SNSUN Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Chatting to my friend (Dipper fan) and came up with the notion that none of our current crop of players would get in to a first eleven of players we've had since we've been back in the Premier League, besides Virgil, on paper at least. It looked like: Boruc Clyne Alderwereld VVD Shaw Schneiderlin Wanyama Lallana Mané Rodriguez (pre-injury) Lambert Subs: Forster, Lovren, Bertrand, Romeu, Davis, Tadic, Pellé. Is that accurate or would you alter it? I guess arguments could be made for Bertrand or Forster, but that's a pretty damning look at the quality of our current first team compared to players we've been lucky enough to have in the past. Nonetheless I have high hopes for Lemina, Hoedt and Gabbiadini, so if they come good then our recent recruitment hasn't been too bad.
Saint Garrett Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Would probably put Bertrand and Forster in ahead of Boruc and Shaw, but point taken. We have had some very good players though and on top of that quite a lot of players.
nta786 Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Bertrand and Forster in for me, and eventually hope Lemina would take Schneiderin's spot. I'd go as far as just putting Mane up front and I like having Davis in our team so, in place of Lambert I guess.
once_bitterne Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Same team as o/p except for Pelle instead of Lambert.
Tony F Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Thats a good point. We all have a soft spot for Rickie ("take us to the Premier League" and all that) but his Saints hey-days were in L1 & Championship more than the Prem seasons he played.
Miltonaggro Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Same team as o/p except for Pelle instead of Lambert. Agree with you on that, and what a side that would be! Strength and guile all over the Park.
mrfahaji Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Thats a good point. We all have a soft spot for Rickie ("take us to the Premier League" and all that) but his Saints hey-days were in L1 & Championship more than the Prem seasons he played. I reckon Championship was his best season, but he was still good in our first Premier League year, it was only the second year up where you could really notice he had lost a step. But then Liverpool bought him, lol.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Chatting to my friend (Dipper fan) and came up with the notion that none of our current crop of players would get in to a first eleven of players we've had since we've been back in the Premier League, besides Virgil, on paper at least. It looked like: Boruc Clyne Alderwereld VVD Shaw Schneiderlin Wanyama Lallana Mané Rodriguez (pre-injury) Lambert Subs: Forster, Lovren, Bertrand, Romeu, Davis, Tadic, Pellé. Is this supposed to be based on how good they are today? Because Lambert wouldn't be anywhere near the starting XI. Gabbiadini, Austin & Long would all be more effective than a recently retired Lambert who struggled at a bottom half Championship side last season. Plus from your starting XI... I'd rather have... - Forster than Boruc - Cedric than Clyne - Bertrand than Shaw ...and Lemina & Romeu would give Schneiderlin & Wanyama a run for their money!
mrfahaji Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Is this supposed to be based on how good they are today? Because Lambert wouldn't be anywhere near the starting XI. Gabbiadini, Austin & Long would all be more effective than a recently retired Lambert who struggled at a bottom half Championship side last season. Plus from your starting XI... I'd rather have... - Forster than Boruc - Cedric than Clyne - Bertrand than Shaw ...and Lemina & Romeu would give Schneiderlin & Wanyama a run for their money! Obviously not, else we'd get him out of retirement and play him
Saints foreva Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 I reckon Championship was his best season, but he was still good in our first Premier League year, it was only the second year up where you could really notice he had lost a step. But then Liverpool bought him, lol. Lambert was involved in more goals in his final season for us than his first season in the PL. 2013/14 13 goals, 10 assists. 2012/13 15 goals, 4 assists.
OttawaSaint Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Chatting to my friend (Dipper fan) and came up with the notion that none of our current crop of players would get in to a first eleven of players we've had since we've been back in the Premier League, besides Virgil, on paper at least. It looked like: Boruc Clyne Alderwereld VVD Shaw Schneiderlin Wanyama Lallana Mané Rodriguez (pre-injury) Lambert Subs: Forster, Lovren, Bertrand, Romeu, Davis, Tadic, Pellé. Is that accurate or would you alter it? I guess arguments could be made for Bertrand or Forster, but that's a pretty damning look at the quality of our current first team compared to players we've been lucky enough to have in the past. Nonetheless I have high hopes for Lemina, Hoedt and Gabbiadini, so if they come good then our recent recruitment hasn't been too bad. My goodness, what a team! With that central pair in defense we could play without a goalie!
mrfahaji Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Lambert was involved in more goals in his final season for us than his first season in the PL. 2013/14 13 goals, 10 assists. 2012/13 15 goals, 4 assists. Doesn't mean he was a better player. Don't get me wrong, he was still good in his final season, but I just felt he had lost half a yard. Perhaps more assists suggests (and I wouldn't dispute) he continued to improve his all round game, but his attacking prowess lessened, in my opinion.
Wrensup Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Is this supposed to be based on how good they are today? Because Lambert wouldn't be anywhere near the starting XI. Gabbiadini, Austin & Long would all be more effective than a recently retired Lambert who struggled at a bottom half Championship side last season. Plus from your starting XI... I'd rather have... - Forster than Boruc - Cedric than Clyne - Bertrand than Shaw ...and Lemina & Romeu would give Schneiderlin & Wanyama a run for their money! What is wrong with you...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 What is wrong with you... What is the point in writing that? If you don't agree with me fine, but to only comment "what is wrong with you" is pathetic!
OttawaSaint Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 - Cedric than Clyne Disagree with this, Clyne is a far better player. Yes Cedric puts himself about and covers a fair amount of that right hand side but he can't shoot and his crosses are mostly hit and hope.
doggface Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Agree with the OP's team. None of our current 11 would get in my team. Bertrand has regressed and Cedric too inconsistent.
Ultimatt Posted 5 October, 2017 Posted 5 October, 2017 Boruc Clyne Alderweireld VVD Bertrand Schneiderlin Wanyama Lallana Mané Tadic Pelle Subs: Forster, Lovren, Shaw, Cedric, Romeu, Davis, Lambert. Would put Bertrand ahead of 18yo Shaw. Tadic would be a menace with the linkup/movement of Pelle/Mane/Lallana around. Pelle for Lambert. Just feel that Pelle had that slight extra quality about him and wouldn't need to be as mobile as Lambert with Lallana/Mane in behind. Early days but Lemina looks likely to at a minimum make a bench but maybe much more.
Scully Posted 6 October, 2017 Posted 6 October, 2017 Not so keen on Boruc. He had some howlers in his time.
mrfahaji Posted 6 October, 2017 Posted 6 October, 2017 Amazing how many people would have Pelle in our best XI, ahead of Lambert. I thought he must have been one of the WORST players we'd ever had judging by a lot of comments and reactions on here during his time at St Mary's...
verlaine1979 Posted 6 October, 2017 Posted 6 October, 2017 I like having Davis in our team so, in place of Lambert I guess. Hah just when you think the insane bias in SD's favour can't get any worse, people are now rating him above Lambert! Utterly, utterly insane.
Nordic Saint Posted 6 October, 2017 Posted 6 October, 2017 Forster Clyne van Dijk Fonte capt. Bertrand Wanyama Lemina Lallana Sims Mané Pellè (autumn & spring)/ Lambert (winter) Subs: Boruc, Alderweireld, Shaw, Cedric, Romeu, Schneiderlin, Lambert/Pellè.
Appy Posted 6 October, 2017 Posted 6 October, 2017 Is this supposed to be based on how good they are today? Because Lambert wouldn't be anywhere near the starting XI. Gabbiadini, Austin & Long would all be more effective than a recently retired Lambert who struggled at a bottom half Championship side last season. Plus from your starting XI... I'd rather have... - Forster than Boruc - Cedric than Clyne - Bertrand than Shaw ...and Lemina & Romeu would give Schneiderlin & Wanyama a run for their money! Christ you're weird. Oh and Romeu isn't anywhere near as good as Schneiderlin and Wanyama were.
norwaysaint Posted 6 October, 2017 Posted 6 October, 2017 I'm assuming all players are at their premier league peak with us in this? With that in mind, Bertrand at his best was probably better than Shaw achieved with us. Forster at his best was probably better than Boruc at his best. Lambert was a lot more consistent than Pelle, I would say.
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