Wade Garrett Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 It doesn't matter what you think of walcott. Fact is the club wanted him and couldn't get it over the line, everton have roughly the same turnover as us so we should be able to compete on wages, ffp????? The fault clearly lies with who's selling the club to the player, who that is, we can make our own minds up Good point. Lawrie Mac was a brilliant salesman for the club. Les probably isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 It doesn't matter what you think of walcott. Fact is the club wanted him and couldn't get it over the line, everton have roughly the same turnover as us so we should be able to compete on wages, ffp????? The fault clearly lies with who's selling the club to the player, who that is, we can make our own minds up VFTT who appears ITK on this has stated several times the main issue was our league position Theo was not convinced we could avoid relegation (not an unreasonable assumption) and had no desire to be playing in the championship 6 months after leaving Arsenal. Everton are going to be solid mid table this season so it was a much harder sell than you are making out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 VFTT who appears ITK on this has stated several times the main issue was our league position Theo was not convinced we could avoid relegation (not an unreasonable assumption) and had no desire to be playing in the championship 6 months after leaving Arsenal. Everton are going to be solid mid table this season so it was a much harder sell than you are making out. Doesn't say much about his own self belief either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 According to someone at the club this morning, pay was the issue with Theo. We have a cap of £100k. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 I remember watching VVD and Clasie play for the Dutch against Wales a few years back. Clasie was playing along side Wesley Sneijder and looked quality yet never replicated that in a saints shirt meanwhile VVD was being taken to the cleaners by some young welsh players who played for some lower league English club he never looked that bad in a saints shirt. A lot of the England squad look better when playing for their club sides than they do when they pull on the three lions and suddenly look really ordinary. Exactly. VVD's performances for the Dutch national team thus far are still questionable as he looks vulnarable in some ways. Clasie seems to be doing ok now for Bruges which is one of the better teams in a poor competition. Yesterday PSV sold Locadia to Brighton, a very mediocre attacker in the Dutch competition who is now joining a PL side, you can only expect he will utterly fail but who knows. The odds are against him but he might get lucky and score a few goals in his first appearances, getting more confidence. The same goes for Promes, you can never really know if he's cut out for the PL until he actually plays in this competition for a couple of months. But 30 million to take that risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 VFTT who appears ITK on this has stated several times the main issue was our league position Theo was not convinced we could avoid relegation (not an unreasonable assumption) and had no desire to be playing in the championship 6 months after leaving Arsenal. Everton are going to be solid mid table this season so it was a much harder sell than you are making out. Absolute rubbish..Of course Walcott was not going to say it's about wages..however when we wouldn't or couldn't match theirs it was all over. Otherwise he would have never even entertained us would he? He knew our position before his agent started talking to us, or are the ITK's suggesting he has only just looked at the league table? It's not like we have just got in this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Everton were happy paying him £2 million a year more than us. Of course it was about the money. It ALWAYS is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Having trouble liking players from Amsterdam? Promes has been one of the attackers that at least look like scoring even without Robben in the team. He can play centrally in a 4-4-2 but also as a winger in a front three. And maybe most important, he creates his own chances with his speed and trickery which makes him less reliant on a functioning team around him. Nope, usually the better players in the Netherlands are from Amsterdam or used to play for Ajax, no grudges there. I didn't see any trickery from Promes in the national team at all, maybe he left his magic wand in Russia? But then again, I haven't seen any of his games in Russia (I guess many here have never seen him play) so it's difficult to make a real judgement. However , based on his appaearances for the national team it's justified to doubt his ability to adept to the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 And I've heard the big problem is ever more aggressive agents. We have a good scouting setup, identify a player. Once upon a time the player and agent would be happy that we're offering an opportunity and just negotiate with Saints. Now, the moment we approach a player, the agent splashes it round all clubs saying he's on the radar, Saints know a good player and want him, but someone else can pay more. So we're gazzumped again. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 If it makes you feel better. But if we'd offered him the same...why wouldn't he go to the bigger club who aren't in a relegation battle? I mean I wouldn't really want to play for Allardyce, but christ I wouldn't go near Saints under MP. If it had been us under Koeman, I think he'd have signed. But we didn't offer the same did we? If we did he would have probably chosen Everton for the reasons highlighted but that was never needed to be considered as they offered more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 No one in the Netherlands understands how Quincy Promes can be such a valuable player for Spartak as he is completely useless in the Dutch national team. I saw him play in 7 or 8 games for Oranje and it was really awful, as if he didn't have a clue where to run or when to pass or shoot. Yet, in Russia he scores one goal after another and he was even player of the year in a fairly strong competition. I guess Spartak is a very good team which makes it easier for Promes to perform well, question is: will he deliver as well in a team that is struggling like Saints? I really doubt it.Aww man, that's not going to go down well on here. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Nope, usually the better players in the Netherlands are from Amsterdam or used to play for Ajax, no grudges there. I didn't see any trickery from Promes in the national team at all, maybe he left his magic wand in Russia? But then again, I haven't seen any of his games in Russia (I guess many here have never seen him play) so it's difficult to make a real judgement. However , based on his appaearances for the national team it's justified to doubt his ability to adept to the PL. To be fair to him, has any player played well for the Netherlands in the last couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 And I've heard the big problem is ever more aggressive agents. We have a good scouting setup, identify a player. Once upon a time the player and agent would be happy that we're offering an opportunity and just negotiate with Saints. Now, the moment we approach a player, the agent splashes it round all clubs saying he's on the radar, Saints know a good player and want him, but someone else can pay more. So we're gazzumped again. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Been thinking similar myself. Victims of our own success kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Been thinking similar myself. Victims of our own success kind of thing.Yep. Impossible to keep a deal quiet now, and no thanks from the player for our interest. Just a lever. So our scouting just helps the rich clubs who can prey on our targets at will. And that, together with the message about the £100k wage cap, is from someone inside the club. It's proving almost impossible to get players in. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 If we spend any money on players to play for us in the Premier League for the remainder of this season then Les Reed needs shooting. But I'm sure the club aren't that stupid. They'll know we're down and will be looking for Championship-quality players for next season. Back Pellegrino with a couple of free transfers and we could definitely push for midtable perhaps with a loan or two thrown in as well. With Sims, Gallagher, Reed, Pied, Offoloma, Long, Yoshida, Valery and McCarthy we have the makings of a very decent lower league outfit and something we should all be excited about. #PuelOut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 When it comes to negotiation, we are not in a strong point versus perhaps ten clubs in the premiership. (Let's assume that is the current top ten). When it comes to everyone else, we have as much to offer as pretty much all others (although I do accept we are more precariously positioned that those teams above us in the bottom half). So, it could be argued that it will be difficult to recruit when competing with a fellow premier league outfit (that sits above us in the table). When you look at our recruitment strategy, for the past few years it has not been to recruit from fellow premier league clubs, it has been to recruit from other, typically, European markets. When it comes to competing on these scales, Southampton 17th in the Premier League, will sit probably somewhere near 17th in the richest, highest paid footballers, in European football. If you are a good footballer earning less than 40k per week we can pay you considerably more. If you dont like the prospect of relegation, insist on a sell clause. Come and earn twice what you are earning, for six months and IF we stay up and you are enjoying it, you may choose to stay, and IF we get relegated you leave. It should be a really easy negotiation, providing that Les understands that a) He will have to pay more in salary to attract someone b) He will have to compromise on exit clauses, possibly to the extent on suffering a sizeable loss should we be relegated c) He does not have the same negotiation power he had 3 seasons' ago. All seems fairly logical, but I can't help but feel we don't have the desire to buy the quality we need because of the costs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Reality is that most deals happen towards the end of the window. We obviously want Carrillo and I expect we will get him. An added difficulty is that clubs like Monaco or Spartak for example i.) Arent desperate for the money ii.) Know we are desperate for players and iii.) Know we just sold VVD for a record fee. Pellegrino seems happy with what the club are doing to sign players, and ultimately as long as we get them it doesn't matter now whetger they sign today or in a week's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Reality is that most deals happen towards the end of the window. We obviously want Carrillo and I expect we will get him. An added difficulty is that clubs like Monaco or Spartak for example i.) Arent desperate for the money ii.) Know we are desperate for players and iii.) Know we just sold VVD for a record fee. Pellegrino seems happy with what the club are doing to sign players, and ultimately as long as we get them it doesn't matter now whetger they sign today or in a week's time. The fact that he's nice & happy with what the club is doing is probably why he's still in the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Talk sport are staggered how we sold VVD without having at least three players coming in to push us on. Questioned why we were in a rush to offload VVD in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Talk sport are staggered how we sold VVD without having at least three players coming in to push us on. Questioned why we were in a rush to offload VVD in the first place. "The Southampton way" #WeMarchOn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 "The Southampton way" #WeMarchOn We always sell early in the window and buy late. Look at the previous summers. Shaw, Lambert Lallana Schneiderlin Wanyama Mane Rodriguez Pellle were all sold in June-July. Doesn t really help our bargaining position does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 "The Southampton way" #WeMarchOn #不忘初心砥砺前行 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 To be fair to him, has any player played well for the Netherlands in the last couple of years? There were few who did their job but do you know any Dutch player in the national team who was succesfull in the PL lately besides VVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 #不忘初心砥砺前行 Finally someone had the bottle to say it! 11:20pm here and the jetlag kicked in yesterday..... Mario karting through the Tokyo streets earlier.... Not seen a single Saints shirt since i arrived..... Les out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Andre Ayew left out the West Ham 18 today. CHDAJFU? Slimani not in the Leicester squad either (appreciate we by no means are the only club linked with him). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Finally someone had the bottle to say it! 11:20pm here and the jetlag kicked in yesterday..... Mario karting through the Tokyo streets earlier.... Not seen a single Saints shirt since i arrived..... Les out Told anyone you're Maya Yoshida's neighbour yet? Have your pics at the ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Talk sport are staggered how we sold VVD without having at least three players coming in to push us on. Questioned why we were in a rush to offload VVD in the first place. That’s them showing their nativity then. Why three? Where did that arbitrary number come from? Is that how many signings you’re supposed to have lined up if you sell a player for £75m? If they had done their research they would know the primary motivation for selling VVD was to improve squad harmony. That was also why we were keen to get him out early in the window, so we could stop the rot. It isn’t that the sale of VVD that necessitates signings coming in anyway. It’s only the belief that our league position is due in large part to our inferior squad combined with a £75m windfall that makes them look likely. If you don’t subscribe to that view and, instead, think the manager is responsible for our predicament, there’s no urgency to start spending the £75m anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Talk sport are staggered how we sold VVD without having at least three players coming in to push us on. Questioned why we were in a rush to offload VVD in the first place. Talk Sport:lol: The media's equivalent of football's dinlow forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Pellegrino seems happy with what the club are doing to sign players, and ultimately as long as we get them it doesn't matter now whetger they sign today or in a week's time. Of course it matters when they sign! We should have had 3 players lined up to sign on the 1st Jan. FFS VvD was announced before the transfer window even opened. We could have had 3 players integrated into the squad by now. It would have made a difference, we might even had won at Watford, it would have given us a lift against Spurs tomorrow too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Good point. Lawrie Mac was a brilliant salesman for the club. Les probably isn't. I guess its a bit difficult selling the virtues of SFC when one is busy looking out for the interests of LFC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggytrousers Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 That’s them showing their nativity then. Why three? Where did that arbitrary number come from? Is that how many signings you’re supposed to have lined up if you sell a player for £75m? If they had done their research they would know the primary motivation for selling VVD was to improve squad harmony. That was also why we were keen to get him out early in the window, so we could stop the rot. It isn’t that the sale of VVD that necessitates signings coming in anyway. It’s only the belief that our league position is due in large part to our inferior squad combined with a £75m windfall that makes them look likely. If you don’t subscribe to that view and, instead, think the manager is responsible for our predicament, there’s no urgency to start spending the £75m anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Typical Talksport. One month behind the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Of course it matters when they sign! We should have had 3 players lined up to sign on the 1st Jan. FFS VvD was announced before the transfer window even opened. We could have had 3 players integrated into the squad by now. It would have made a difference, we might even had won at Watford, it would have given us a lift against Spurs tomorrow too. You and Talk Sport are correct (Pilchards). A well run football operation would have done this. We have Les Reed "reporting to" a vacant Chief Executive role and a Part Time expat Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Typical Talksport. One month behind the times. Good one pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 That’s them showing their nativity then. Why three? Where did that arbitrary number come from? Is that how many signings you’re supposed to have lined up if you sell a player for £75m? If they had done their research they would know the primary motivation for selling VVD was to improve squad harmony. That was also why we were keen to get him out early in the window, so we could stop the rot. It isn’t that the sale of VVD that necessitates signings coming in anyway. It’s only the belief that our league position is due in large part to our inferior squad combined with a £75m windfall that makes them look likely. If you don’t subscribe to that view and, instead, think the manager is responsible for our predicament, there’s no urgency to start spending the £75m anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ooo thats a load of b*ll*cks. We could have easily put him on gardening leave mid-December, and maybe got a lift in squad spirit for the Xmas fixture schedule. He was sold ASAP for money, pure & simple, and we’ve been bullsh*tted about signings ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 I guess its a bit difficult selling the virtues of SFC when one is busy looking out for the interests of LFC... Is that the Les Football Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 The fact that he's nice & happy with what the club is doing is probably why he's still in the job. Pelligrino is happy as he is still in the job and cannot believe his luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeemyersSfc Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Hi, new here but I’m normally a happy clapper but getting very worried about everything it’s taking so long to sign someone and it seems like the Carillo deal is going nowhere! Would love Promes but can’t see it happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Relegation zone! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 GAO must just be interested in selling up all the stars under cloak of relegating and getting out, thus turning 200 mill debt into profit. MP is his aid in this by being so clueless Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 GAO must just be interested in selling up all the stars under cloak of relegating and getting out, thus turning 200 mill debt into profit. MP is his aid in this by being so clueless Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Personally I can't believe so many are calling for the managers head, Les Reeds head, Freddie's Krugers head but there is apathy towards the owner. Allegedly he struggled to pass the fit and proper test. We have heard nothing from him. We know nothing of his motives other than he had to borrow to buy the club. IMO I am not scared of relegation..I am scared that this guy is going to destroy us totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeemyersSfc Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Personally I can't believe so many are calling for the managers head, Les Reeds head, Freddie's Krugers head but there is apathy towards the owner. Allegedly he struggled to pass the fit and proper test. We have heard nothing from him. We know nothing of his motives other than he had to borrow to buy the club. IMO I am not scared of relegation..I am scared that this guy is going to destroy us totally. Very much agree with the last point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Personally I can't believe so many are calling for the managers head, Les Reeds head, Freddie's Krugers head but there is apathy towards the owner. Allegedly he struggled to pass the fit and proper test. We have heard nothing from him. We know nothing of his motives other than he had to borrow to buy the club. IMO I am not scared of relegation..I am scared that this guy is going to destroy us totally. Yep, imagine if the Skates had this guy buying them. We'd all be ****ing our sides with laughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Personally I can't believe so many are calling for the managers head, Les Reeds head, Freddie's Krugers head but there is apathy towards the owner. Allegedly he struggled to pass the fit and proper test. We have heard nothing from him. We know nothing of his motives other than he had to borrow to buy the club. IMO I am not scared of relegation..I am scared that this guy is going to destroy us totally. [emoji106] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 GAO must just be interested in selling up all the stars under cloak of relegating and getting out, thus turning 200 mill debt into profit. MP is his aid in this by being so clueless You think our players would fetch 200 million, now that's delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Personally I can't believe so many are calling for the managers head, Les Reeds head, Freddie's Krugers head but there is apathy towards the owner. Allegedly he struggled to pass the fit and proper test. We have heard nothing from him. We know nothing of his motives other than he had to borrow to buy the club. IMO I am not scared of relegation..I am scared that this guy is going to destroy us totally.Untrue. We have the five pledges on Ralph's desk and winging their way to us in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Untrue. We have the five pledges on Ralph's desk and winging their way to us in February. Oh yeah, fair enough..go Gao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 2nd from bottom now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 2nd from bottom now. Makes it so much harder for us to attract any kind half decent players into this club now. Well done Les you ****ing useless c.unt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 You think our players would fetch 200 million, now that's delusion. 75 already in. Parachute payments. Then Gabbi plus Bertrand plus Hoj plus Boufal, Tadic probably even Forster. Yes, I do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 20 January, 2018 Share Posted 20 January, 2018 Untrue. We have the five pledges on Ralph's desk and winging their way to us in February. Is one of those pledges to install a safety net all round the stadium to avoid anyone in the crowd getting hit by a puck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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