Cortese

[Gemmel]

Nope, not really. This aint a f*cking court of law. I dont know when exactly either comment was made, and SOGGY's is just twisted garbage anyway without an attributable quote.

 

And anyone is entitled to change their mind. However shambolic things might have occasionally looked under NC, he wouldnt have sold our best players the way KL, Ralph and Leslie did.

 

 

Clubs were only in for one main player under NC's reign .... AOC.......and guess what..... HE SOLD HIM

[Heisenberg]

Clubs were only in for one main player under NC's reign .... AOC.......and guess what..... HE SOLD HIM

 

Another classic for the myths list. Keep em coming

[shurlock]

Another classic for the myths list. Keep em coming

 

Did Cortese defecate in the Benali’s swimming pool - Myth or Reality?

[CB Fry]

Another classic for the myths list. Keep em coming

 

He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you done?

[Heisenberg]

Did Cortese defecate in the Benali’s swimming pool - Myth or Reality?

 

These are the tough questions Jim White needed to ask...

[doddisalegend]

Also Ox & family played up so he sold him, as he needed the money for cat 1 academy

 

Scouting Courtino with Mitchell & Nigel he saw Poch so started checking him out with agents. Liked his training regime , double sessions etc.

 

Had a working breakfast with somebody interesting today

 

 

 

 

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hey what? so Cortese was happy to flog a player because they acted up? How does that fit with we wouldn't have sold anyone if Nik-Nak had stayed mythology considering how many of our players have acted up to get a move?

[Heisenberg]

He's thrown a kettle over a pub. What have you done?

 

I got one on tennis, one on the Suez Canal. Loads

[Gemmel]

Another classic for the myths list. Keep em coming

 

Happy to be proved wrong - What am I missing ?

[Heisenberg]

Happy to be proved wrong - What am I missing ?

 

Possibly a cheeky hint after Cork was sold 10 days after Nic left

 

Shaw, Lallana, Lambert, Lovren and Chambers sold 3 months later.

[Gemmel]

Possibly a cheeky hint after Cork was sold 10 days after Nic left

 

Shaw, Lallana, Lambert, Lovren and Chambers sold 3 months later.

 

LOL - So I wasn't wrong, you just want to try and cloud the issue.

 

We know who was sold after NC left, it's just those that insist it wouldn't have happened under NC's watch, that make it interesting - Given the fact that under his reign, there was only one major player that clubs came in for and NC sold him. 100% record in selling significant players.

 

Oh and for the record he agreed a deal with West Ham for Lambert..... KL pulled the plug on the deal in the January that Cortese left (That's probably the only bit of real ITK information I've ever had)

[adrian lord]

There's nothing like a Cortese thread for vitriol (some posters smack of having been sacked by the guy personally!), and sheer comic genius - although the latter is often unintended.

[Heisenberg]

LOL - So I wasn't wrong, you just want to try and cloud the issue.

 

We know who was sold after NC left, it's just those that insist it wouldn't have happened under NC's watch, that make it interesting - Given the fact that under his reign, there was only one major player that clubs came in for and NC sold him. 100% record in selling significant players.

 

Oh and for the record he agreed a deal with West Ham for Lambert..... KL pulled the plug on the deal in the January that Cortese left (That's probably the only bit of real ITK information I've ever had)

 

Another myth. Keep em coming

[Gemmel]

Another myth. Keep em coming

 

Well that was according to his old man (Lamberts) in New York. Had a good beer with him.

 

As for another myth, you said that about my original post and I think we have corrected that...............And I was right............... Fish in a barrel.

[CB Fry]

Thank God Les was brave enough to face Cortese down and stop the Italian flogging off Lambert and Morgan too cheap, too soon.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Blimey, Jim has just said "We are in the presence of greatness here today". Absolutely cringeworthy.

 

I'm glad someone else heard that, as I couldn't quite believe it. I thought I must have misheard.

 

 

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[Heisenberg]

That must be why he's in so much demand by other clubs,

 

Thought you were Puels biggest fan boy? Turned against him now too?

[shurlock]

Thank God Les was brave enough to face Cortese down and stop the Italian flogging off Lambert and Morgan too cheap, too soon.

 

We did flog Lambert to Liverpool a few months later for half the fee that West Ham had supposedly offered.

[CB Fry]

We did flog Lambert to Liverpool a few months later for half the fee that West Ham had supposedly offered.

Another myth. Keep em coming.

[shurlock]

Another myth. Keep em coming.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-ham-eyeing-rickie-lambert-2975801

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27629474

 

#newspapermyth #supposedly

Edited 12 September, 2017 by shurlock

[once_bitterne]

Thank God Les was brave enough to face Cortese down and stop the Italian flogging off Lambert and Morgan too cheap, too soon.

 

Another myth. Keep 'em coming.

[doddisalegend]

Well at least this thread has established that Nik-nak has become a legendry character with more myths surrounding him than King Arthur.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Nik-nak sleeps in a cave under SMS pitch with a team of old players waiting to return when Saints need them most....

[simo]

Well at least this thread has established that Nik-nak has become a legendry character with more myths surrounding him than King Arthur.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Nik-nak sleeps in a cave under SMS pitch with a team of old players waiting to return when Saints need them most....

 

That's not a myth that's a true fact !

[egg]

This, he was an employee of the club. In other words he was paid to spend ( invest ) the owner's money. Never understood all the bile he got for the brilliant way he did his job.

 

He was paid to spend about £15m on Staplewood and ended up spending nearly £40m. That's not brilliant on my book.

[Saint86]

LOL - So I wasn't wrong, you just want to try and cloud the issue.

 

We know who was sold after NC left, it's just those that insist it wouldn't have happened under NC's watch, that make it interesting - Given the fact that under his reign, there was only one major player that clubs came in for and NC sold him. 100% record in selling significant players.

 

Oh and for the record he agreed a deal with West Ham for Lambert..... KL pulled the plug on the deal in the January that Cortese left (That's probably the only bit of real ITK information I've ever had)

 

Yeah, no one ever enquired after Lallana, Lambert or Fonte before we hit the premier league.

 

Literally amazing how people come up with complete toffee on here.

 

Why are fans incapable of a level headed look at things? And what difference does it make if NC would have sold players? That may well have been part of his strategy. I think the point many make is that he would have kept Poch, and would have recruited better than the current administration. No point clouding it more than that. The relative track records of NC vs the current board are not favourable to LR and co.

[doddisalegend]

Yeah, no one ever enquired after Lallana, Lambert or Fonte before we hit the premier league.

 

Literally amazing how people come up with complete toffee on here.

 

Why are fans incapable of a level headed look at things? And what difference does it make if NC would have sold players? That may well have been part of his strategy. I think the point many make is that he would have kept Poch, and would have recruited better than the current administration. No point clouding it more than that. The relative track records of NC vs the current board are not favourable to LR and co.

 

 

Again Nik-nac recruited Les Reed so if you blame Les for everything the buck ultimately stops at Nic's door. Do people really believe that Cortese was doing all the recruiting without any input from Les?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Yeah, no one ever enquired after Lallana, Lambert or Fonte before we hit the premier league.

 

Literally amazing how people come up with complete toffee on here.

 

Why are fans incapable of a level headed look at things? And what difference does it make if NC would have sold players? That may well have been part of his strategy. I think the point many make is that he would have kept Poch, and would have recruited better than the current administration. No point clouding it more than that. The relative track records of NC vs the current board are not favourable to LR and co.

 

lol complaining about people coming up with "toffee" , then writing a whole sweet shops worth.

 

Any links to moves for lallana, Fonte & Lambert. Any proof that Poch would have turned down Spurs? How do you prove we'd have recruited better, Osvaldo, Gaston, Forren, suggest not. Would Nicola have signed Mane, Pelle, VvD, because it's hard to recruit better than that.

 

 

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[CB Fry]

Yeah, no one ever enquired after Lallana, Lambert or Fonte before we hit the premier league.

 

Literally amazing how people come up with complete toffee on here.

 

Why are fans incapable of a level headed look at things? And what difference does it make if NC would have sold players? That may well have been part of his strategy. I think the point many make is that he would have kept Poch, and would have recruited better than the current administration. No point clouding it more than that. The relative track records of NC vs the current board are not favourable to LR and co.

The "track record" of NC is eighth in the Premier League. The "relative track record" of the current board is better than this three times over - 7th, 6th, 8th and a cup final. What's NC's "track record" since then? If I was appointing someone to lead a club into the top six then all I can see from his CV is a man with no experience of doing this at any professional football club anywhere.

 

Thats called a "level headed" look at things, also known as simple facts.

[Turkish]

Yeah, no one ever enquired after Lallana, Lambert or Fonte before we hit the premier league.

 

Literally amazing how people come up with complete toffee on here.

 

Why are fans incapable of a level headed look at things? And what difference does it make if NC would have sold players? That may well have been part of his strategy. I think the point many make is that he would have kept Poch, and would have recruited better than the current administration. No point clouding it more than that. The relative track records of NC vs the current board are not favourable to LR and co.

 

Laughable. So NC can sell players and it'd okay because it was part of his strategy, yet when Reed does it it's an absolutely disgraceful lack of ambition, not part of a strategy, a strategy which was has served us well and in part forced on them by what NC did in the first place.

 

Recruting better - Really? are Mayuka, Forren, Ramirez, Osvaldo, Gazzaniga any worse than players signed under this regime? Yes there were some fantastic player success under Cortese, but there have been under this regime too. There have also been failure, just like there were under Cortese. To glibly Cortese would have recruited better is utter BS and not based on any fact or historical performance.

 

As for Pochetino, he may have hung onto him for a bit longer, but do you really think he'd have stayed because Cortese was a great guy and they loved each other? He'd have had a bigger club come in for him by now and would have gone as well. Managers and players don't stay at clubs because of who the chairman is.

 

Still, you keep looking at things level headedly

[Heisenberg]

How did Cortese force Reed to sell players? Myth list growing

 

#myths

[aintforever]

The relative track records of NC vs the current board are not favourable to LR and co.

 

Apart from out performing Cortese's teams every season you mean?

[Gemmel]

How did Cortese force Reed to sell players? Myth list growing

 

#myths

 

Maybe the 68 million pound loan he took out with Vibrac played a part?

 

That was his second loan from Vibrac, the same loans that he mocked other clubs for taking out and assured us he would never do........ then went and it did the very same :lol::lol:

 

What is interesting is that loan had two signatures - Gareth Rodgers and NC (All available from Companies House £2.50) and were charged against every single asset of the club.

 

Perhaps more interesting is the first thing that KL did was restructure that loan with Macquarie Bank against her own estate, for better terms.

 

Kinda begs the question why she didn't do that in the first place.......... If she was aware of it :scared::scared:

 

Don't get me wrong, whilst a strange man, NC dragged this football club up through the leagues and is part of our history. But the model of him spending other peoples money unchecked, was a sustainable as pompeys financial strategy and anyone with half a brain could see things would have to change.

[ericb]

How did Cortese force Reed to sell players? Myth list growing

 

#myths

 

He didn't, but as a result of the significant overspend we had to balance books after Cortese left by selling our best players. Something that was talked about by Krueger and Reed towards the end of last season when they said this summer would be the first we wouldn't have to sell players

[tttdcs]

Maybe the 68 million pound loan he took out with Vibrac played a part?

 

That was his second loan from Vibrac, the same loans that he mocked other clubs for taking out and assured us he would never do........ then went and it did the very same :lol::lol:

 

What is interesting is that loan had two signatures - Gareth Rodgers and NC (All available from Companies House £2.50) and were charged against every single asset of the club.

 

Perhaps more interesting is the first thing that KL did was restructure that loan with Macquarie Bank against her own estate, for better terms.

 

Kinda begs the question why she didn't do that in the first place.......... If she was aware of it :scared::scared:

 

Don't get me wrong, whilst a strange man, NC dragged this football club up through the leagues and is part of our history. But the model of him spending other peoples money unchecked, was a sustainable as pompeys financial strategy and anyone with half a brain could see things would have to change.

 

Watch this space..... NC off to Fratton Park

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Maybe the 68 million pound loan he took out with Vibrac played a part?

 

That was his second loan from Vibrac, the same loans that he mocked other clubs for taking out and assured us he would never do........ then went and it did the very same :lol::lol:

 

What is interesting is that loan had two signatures - Gareth Rodgers and NC (All available from Companies House £2.50) and were charged against every single asset of the club.

 

Perhaps more interesting is the first thing that KL did was restructure that loan with Macquarie Bank against her own estate, for better terms.

 

Kinda begs the question why she didn't do that in the first place.......... If she was aware of it :scared::scared:

 

Don't get me wrong, whilst a strange man, NC dragged this football club up through the leagues and is part of our history. But the model of him spending other peoples money unchecked, was a sustainable as pompeys financial strategy and anyone with half a brain could see things would have to change.

 

Indeed mate that is spot on but several have agenda driven arguments and cannot acknowledge the current set up to be worth any credit, where as the more reasoned posters like yourself understand

that both set ups have good and bad.

[Heisenberg]

He didn't, but as a result of the significant overspend we had to balance books after Cortese left by selling our best players. Something that was talked about by Krueger and Reed towards the end of last season when they said this summer would be the first we wouldn't have to sell players

 

But we've spent more than we've received? didn't you see the latest financials?

[trousers]

[stevegrant]

What is interesting is that loan had two signatures - Gareth Rodgers and NC (All available from Companies House £2.50) and were charged against every single asset of the club.

All Companies House documents are free these days, I think.

[benjii]

Husband!

 

Two blokes, no way. Two girls, maybe.

 

[Gemmel]

All Companies House documents are free these days, I think.

 

Can I charge NC the £5 it cost me back then?

 

Anyway - Should make it easier for Glasgow.

[Lets B Avenue]

Can I charge NC the £5 it cost me back then?

 

Anyway - Should make it easier for Glasgow.

 

He will only settle on the day of the court hearing.

[Gemmel]

He will only settle on the day of the court hearing.

 

Ha ha .....Someone once told me we spent more hours as a club, with Lawyers, than we did on the training pitch........ I'm sure that was just a joke............. Although there is a great story (3rd hand so no idea if it is true) about a very young, very junior young man who was sacked on the spot (no idea what for)......... His Dad was apparently Queens Council. I will leave the rest to your imagination.

[Saint in Paradise]

He was paid to spend about £15m on Staplewood and ended up spending nearly £40m. That's not brilliant on my book.

 

That kind of over spending ( some might call it original cost under estimating ) seems to happen rather a lot in other companies as well. It can get even worse

 

when Public money is involved and I can't remember if a Govt. awarded contract has ever come in below estimate, e.g. the two new aircraft carriers and aircraft.

 

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[Avenue_Saint]

Some of the "facts" people quote on here, are they public information? Genuine question.

[egg]

That kind of over spending ( some might call it original cost under estimating ) seems to happen rather a lot in other companies as well. It can get even worse

 

when Public money is involved and I can't remember if a Govt. awarded contract has ever come in below estimate, e.g. the two new aircraft carriers and aircraft.

 

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It does, but this wasn't public money, it was real money belonging to the owner. The changes made to that development, and the wasted money, was outrageous. That amount, and the money spent on Osvaldo alone (his wages, that we paid up, were eye watering) justified anyone getting moved on and did the club harm for a long time in terms of a) the actual amount having to be paid but b) the wages paid to Osvaldo, and Ramirez, have meant that we've had to row backwards from unsustainable salaries to a more sustainable salary ceiling.

[egg]

Some of the "facts" people quote on here, are they public information? Genuine question.

I think the club published something like 37 or 39 million for Staplewood. I heard it was at 35 ish+ whilst the work was still being done, with a 15 million ish budget, but that we weren't done yet.

Edited 14 September, 2017 by egg

[Morse]

I don't want anyone with shoe lifts running my club. To that end I'm delighted the rat faced dwarf is gone.

[Disco Stu]

I notice the Palace fans want him to come to their club looking at their forums.

[sadoldgit]

An even bigger ego in the boardroom than Steve Parish?

[Noodles34]

Some of the "facts" people quote on here, are they public information? Genuine question.

 

Of course, dont you know (excuse the irony) that most people on here are ITK

[Saint86]

Again Nik-nac recruited Les Reed so if you blame Les for everything the buck ultimately stops at Nic's door. Do people really believe that Cortese was doing all the recruiting without any input from Les?

 

Strange comment Dodd, you do know that Les Reed signed none of our key players pre-prem?!?!