Glen Roeder sacked.

[bjk]

Typical.They should have a new manager installed just in time to play us.New manager means an instant better performance.They along with Forest will probably be ok now

[bjk]

Didnt see the other thread.

[The Tango Man]

HGDAGJFU...certainly not any worse

[bjk]

thread above mate!

 

but seriously, why will they probably be ok now?

 

if we sack Jan, will we "probably be ok now" before we've even appointed anyone?

 

Teams always seem to instantly improve with a new manager hence why i think they'll stay up now.

[RinNY]

Teams always seem to instantly improve with a new manager hence why i think they'll stay up now.

 

Like we did when we got Redknapp in you mean? The "new manager effect" is at best a blip: for a few games, players can raise their games as they seek to impress the new guy; but in the longer run, players and teams play to their intrinsic abilities, and it takes months and money for a good new manager to change a dysfunctional team and a losing mindset.

 

More interestingly, Roeder is just the sort of veteran manager, with plenty of Prem & CCC experience, that the "Poortvliet out" crowd keep suggesting would make all the difference for us. Interesting how these experienced "saviour" types, the likes of Billy Davies and Ian Dowie and Alan Pardew, keep getting fired by other clubs for failing, eh? And yet there are still folks saying that a manager like that would solve our problems. Can't they see that these managers fail as often, or rather more often, than they succeed? That in the end, a manager is only as good as the players and set up he has to wok with? That under our circumstances -- no money, and forced to play kids and veteran cast-offs -- no-one, however experienced or inexperienced, is likely to do much better than the manager we have, and that -- a possible "new manager effect" blip of a game or two aside -- we are better off with stability and keeping a steady ship?

[Window Cleaner]

HGDAGJFU...certainly not any worse

 

We're talking about Glen Roeder here !!!!!

[Scummer]

More interestingly, Roeder is just the sort of veteran manager, with plenty of Prem & CCC experience, that the "Poortvliet out" crowd keep suggesting would make all the difference for us. Interesting how these experienced "saviour" types, the likes of Billy Davies and Ian Dowie and Alan Pardew, keep getting fired by other clubs for failing, eh?

 

He's nothing like any of those other managers you mention.

[Window Cleaner]

Teams always seem to instantly improve with a new manager hence why i think they'll stay up now.

 

 

 

What like Charlton and us under Gorman and Dodd???

Or even Watford with that wallah they've got now, whatisname Rodgers, Chelsea sidekick of some sort. The "new manager" theory remains to be proved by anything more that circumstantial evidence.

[Window Cleaner]

He's nothing like any of those other managers you mention.

 

Except that he gets fired quite a bit.

You know sometimes even the best managers can do nothing whatsoever with a big bunch of absolute tossers that they inherit on joining the club. If the club has sufficient funds a couple of tweaks here and there may give good results but on the whole it's not an instant process. On the other hand there are bad managers who can do nothing at all with real talent but get reasonable results with a bunch of jackasses, ie Mark Hughes. Can't handle talent, plain for all to see.

[um pahars]

That in the end, a manager is only as good as the players and set up he has to wok with?

 

Absolute tosh.

 

Are you seriously suugesting that a manager has no impact on the performance of is team?

 

Whilst money and status may determine certain issues, for starters a manager can have a massive impact on what players he has and what the set up is.

 

And then of course a manager will have a massive impact on how those resources perform (motivation, tactics, line uo, training regime, discipline, fitness, priorities, guile, acquisitions, etc etc etc).

 

You will never be able to hold one manager up against another in the truest sense (as no two managers have exactly the same circumstances etc), but are you seriously saying there is nothing between say Bill Shankly and Steve Wigley???