OldNick Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 It’s was good against Spurs for about 15mins, then it was ****.It was until we had a sending off as I recall.We should have scored 3 or4 before then. A goal up and that would have changed the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 I thought it was about good exciting football. The same was for the Spurs game at home,whilst we lost we batteredthem,but of course as was the case for most of the season we couldn't put the ball into the net and that cost us. Still good football though I was probably bored to sleep after ten minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 He sucks the life out of clubs. When he's sacked by Leicester in a few weeks lots of people will say ''Oh, but he got them top 10, what more do they want?''. We limped to 8th last year, maybe not even limped..crawled. Somehow we got 8th. With the players he has avaliable at Leicester he should be doing better. I feel sorry for their fans who have to put up with his non-chat and sleepy football. The fact is that we made two horrific appointments in a row in Puel and MP. Neither had anything good about them, just killers of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 The only thing I miss about Puel is that Ralphy called him Clode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 He sucks the life out of clubs. When he's sacked by Leicester in a few weeks lots of people will say ''Oh, but he got them top 10, what more do they want?''. We limped to 8th last year, maybe not even limped..crawled. Somehow we got 8th. With the players he has avaliable at Leicester he should be doing better. I feel sorry for their fans who have to put up with his non-chat and sleepy football. The fact is that we made two horrific appointments in a row in Puel and MP. Neither had anything good about them, just killers of football. Putting Puel in the same category as MP is ridiculous. We were never involved in any sort of relegation battle, although with the squad of players, it could’ve been a possibility, as we found out. We overachieved with Puel, only a fool would say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Putting Puel in the same category as MP is ridiculous. We were never involved in any sort of relegation battle, although with the squad of players, it could’ve been a possibility, as we found out. We overachieved with Puel, only a fool would say otherwise. We underachieved with Puel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 are you talking of Koeman or Puel? Yet again asper most of that season we missed gilt edged chances that would have made us coast into the knockout stage. I recall VVD's easy header chance and Jrod at Milan. We sold our goals and relied on Long an injured Austin and Jrod who was never the player he was before the injury. If you think you can run a PL and Europa Cup campaign with those resources good on you. He played for a 0-0 at home to Hapoel Beer-Sheva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 I was probably bored to sleep after ten minutes.Surely not, you know the rulebook inside and out so nothing should bore you lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 We underachieved with Puel. Bla bla bla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Putting Puel in the same category as MP is ridiculous. We were never involved in any sort of relegation battle, although with the squad of players, it could’ve been a possibility, as we found out. We overachieved with Puel, only a fool would say otherwise. Call me a fool. We missed our chance in Europe which may not come around again, this was largely down to playing such negative football. We scraped to 8th in the league. We played some of the worst football I have seen from us in the second half of the season. We lost any identity to how we tried to play our football, particularly with his weird diamond experiment that didn't fit our players. I'd say we were probably at about our level under Puel but we lost any of the optimism of genuine possibility that was present under Poch, Koeman and, to a lesser extent, Adkins. It was certainly not all his fault he certainly played a significant part in our current slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 We underachieved with Puel. **** me, you’re a hard task master. 8th & Cup final, underachieving. We’ve had a lot of under achieving managers the past 40 years. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkonOkereke Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Call me a fool. We missed our chance in Europe which may not come around again, this was largely down to playing such negative football. We scraped to 8th in the league. We played some of the worst football I have seen from us in the second half of the season. We lost any identity to how we tried to play our football, particularly with his weird diamond experiment that didn't fit our players. I'd say we were probably at about our level under Puel but we lost any of the optimism of genuine possibility that was present under Poch, Koeman and, to a lesser extent, Adkins. It was certainly not all his fault he certainly played a significant part in our current slide. Puel lost it when he played Redmond upfront and Austin Left Wing, and then went onto calling Redmond the English "henry". Utter Mess of a bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy9143 Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Call me a fool. We missed our chance in Europe which may not come around again, this was largely down to playing such negative football . This is what really annoyed me about the Koeman and Puel era. A club like Southampton has two realistic things to play for each season. 1 Stay in the Premier league 2. Get in the Europa League Our hierarchy (e.g. Ralph) banged on about wanting to achieve European Football, yet on the occasions we managed it we did not capitalise and try and push for a decent campaign. Why bother to try for 7th if we aren't going to give it a good bash in the Europa League? That is the realistic pinnacle that this club can hope to achieve so it was criminal to throw away the rare chances we had to put together a decent Europa League campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 This is what really annoyed me about the Koeman and Puel era. A club like Southampton has two realistic things to play for each season. 1 Stay in the Premier league 2. Get in the Europa League Our hierarchy (e.g. Ralph) banged on about wanting to achieve European Football, yet on the occasions we managed it we did not capitalise and try and push for a decent campaign. Why bother to try for 7th if we aren't going to give it a good bash in the Europa League? That is the realistic pinnacle that this club can hope to achieve so it was criminal to throw away the rare chances we had to put together a decent Europa League campaign. Agreed. I respect he is an okay tactician, we had a good cup run and probably should have won. He's been successful in France. No doubt he was the wrong man for us. We played our best football when we tried to impose ourselves on games tactically. Europe we allowed games to pass us by when really we could have achieved more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 **** me, you’re a hard task master. 8th & Cup final, underachieving. We’ve had a lot of under achieving managers the past 40 years. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Too many JCLs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 When both Puel and MP joined us I read the newspaper articles that were posted on here that described their style of play, formations and what types of managers they were - and what a surprise they played exactly how they were reported - so although I hated their football they stuck to their philosophies so fair play to them and they both seemed like decent guys so I could never really hate them. What really p*sses me off is the club with all their resources and black boxes could nt see what anyone else could be reading one article. I can only assume it was pure arrogance from Reed who must of thought they could change how theyve spent their entire managerial careers managing. Reed and co need to seriously review how they interpret the data they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Similar to a bit of research into Carrillo could tell joe public he was crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Puel lost it when he played Redmond upfront and Austin Left Wing, and then went onto calling Redmond the English "henry". Utter Mess of a bloke. Fr a Kenyan you certainly do have the grammar of a Glaswegian. Good to have fans from all over the world though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Puel lost it when he played Redmond upfront and Austin Left Wing, and then went onto calling Redmond the English "henry". Utter Mess of a bloke. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Textbook. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Fr a Kenyan you certainly do have the grammar of a Glaswegian. Good to have fans from all over the world though The twitter account was started about the same time as the account was registered on here , twitter account's grammar is a bit less English ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkonOkereke Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 No idea what you lot are talking about if im honest. British/Kenyan with British Education. Sometimes my English isn't fantastic when on telephone. Hope this clears this up. Now back to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 12 May, 2018 Share Posted 12 May, 2018 Funny place the internet. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 13 May, 2018 Share Posted 13 May, 2018 (edited) https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/115812-end-of-season-puel-poll/ More wanting him to stay another year than go atm. The difference between ending the season with a couple of good performances vs our players completely downing tools last season. Right call for them to keep him as they were easily best-of-the-rest this season for attacking football. Edited 13 May, 2018 by Ultimatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/115812-end-of-season-puel-poll/ More wanting him to stay another year than go atm. The difference between ending the season with a couple of good performances vs our players completely downing tools last season. Right call for them to keep him as they were easily best-of-the-rest this season for attacking football. "Yes - otherwise people will start to say 'when I voted out I knew EXACTLY what I meant, and it meant EXACTLY the same as everyone else who voted out'." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Too many JCLs Jesus cocck lovers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 "Yes - otherwise people will start to say 'when I voted out I knew EXACTLY what I meant, and it meant EXACTLY the same as everyone else who voted out'." You mean they all want Puel out because he's an immigrant? #bordercontrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 I watched the 90 minutes last night and it was a superb game. It didnt look that the dressing room had gone in that performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 **** me, you’re a hard task master. 8th & Cup final, underachieving. We’ve had a lot of under achieving managers the past 40 years. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk He was given an entry into the Europa Cup and totally blew it. Throwing the Home cup game against Arsenal was even worse and is as underachieving as you could possibly get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 I watched the 90 minutes last night and it was a superb game. It didnt look that the dressing room had gone in that performance Or knew that he was going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 there's always an excuse with the anti Puel's. Iam happy to wager with you that Puel will keep his job. The winnings going to a childrens charity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Would anybody want him back here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 He was given an entry into the Europa Cup and totally blew it. Throwing the Home cup game against Arsenal was even worse and is as underachieving as you could possibly get. Come off it. We had reached the final of a cup competition three days before! Sure it was a bit of an embarrassing scoreline, but in terms of the occasion (and I'm not generally one to be down on the FA Cup) it really didn't matter that we lost, certainly not worse than our inept Europa League performances in Prague and at home to Be'er Sheva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Would anybody want him back here? I'd love to see what he could achieve if the board actually backed him in the transfer window. It's a bit like Rafa achieving 10th with a poor Newcastle squad, Puel achieving 8th with a poor team whose true limitations were proven this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Come off it. We had reached the final of a cup competition three days before! Sure it was a bit of an embarrassing scoreline, but in terms of the occasion (and I'm not generally one to be down on the FA Cup) it really didn't matter that we lost, certainly not worse than our inept Europa League performances in Prague and at home to Be'er Sheva. It was an awful, miserable evening. To see the looks afterwards on the little kiddies who were all dressed up in Saints gear and were wondering what all the fuss was about. Nope, it was unforgiiveable and shameful. I would even call it despicable. They took our money under false pretences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 I'd love to see what he could achieve if the board actually backed him in the transfer window. It's a bit like Rafa achieving 10th with a poor Newcastle squad, Puel achieving 8th with a poor team whose true limitations were proven this season. Give it a rest with all this '8th' nonsense. What was it, 46 points? Leicester ended up on 47 this year with a squad that had won the league very recently so he hasn't actually progressed very far on that basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 It was an awful, miserable evening. To see the looks afterwards on the little kiddies who were all dressed up in Saints gear and were wondering what all the fuss was about. Nope, it was unforgiiveable and shameful. I would even call it despicable. They took our money under false pretences. Totally agree. The way he threw the young keeper Lewis under the bus in that game was also shameful. I often wondered if that was the moment he lost a lot of the senior players tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 It was an awful, miserable evening. To see the looks afterwards on the little kiddies who were all dressed up in Saints gear and were wondering what all the fuss was about. Nope, it was unforgiiveable and shameful. I would even call it despicable. They took our money under false pretences. bloody hell talk about laying it on thick. How about when we were thumped by Liverpool in the cup at home the season before, who was manager that time? 6-1 or something. Total humiliation. Obviously the kids all dressed up, skipped home in enjoyment on that occasion. If kids are so brittle me and my brother who saw us humiliated at Everton 8-0 circa 1972 should have given up supporting us as we were 10 and 14. Like your support of officials at all costs, your anti Puel feelings just become so set in stone you cant see any other point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Would anybody want him back here? I would have, but that would mean losing Hughes and that would be unfair. You haven't taken me up on the wager BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Give it a rest with all this '8th' nonsense. What was it, 46 points? Leicester ended up on 47 this year with a squad that had won the league very recently so he hasn't actually progressed very far on that basis. Yep Leicester are bang on favourites to win the league every year. They were one place above the relegation position when Puel took them on and so he did an ok job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 I would have, but that would mean losing Hughes and that would be unfair. You haven't taken me up on the wager BTW I'm not a betting man. It's bad enough trying to run your own business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 bloody hell talk about laying it on thick. How about when we were thumped by Liverpool in the cup at home the season before, who was manager that time? 6-1 or something. Total humiliation. Obviously the kids all dressed up, skipped home in enjoyment on that occasion. If kids are so brittle me and my brother who saw us humiliated at Everton 8-0 circa 1972 should have given up supporting us as we were 10 and 14. Like your support of officials at all costs, your anti Puel feelings just become so set in stone you cant see any other point. It's not so much that I'm anti Puel it's just that it was an abject experience barring a couple of highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 I'm not a betting man. It's bad enough trying to run your own business. Ok that's fine I accept that, I also have a business to run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Ok that's fine I accept that, I also have a business to run Cheers, enjoy the 'off' season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Would anybody want him back here?Not now but the summer we sacked him I said I'd be happy to give him another season, unless we were down the bottom halfway through. Sent from my SM-J330FN using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Give it a rest with all this '8th' nonsense. What was it, 46 points? Leicester ended up on 47 this year with a squad that had won the league very recently so he hasn't actually progressed very far on that basis. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44103403 This is quite interesting, the record lowest points needed for tenth were last year and this...( didn't do 8th using 10th as a comparison).... I would agree with the articale that the decline in the league is obvious since Leicester won it...how long did Burnley go without winning a game yet still finished 7th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 He's on a hiding to nothing at Leicester, always changes half the team for midweek games and Leicester's greatest ever success came as a result of them picking as stable an eleven as they possibly could for the longest possible time. He should just be glad he didn't come 7th and get into Europe or you'd see the helmets come out with their "pick the same team every three/four days for 4 solid months of the season" nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44103403 This is quite interesting, the record lowest points needed for tenth were last year and this...( didn't do 8th using 10th as a comparison).... I would agree with the articale that the decline in the league is obvious since Leicester won it...how long did Burnley go without winning a game yet still finished 7th? Not sure how it's a "decline in the League" when what's happened is the top 6 have gone out of their way to ensure that's where they stay and the reason the remaining 14 are scoring lower points is because they're all beating each other and spreading the points around evenly. We in particular have contributed to a load of draws that reduce the number of points that can be won overall. If we'd bothered attempting to attack/finish and won against Swansea, Huddersfield (A), Stoke (A) and Newcastle in the first 8 games of last season we'd have 9 more points and probably finished 10th (and be moaning about it compared to 8th the previous season). 15 draws from 38 games suggests we were a good illustration of how equal the bottom 14 are. Only three of the bottom 14 drew fewer than 10 games, only one of the top 6 drew more than 7 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Not sure how it's a "decline in the League" when what's happened is the top 6 have gone out of their way to ensure that's where they stay and the reason the remaining 14 are scoring lower points is because they're all beating each other and spreading the points around evenly. We in particular have contributed to a load of draws that reduce the number of points that can be won overall. If we'd bothered attempting to attack/finish and won against Swansea, Huddersfield (A), Stoke (A) and Newcastle in the first 8 games of last season we'd have 9 more points and probably finished 10th (and be moaning about it compared to 8th the previous season). 15 draws from 38 games suggests we were a good illustration of how equal the bottom 14 are. Only three of the bottom 14 drew fewer than 10 games, only one of the top 6 drew more than 7 games. Dress it up how you like...if the top 6 are winning more games then it's likely the rest of the league have declined and are less competitive. It's not like the top 6 have won everything in Europe is it? Whereas the league used to be top 6, a middle league and the bottom league, now it's the top 6 and the rest are at risk of relegation. The teams coming up managed to stay up, do you really think that is because the league is more competitive and because teams are takin points off each other? Alternatively is it the "rest" have decline to such an extent teams with small budgets and championship teams can finish safely in mid table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 14 May, 2018 Share Posted 14 May, 2018 Dress it up how you like...if the top 6 are winning more games then it's likely the rest of the league have declined and are less competitive. It's not like the top 6 have won everything in Europe is it? Whereas the league used to be top 6, a middle league and the bottom league, now it's the top 6 and the rest are at risk of relegation. The teams coming up managed to stay up, do you really think that is because the league is more competitive and because teams are takin points off each other? Alternatively is it the "rest" have decline to such an extent teams with small budgets and championship teams can finish safely in mid table? Fans of 14 clubs complain about turgid football. I'd put it down to the weakest teams being stronger and the mid-table sides not having any good attackers. The increase in TV money has meant that all sides, even those newly promoted, can strengthen weak areas, so there's no more easy beats. IMO there's a conscious choice by too many managers to sit back and make sure they don't lose, rather than go for the win. With 14 teams being relegation candidates you have a whole lot more "6-pointers" where teams are scared to go for it and settle for the draw. The big 6 also have all the best attackers. Vardy's probably the only one that has a chance to regularly start in those teams. 6th placed Arsenal have a front 3 of Aubameyang-Lacazette-Mkhitaryan. Quality. Without top attackers it doesn't matter how much you dominate over 80% of the pitch. It's all for nought if you don't score. We've had a bunch of games over the past 2 seasons where we were clearly the better team and on the front foot and couldn't score. This season the bottom 14 teams averaged only 1.03 goals/game. That's the lowest it's been in at least a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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