style especially striding forward with the ball trying to build attacks. I suspect that the decision was made at the beginning of the season that VVD would stay for one more season which actually benefits the player as it gives him the chance to get back up to full speed without the full glare of the spotlight that would have been on him at a bigger club where patience is in short supply. Look what has happened to Morgan and don't say it couldn't have happened to Virgil because it could. I want him to stay until the summer, he should stay and probably has already agreed to do so. Realistically very few 'big moves' happen in January so even historical precedent makes it unlikely. We'll have to tackle Europe next season without him 'though.
SuperSAINT Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 This, I'm so frustrated by this decision. He looked very useful, especially in possession, looked to break lines. Reminded me of Virgil at times. Would've liked to have seen him play alongside VVD. It's funny, I was reflecting on Austin's 2 goals & about how I hope he doesn't get injured again & it reminded me about how good a job Claude actually did after losing both VvD & Austin for the 2nd half of the season last season. He just seemed to just casually put Stephens into the mix & he did so well for a young lad. (Who, lets be honest couldn't get into Boro's championship side!)
Micky Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 Sell in January? No, keep to the end of the season and then sell to anybody but Liverpool. (I'm bitter and I bear grudges!)
RobM Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 If it's a choice between Jan and next Summer, I choose Jan. Just get on with it, since we know it's going to happen anyway, so we can start building a team for the longer term. As for who we sell to... whoever pays the most. I don't care, he won't be a Saints player at that point, so why would I?
red&white56 Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 Sell in January but not to Liverpool at any price, as punishment for their tapping up activities in the summer. If nobody but Liverpool come for him then sod it, we should keep him.
SuperSAINT Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 Sell in January but not to Liverpool at any price, as punishment for their tapping up activities in the summer. If nobody but Liverpool come for him then sod it, we should keep him. Genuine question: Next summer, if City came in with £60m & Liverpool with £80m - Who would you sell him to?
Colinjb Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 Genuine question: Next summer, if City came in with £60m & Liverpool with £80m - Who would you sell him to? City. An emotional rather then logical decision, but 60m is still a damn good amount.
ErwinK1961 Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 Genuine question: Next summer, if City came in with £60m & Liverpool with £80m - Who would you sell him to? No logical person would take £20m less to prove a point. That buys another Lemina. It's easy to act emotional when it's not your money.
Dusic Posted 28 November, 2017 Posted 28 November, 2017 Wouldn't sell in January for these reasons: 1. It would have been largely pointless going through the whole fiasco of the summer just to sell after he has played about 15 more games. 2. Fees are likely to be higher in the summer. 3. We could still get relegated and VVD improves our team without question. 4. Its hard to find quality players in Jan to spend the money on. 5. I wouldn't trust the club to spend it well in January as proven by the utter cluster**** we made of the CB situation last year, resulting in us grovelling to Caceres who was a complete last resort. Sell in the summer.
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