MarkSFC Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 I love our badge. Not sure why it needs changing. Perhaps some semblance of improving each element as in modernising, clearer etc but keep it the same in essence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 16 hours ago, alehouseboys said: Red outside the circle was just to give idea on a red stripe Ignore me if I'm stating the obvious - Google 'Southampton Crest' - click images - open - right click 'save as image' No. I was a Brownie I was after just the shield which i cant find a decent one online like you have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 5 hours ago, Badger said: I like the idea but a major influence in the club's dedision making is that they'd never own the full copyright to the city crest as they would to a bespoke design. I'm not sure the minor tweaks/additions would satisfy the club that it wasn't easy to pass off on merchandise. A crest I found intersting was on a the Church hall or building near St Mary's at the time the stadium was built, it combined the city crest with the St Mary's crest which from recollection was crossed keys. That would have been a suitable change at the time we were moving back to the area (although probably still subject to a copyright consideration).The building though is no longer there and I've been unable to trace this on the internet since. Good point and interesting post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 4 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said: I was after just the shield which i cant find a decent one online like you have done. If you mean this, you can right click on this image and 'copy image' or 'save as' (or phone I think you just click and hold and 'copy' or 'add to photos'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 Line up all 92 club badges. You’ll pick ours out straight away. Love our badge. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 No thanks. No good reason I’ve seen to change it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 21 minutes ago, djharvey said: Ruined by the ball and scarf, as someone commented above this really dates it to the 1970's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 4 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: No thanks. No good reason I’ve seen to change it. I'm sure they said that before the current design! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 1 minute ago, Badger said: Ruined by the ball and scarf, as someone commented above this really dates it to the 1970's. So you want modern design then, no history within the badge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 14 minutes ago, Matty's Caddy said: Line up all 92 club badges. You’ll pick ours out straight away. Love our badge. I love ours! is it the best, No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 9 minutes ago, djharvey said: So you want modern design then, no history within the badge? Not at all. But the club was established in 1885 not 1974. As I said in an earlier post I'm never been a great fan of the badge but given the possible modern mess we might end up with it might as well leave it as it is as it (doubt we'd end up with a 'classical' design if redesigned). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 41 minutes ago, Badger said: Not at all. But the club was established in 1885 not 1974. As I said in an earlier post I'm never been a great fan of the badge but given the possible modern mess we might end up with it might as well leave it as it is as it (doubt we'd end up with a 'classical' design if redesigned). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 7 hours ago, Totton Saint said: My wife would be so upset if the badge was changed . It is part of the club's heretage. Why must every thing be trendy, Just what they said before current design! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 6 hours ago, MarkSFC said: I love our badge. Not sure why it needs changing. Perhaps some semblance of improving each element as in modernising, clearer etc but keep it the same in essence. Certainly needs at least this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 5 hours ago, alehouseboys said: If you mean this, you can right click on this image and 'copy image' or 'save as' (or phone I think you just click and hold and 'copy' or 'add to photos'? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 I don't see why the ball and scarf are seen as 70's icons, they are timeless items. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 11 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: I don't see why the ball and scarf are seen as 70's icons, they are timeless items. Agreed! Loads of clubs have a football on their badge, big clubs at that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, djharvey said: So you want modern design then, no history within the badge? Saints didn't have that badge for the first 89 years the club existed! 'History' would have been keeping the city crest as the badge. Would have rejected the change of badge in 1974 after 89 years with a different one? Edited 23 November, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Saints didn't have that badge for the first 89 years the club existed! 'History' would have been keeping the city crest as the badge. Would have rejected the change of badge in 1974 after 89 years with a different one? Isn't that a bit like saying World War II isn't part of history because there were millenia worth if history before that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jawillwill said: Isn't that a bit like saying World War II isn't part of history because there were millenia worth if history before that? No it is not like that... because at no point did I say the current badge is not part of our history. It has been part of the history for the last 46 years, but not the first 89 years of the club. We had many more years without it than with it! Having the current badge since 1974 is not a good enough reason for it to remain the club badge for ever more. Pretty much every single English league club has had multiple changes to their badges. Problem is people get attached to the one they grew up with and disregard that there were changes before they grew up and will probably be changes in the future. Edited 23 November, 2020 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 (edited) designed by someone called Rimm and from Southampton (designfootball.com) Edited 23 November, 2020 by Nolan 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 39 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: No it is not like that... because at no point did I say the current badge is not part of our history. It has been part of the history for the last 46 years, but not the first 89 years of the club. We had many more years without it than with it! Having the current badge since 1974 is not a good enough reason for it to remain the club badge for ever more. Pretty much every single English league club has had multiple changes to their badges. Problem is people get attached to the one they grew up with and disregard that there were changes before they grew up and will probably be changes in the future. Why have you youngsters got to change everything all the time? If you’re that bored I’ve got a few research projects that will keep you busy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 53 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Why have you youngsters got to change everything all the time? If you’re that bored I’ve got a few research projects that will keep you busy. Did you feel the same about changing badges away from the traditional one of the previous 89 years in 1974? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 Can’t we have a reference to We Hate Pompey on the badge. Perhaps an image of a toothless hobo being booted by one of our Stone Island representatives. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Why have you youngsters got to change everything all the time? If you’re that bored I’ve got a few research projects that will keep you busy. WTF! With your attitude we'd all still be living in caves/mud huts and grunting at each other! I know they still do down the road, but not here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 (edited) That one from @Nolan is one of the better mock ups I’ve seen, if a little bit Stoke around the edges. But, Imo, it’s not as good as the current badge. There’s nothing wrong with changing the badge, but one would hope that if/when it happens, you get something better as a result. To date I’m yet to see any mock up that I prefer to what we already have. As I’ve said in here, of various polls down the recent years across fans of other clubs and independent reporters, the Saints badge often comes out towards the top of the more popular ones. So, personally, I don’t see an immediate rush to change it. The club already made a change from the initial 1974 badge to what we have now, changing the ball for copyright purposes. We also changed it slightly in 2010 for the 125 year anniversary (maybe also in 1985 for the centenary year), so there have been mods made since this one came about. A lot of the badge redesigns you see over the past 10 or 20 years seem to be an effort to modernise what looks like an outdated or over complicated / busy design. Ones like Arsenal, Everton, Leeds 🤣 were pretty awful and caused fan backlash (and in the case of the latter two, the badges were rescinded). Some others like QPR, Man City, Palace were an improvement. So, there’s nothing to say we couldn’t have a better badge from a change. I just haven’t yet seen a proposed design that I prefer, and the simplicity of the current design negates a need to declutter it. Edited 23 November, 2020 by The Kraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 I'm not fussed about getting the city shield into the badge. I don't live in Southampton and haven't for 40 years, I wonder whether I would feel differently if I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintquin Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 The only problem I've got with the present badge is the modern bits. Prefer the halo to be white, the waves to be the colour of the sea and to have an older looking ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 9 minutes ago, saintquin said: The only problem I've got with the present badge is the modern bits. Prefer the halo to be white, the waves to be the colour of the sea and to have an older looking ball! What, brown??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 Green, according to our late 80s away kit trim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 23 November, 2020 Share Posted 23 November, 2020 I'm starting to like this new guy Walcott 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 13 July, 2022 Share Posted 13 July, 2022 There seems to be a lot of media going out with just the silhouette of the badge this season. I wonder if this is a primer for a change where the silhouette is identifiable (and unique enough for a TM) but with the internal aspects of the badge changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 July, 2022 Share Posted 13 July, 2022 20 minutes ago, Nolan said: There seems to be a lot of media going out with just the silhouette of the badge this season. I wonder if this is a primer for a change where the silhouette is identifiable (and unique enough for a TM) but with the internal aspects of the badge changed. I think the silhouette looks a bit "Handsome Pete" from the Simpsons: Hat, Hair sticking out, big mouth of teeth a the bottom, you just need to draw eyes, nose, teeth and ears. 😁 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 13 July, 2022 Share Posted 13 July, 2022 On 20/11/2020 at 22:16, djharvey said: Now i'm no expert but did that in about half hour using others images and paint. If the club did that then i'd be happy! This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 July, 2022 Share Posted 13 July, 2022 Why does it need changing? Why do clubs feel the need to piss about with badges? Why does it really matter? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 13 July, 2022 Share Posted 13 July, 2022 Same old bellends bringing up the same old topics every year. get a picture of all 92 club badges on one page and you will pick ours out with ease love our badge 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 July, 2022 Share Posted 13 July, 2022 1 hour ago, djharvey said: This is bloody awful. Or that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 July, 2022 Share Posted 13 July, 2022 26 minutes ago, Matty's Caddy said: Same old bellends bringing up the same old topics every year. get a picture of all 92 club badges on one page and you will pick ours out with ease love our badge Correct. Im sure I’ve said this before, probably on this thread. I’m not beholden to our badge, but any move needs to be one for the better. And through all contributions that people make, I have yet to see one that is better than the one we’ve got. Various online polls are done on club badges and ours regularly features higher up in the charts. If someone puts out a mock of a new one that is brilliant then, yes, let’s talk about changing. So the challenge is on those wanting a change to come up with better. Not seen that yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 13 July, 2022 Share Posted 13 July, 2022 Just now, The Kraken said: Oh that's wonderful! To Me, to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBSaint Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 I think our badge is nice as it is. If it was to be updated I personally would just like it to be the ball with halo, 1885 mayb in the ball and the red and white scarf underneath (that’s red and white to the guy that designed our kit) and Southampton fc in black mayb incorporated in the white sections of the scarf. If anyone can do a mock up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 10 hours ago, Matty's Caddy said: Same old bellends bringing up the same old topics every year. get a picture of all 92 club badges on one page and you will pick ours out with ease love our badge but thats the point. I didn't ask the club to start featuring the crest as it is in the Bottom right hand corner below, but its worth noticing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 16 minutes ago, Nolan said: but thats the point. I didn't ask the club to start featuring the crest as it is in the Bottom right hand corner below, but its worth noticing. Could argue that the massive, normal crest in the middle is more noticeable. The bottom right is just general marketing (no different to the monochrome version we've had in recent years). I doubt there's any truth in the conspiracy that this is the precursor to change. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorchester Saint Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 (edited) What would we change it to and why? Our badge is full of history, it tells a story and as someone else said, it stands out amongst others and is instantly recognisable. It’s gone through several ‘tweaks’ over the years, but ultimately I think it passes the test of time and is still relevant. Edited 14 July, 2022 by Dorchester Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 On 23/11/2020 at 11:09, Nolan said: designed by someone called Rimm and from Southampton (designfootball.com) Get rid of the gold outline and I'd like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 I wouldn't want a brand new crest however I wouldn't mind tweaking it. Maybe making the football more modern as previously, changing the font on Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 (edited) Branding on the Lavia Announcement Branding on the Womens Fixtures Even in some of the videos the the detail of the crest has been erased Edited 14 July, 2022 by Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 I can honestly say that, as an impressionable kid in the early 90's, who wasn't local to the area, our badge was one of the things that enticed me to start supporting Saints. It's a fantastic design and the fact we're using a silhouette of it at times kind of emphasizes that it's both iconic and timeless. Anyone looking to meddle with it should be made to bend over and take a hot crumpet from behind without blubbing. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piran Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 Is that a silhouette? I thought it was a stray turtle... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 July, 2022 Share Posted 14 July, 2022 we should probably include something rainbow in there. Perhaps change the red and white scarf to a rainbow one and change the colours of the city flower to one white, one black and one brown to represent the diverse ethnic population of our fine city. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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