Charlie Wayman Posted 22 November, 2017 Share Posted 22 November, 2017 I suppose the best way to protest this weekend is to stay away. Bet there will be no sign of Liebherr or Gao and good bet Reed will be elsewhere as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 22 November, 2017 Share Posted 22 November, 2017 Hopefully interviewing a new manager/putting finishing touches on new striker deal. Hope is all that is left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 November, 2017 Share Posted 22 November, 2017 (edited) Hopefully interviewing a new manager/putting finishing touches on new striker deal. Hope is all that is left. Why don't you just hope Shane Long suddenly becomes a world beating striker and that JWP final comes good as the new Pirlo this weekend..... Edited 22 November, 2017 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 22 November, 2017 Share Posted 22 November, 2017 Niasse banned. Got to be good news but will look even worse for MP if we do lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Fair enough, looks like Koeman did change things a bit, he certainly played 5across the back in the next game against Palace, but some reports show Bertrand playing MF against Everton. Anyway this is not the major turnaround most people remember, which was after the appalling run in December when Koeman was coming under serious pressure and he switched formation and stuck with it for several weeks. It also coincided with Forster's return. Ultimately Koeman saved Saints with his switch but fell out with Reed (Les) which lead to his departure. What was it, 7 former (or current) u21's played in that match or something. Shame Koeman fell out with Reed/Tadic etc. Club has imploded since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC-TID! Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Davis is injured. Don’t know the serverity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Davis is injured. Don’t know the serverity. So Hoj and JWP as our holding midfielders...bodes well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Have to go to 3 at the back and 2 up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Have to go to 3 at the back and 2 up front. Why in God's name would we go three at the back when they have no strikers to mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Do you think, that if we win, this place will calm down a bit? I certainly hope so! Also, I think we will win. 2-0 to saints. Yes, I did just predict an opposition team won't score against us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Do you think, that if we win, this place will calm down a bit? I certainly hope so! Also, I think we will win. 2-0 to saints. Yes, I did just predict an opposition team won't score against us.... A *bit*. A little bit. Then we go to Man City three days later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Do you think, that if we win, this place will calm down a bit? I certainly hope so! Also, I think we will win. 2-0 to saints. Yes, I did just predict an opposition team won't score against us.... Of course it will, but we'll see if it lasts. Man City we can write off really, it's a free hit for us. Didn't Pellegrino's Alaves beat Barcelona last season? And we drew up there last season (Redmond goal!!) so who knows what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 (edited) So Hoj and JWP as our holding midfielders...bodes well... They kept Fulham's under 23s down to 4 goals the other day so we should be fine.... So Davis, Lemina and Romeu out. This season just keeps getting better its going to be a long winter... Edited 23 November, 2017 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Of course it will, but we'll see if it lasts. Man City we can write off really, it's a free hit for us. Didn't Pellegrino's Alaves beat Barcelona last season? And we drew up there last season (Redmond goal!!) so who knows what will happen. Not if we get beat 6 nil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Of course it will, but we'll see if it lasts. Man City we can write off really, it's a free hit for us. Didn't Pellegrino's Alaves beat Barcelona last season? And we drew up there last season (Redmond goal!!) so who knows what will happen. yeah that wont happen this time. They are playing much better than the city team that destroyed as SMS second half of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Mauricio Pellegrino, the complete coach who hates losing and frets when he wins Oh the irony https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jun/24/mauricio-pellegrino-complete-coach-southampton-manager Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CylonKing Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 I didn't watch all of the Fulham U23 match but what from what I did see, I thought PEHoj looked pretty good. Some decent tackling, a decent effort on target, some good tracking back. Think he should be given a chance. I remember everyone slagging of Morgan in his first few seasons and it took him a while to show his undoubted class for us. Think PEH is similar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 (edited) Mauricio Pellegrino, the complete coach who hates losing and frets when he wins Oh the irony https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jun/24/mauricio-pellegrino-complete-coach-southampton-manager Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Reading this should at least dispel the daft notion that he's clueless or 'out of his depth', but his belief in tight attacking organisation does smack of Van Gaal at United. Edited 23 November, 2017 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Reading this should at least dispel the daft notion that he's clueless or 'out of his depth'. That write up seems to suggest that he prefers a highly rigid formation with little space for creativity, strange that's the way we seem to be playing, isn't it? Little space for flair players or those who take chances and drift from their positions to join the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 I didn't watch all of the Fulham U23 match but what from what I did see, I thought PEHoj looked pretty good. Some decent tackling, a decent effort on target, some good tracking back. Think he should be given a chance. I remember everyone slagging of Morgan in his first few seasons and it took him a while to show his undoubted class for us. Think PEH is similar! I agree, I think there's a decent player in PEH waiting to come out, I hope we persist with him. I'd like to see him at some point alongside Romeu freeing Lemina up to play a further forward creative role (presuming no-one's tapped him up while out injured!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 That write up seems to suggest that he prefers a highly rigid formation with little space for creativity, strange that's the way we seem to be playing, isn't it? Little space for flair players or those who take chances and drift from their positions to join the attack. Indeed - just edited my post to reflect that. It may or may not make him a poor fit, but it doesn't make him an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 That write up seems to suggest that he prefers a highly rigid formation with little space for creativity, strange that's the way we seem to be playing, isn't it? Little space for flair players or those who take chances and drift from their positions to join the attack. Blimey, yes - a 'positional game' would seem a good, if generous, description of our tactics. A shame his interpretation of it seems to lead to a game without movement. Contrasts quite sharply with the Poch-era directive that the team should play from positions rather than in positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Reading this should at least dispel the daft notion that he's clueless or 'out of his depth', but his belief in tight attacking organisation does smack of Van Gaal at United. I remember reading this article when he joined, was one of the reasons I was excited by his arrival. He's yet to demonstrate any of this great tactical nous though, nor does he appear to be getting the best out of the players from a motivational perspective. What positives have you seen from him/us so far? (and that's a genuine question, not a sarcastic one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 I remember reading this article when he joined, was one of the reasons I was excited by his arrival. He's yet to demonstrate any of this great tactical nous though, nor does he appear to be getting the best out of the players from a motivational perspective. What positives have you seen from him/us so far? (and that's a genuine question, not a sarcastic one) Well, he is changing things up most games which shows he is trying to adapt. And he is clearly intelligent and analytical about the game. I honestly don't think he has the players to play how he wants and has found the premiership a steep learning curve which he has somewhat wasted on rigid tactics. The confidence has now drained from the team (and perhaps him as well), and he is going into a tough run of games. I think (and hope) that if we stick with him, he will come good. It also annoys me that the fans are blaming the manager when at least he is mixing things up, when in reality all of us can see the glaring weaknesses in the team (that have not been addressed over yet another wasteful summer), and when the fans have lambasted plenty of previous managers for sticking religiously to just one lineup for loss after loss after loss. I'd stick with MoPey so far, but I would expect an upturn in performances (if not results) by christmas. If that doesn't happen then i'll be worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 November, 2017 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2017 I'd definitely put Hesketh on the bench, or even start him instead of either Redmond or Tadic. He can actually pass forwards without taking 7 touches. He is exactly what Gabbiadini or even long needs. Indeed. I remember Sims playing in this game last season & was brilliant - Such a shame he's been injured. Hesketh literally cannot possibly offer less than Tadic, currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 So Everton play tonight and then have an early kick off on Sunday. Not nice for them, good for us though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 November, 2017 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2017 So Everton play tonight and then have an early kick off on Sunday. Not nice for them, good for us though. Here's how they line up tonight: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 If we can't beat this shower at home, we should give up playing football and build a museum on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Hesketh has to, at the very least, be on the bench. Should start really. Or start him at Man City for the surprise factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 November, 2017 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2017 So Hoj and JWP as our holding midfielders...bodes well... They will have to considerably up their games after their respective performances vs Fulham U23's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Everton 0-1 down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Massive club ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 November, 2017 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2017 @OptaJoe: 12 - Everton have conceded at least once in each of their last 12 games in all competitions, including in all six under David Unsworth. Fragile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 @OptaJoe: 12 - Everton have conceded at least once in each of their last 12 games in all competitions, including in all six under David Unsworth. Fragile. We should be able to change their fortunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 [ATTACH=CONFIG]2566[/ATTACH] Massive club ! They've sold out well over 3,000 for the match down here on Sunday, despite being absolute sh*te (just like us) and live on national TV. One thing you can't knock them for is excellent travelling support. If the fixture was reversed this weekend and on the box we'd struggle for a thousand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 They've sold out well over 3,000 for the match down here on Sunday, despite being absolute sh*te (just like us) and live on national TV. One thing you can't knock them for is excellent travelling support. If the fixture was reversed this weekend and on the box we'd struggle for a thousand. Does £20 a ticket make a difference? 2-0 down now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Well, he is changing things up most games which shows he is trying to adapt. And he is clearly intelligent and analytical about the game. I honestly don't think he has the players to play how he wants and has found the premiership a steep learning curve which he has somewhat wasted on rigid tactics. The confidence has now drained from the team (and perhaps him as well), and he is going into a tough run of games. I think (and hope) that if we stick with him, he will come good. It also annoys me that the fans are blaming the manager when at least he is mixing things up, when in reality all of us can see the glaring weaknesses in the team (that have not been addressed over yet another wasteful summer), and when the fans have lambasted plenty of previous managers for sticking religiously to just one lineup for loss after loss after loss. I'd stick with MoPey so far, but I would expect an upturn in performances (if not results) by christmas. If that doesn't happen then i'll be worried. That's fair. I guess my issue with him is that even though he is trying different things, it doesn't seem like he is identifying and changing the right things. The only time I noticed a change in style/purpose not just formation was the first 20 minutes of the Newcastle game, when we took everyone out the middle and looked to get round the outside instead. But again I didn't think it was executed particularly well, and it didn't take long for Benitez to change things and snuff out that threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Losing 5-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Losing 1-5. Can't lose to this lot. Surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Possibly the worst possible result for us . There should be a reaction from the Everton players on Sunday if they have any sort of pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 November, 2017 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Losing 1-5. Can't lose to this lot. Surely. We'd have to score though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 The only 'Southampton Way' I know is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 0-3 loss incoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Seems that Everton have really picked up since the Koeman exit. Will be a tricky one for us but can see us nicking a 5-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 The only 'Southampton Way' I know is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 0-3 loss incoming How can a game we do not lead in at any point be considered to be in 'the jaws of victory'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 Both teams frankly undermanaged. Long shot (not literally of course) but I have a feeling MP feeling the pressure might kick the players up the arse for this one. 2-1 Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/who-the-heck-are-we-going-to-pick-as-centre-halves-on-sunday.100582/ Everton fans seem happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 How can a game we do not lead in at any point be considered to be in 'the jaws of victory'? Good point I guess, although more referring to the fact that, given Everton's position, we are the heavy favourites to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 If we **** this up we are doomed. Everton are ****ing ****e while we are just ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 After watching them tonight this has the potential to be the worst game ever dished up at St Mary’s So I’m going for a 4-4 thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 23 November, 2017 Share Posted 23 November, 2017 https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/who-the-heck-are-we-going-to-pick-as-centre-halves-on-sunday.100582/ Everton fans seem happy Bfs the flavour of the month there too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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