CB Fry Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 I think the main thing we all need to be mindful of, at difficult times like this, is that the scrawny little rat faced cu nt is long, long gone and almost certain to never come back. Ain't that just delicious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 12 o'clock he's on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 He'll be taking calls too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Reed and Krueger have read their own damned press and hype far too much over the "Southampton Way", "black box" and "academy" b*ll*cks; the club is, as shown last night, starting to fail at EVERY level. Have to agree with the bull's hit, but I guess bull's hit baffles brains and it hasn't done any harm to the club and probably the opposite and helped (a bit!). But I have to question why you think Krueger is involved with the BS? As a chairman of a football club, he is a joke. Maybe that is because I have no idea what he does, nor what his role at the club is. Does anyone know? If I was the new owner, Kreuger would be the first person out of the door, and I would seriously consider approaching NC to see if he would come back. Presumably NC is up to something as why else is he on the radio? If that is the case, then the question is will it be with us or someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Have to agree with the bull's hit, but I guess bull's hit baffles brains and it hasn't done any harm to the club and probably the opposite and helped (a bit!). But I have to question why you think Krueger is involved with the BS? As a chairman of a football club, he is a joke. Maybe that is because I have no idea what he does, nor what his role at the club is. Does anyone know? If I was the new owner, Kreuger would be the first person out of the door, and I would seriously consider approaching NC to see if he would come back. Presumably NC is up to something as why else is he on the radio? If that is the case, then the question is will it be with us or someone else? They mentioned that he may be returning to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 To be fair Turkish is spot on with what he's written and doesn't even get into shadier things like spending club money on personal housing projects, threatening people with legal action from the club based in no groundings and feint feelings of wrong doing towards him (i've seen the letters to prove this). He also treated all but the playing staff appalling badly and was totally out of control on spending and running the club as his own private empire. Of course most people will just look at the results and say he was great, but then i'm sure the Skates said that of their owners when they were winning the FA Cup. Fortunately we rooted this guy out before we fell into the kind of hole they fell into, but i have no doubt that would've happened long term if he'd stayed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 So, lets get things straight here... Markus Liebherr bought SFC. Not Katharina. He put Cortese in place, and they had a shared vision to bring greatness to this club. We all know what tragically happened to Markus. His daughter took over, and in tribute to her Dad, and because Germans tend to be more committed and willing to stick at things, she stuck to the plan, after a fashion. The goal to return to the PL was delivered. But that was a tick-in-the-box for her, in my opinion; at that point I think she felt that she had followed her Dad's dream enough, and not having a particular affintiy with football or Southampton, she planned her exit and decided that she wasnt going to support the longer-term vision, which NC was pursuing still. That's fine, but I am sick of reading NC being portrayed as a monster. He was brilliant for this club, only now its lost all the momentum he provided. I read once he put a faxed bid for a player from LIVERPOOL in the bin without reading it, considering it a disgrace they hadnt approached the club properly. Do you lot really think we would be stuck clueless with Carlos Kickaballs as manager and would have sold off all our decent players following assorted degrees of tapping-up if he were still here ?? Reed and Krueger have read their own damned press and hype far too much over the "Southampton Way", "black box" and "academy" b*ll*cks; the club is, as shown last night, starting to fail at EVERY level. And the only person who would know if that happened would have been Clots and maybe his PA and he made sure that story got out. All PR and no substance I'm afraid. And who was it he sold to Arsenal ? Not a selling club under Clots though eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 They mentioned that he may be returning to football. I would welcome him back to Southampton with open arms. I can but dream.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 When people need to qualify their disapproval of Cortese by recalling intricate elaborate inside stories, this is where I switch off. I couldn't give a toss about anything other than on the field performance. He found us a billionaire. That billionaire trusted and respected his judgement implicitly. He brought us back to the prem with a squad that was at no risk of being dismantled up until his departure. I would welcome him back with open arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Due to the way he ran the club, this will be an extremely interesting interview for us. I'm sure he will offer a very dispassionate and objective perspective. Is anyone able to keep a running commentary on here for those of us who are at work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 I would welcome him back to Southampton with open arms. I can but dream.......... No thanks. The choice isn't between a dictator like Cortese or the slow decline that we are seeing at the moment. I'll take the middle ground please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 When people need to qualify their disapproval of Cortese by recalling intricate elaborate inside stories, this is where I switch off. I couldn't give a toss about anything other than on the field performance. He found us a billionaire. That billionaire trusted and respected his judgement implicitly. He brought us back to the prem with a squad that was at no risk of being dismantled up until his departure. I would welcome him back with open arms You might not care about the off-field stuff, but it affects what happens on the pitch. Why did we have to sell players? To service large debts. Who accrued that debt? Oh, and that squad "that was at no risk of being dismantled until his departure" rather ignores Rickie Lambert almost being sold to West Ham before Les "Sell Everything" Reed, er, pulled the plug on it and didn't sell him in that window. That's before you get to this football chairman deity agreeing to sell Morgan Schneiderlin for £10m in summer 2014, before Les stopped that and sold him a year later for £25m. The only times big clubs came in for players, one left (AOC) and one had a deal agreed for a silly price considering he was one of our top players (MS). If those big clubs had come in whilst Nicola was in charge, don't you think they wouldn't still want to go just because he was chairman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 I'm not saying Les Reed has got every decision right, but considering the circumstances he's done a very good job. Nor am I saying Cortese was all bad; we got promoted twice so he must have done something right. But I don't think he was Mr Perfect and Les is Mr Can't Do Right, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Might try and keep a log of the Cortese myths - So far we have..... 1) Changing the bathroom tiles added £20m to the overall cost of the training ground 2) He's apparently desperate to get back into football but has been declined at every turn 3) He is a dictator and hated by employees 4) Spent club money on personal housing project 5) club would be in administration now had he not been sacked 6) he was fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 To be fair Turkish is spot on with what he's written and doesn't even get into shadier things like spending club money on personal housing projects, threatening people with legal action from the club based in no groundings and feint feelings of wrong doing towards him (i've seen the letters to prove this). He also treated all but the playing staff appalling badly and was totally out of control on spending and running the club as his own private empire. Of course most people will just look at the results and say he was great, but then i'm sure the Skates said that of their owners when they were winning the FA Cup. Fortunately we rooted this guy out before we fell into the kind of hole they fell into, but i have no doubt that would've happened long term if he'd stayed here. That's the difficulty of the whole situation. You cannot knock his results on the pitch and he made some very astute signings (staff wise), but they way he behaved was totally unacceptable. If you could find middle ground of Cortese drive & ambition with the currents people skills and business approach, you'd be on to a winner. Knowing people that work at the club at the time and still do, I do not think you'd find any of them who would want him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Due to the way he ran the club, this will be an extremely interesting interview for us. I'm sure he will offer a very dispassionate and objective perspective. Is anyone able to keep a running commentary on here for those of us who are at work? This. Can someone jot down the key points so we can review, analyse, dessiminate and rubbish? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Jim White being sycophantic before he even turns up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 He said never say never. Something got triggered when he spoke to old colleagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 He said never say never. Something got triggered when he spoke to old colleagues. Jim White said a lot of Saints fans have been texting in to say they would love him back. He then went on to say "Do you think you will ever return ...." and was going to say, "to the Premier League" but before he got there Nicola said "no, no I don't think I would..." before Jim White finished the rest of his sentence. Nicola then said "never say never (about returning to the Premier League) after something got triggered". Looks like he is coming back to the Premier League but not with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Might try and keep a log of the Cortese myths - So far we have..... 1) Changing the bathroom tiles added £20m to the overall cost of the training ground Literally nobody has said this. It is a fact that the original price for the training ground improvements was in the region of £20m, which incorporated a bit of leeway for variations on design and materials because it's pretty common to change minor things during the build process. It's also a fact that the cost ballooned and pretty much doubled - there are notes in the company accounts to this effect, I think part of the extra cost was to account for a big change in the new pitches, which would incorporate new, more expensive, technology. It is also a fact that there were a number of disputes with the contractors which resulted in significant spells of no work being done. If I remember rightly, the contractor was changed, which would have incorporated big termination payments, etc. As well as this big issue, there were a number of minor issues that just annoyed people and gave an indication as to how much of a pain in the arse Cortese was to deal with - while you may scoff with "oh, it's only changing the tiles, FFS", this costs money, and if you get a lot of those sort of situations (which he did), it starts to cost a lot of money. 2) He's apparently desperate to get back into football but has been declined at every turn Why do you think he is on the radio today? It's not because he's a regular commentator on the football industry. 3) He is a dictator and hated by employees Speak to anyone who worked at the club during his time there. 4) Spent club money on personal housing project Add various other purchases too. 5) club would be in administration now had he not been sacked It would never have got to that stage. 6) he was fired Pretty much. As with other key employees who have "left to pursue other avenues in their career", the public statements are written in a way to ensure that everyone saves face. Managers very rarely leave by mutual consent, despite what tedious club statements tend to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 i wish the radio had subtitles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 i wish the radio had subtitles It's very hard work!! White is one of the worst interviewers I've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Might try and keep a log of the Cortese myths - So far we have..... 1) Changing the bathroom tiles added £20m to the overall cost of the training ground 2) He's apparently desperate to get back into football but has been declined at every turn 3) He is a dictator and hated by employees 4) Spent club money on personal housing project 5) club would be in administration now had he not been sacked 6) he was fired Didn't he also smash up Benalis house, Fill the pool with champagne, firebomb his car and kidnap his wife. Or was that someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 this is interesting stuff, waited a long time to hear this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Making out we never had an academy before he came , sold Aoc to pay for training ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 oh dear, he is taking credit for Rupert Lowe's academy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 has he mentioned the tiles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Aoc played up his family causing grief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 that s a surprise, skate bastard, on no, here come the fans' calls, this should be funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 that s a surprise, skate bastard, on no, here come the fans' calls, this should be funny! Bet it's only positive calls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 maybe Turkish will be calling in I hope someone mentions the car park charge fiasco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 my pc is obviously behind real time so if you could all defer posting what he has said for a minute, so it will not ruin it for me, thanks (like waiting for MOTD without knowing the results i guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Has the dwarf said anything interesting yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Has the dwarf said anything interesting yet? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Has the dwarf said anything interesting yet? Yup. How tough it was and how great he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 yes like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Its quite clear why KL got rid of him, because her long term vision was to sell, it was ****ing obvious pal and now it has happened. Spot on. Once KL got the tick-in-the-box of a PL return, she was focused on her exit strategy and protecting her asset, which NCs strategy was not compatible with. Fair enough, but lets not demonise NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Has the dwarf said anything interesting yet? all this 1) Changing the bathroom tiles added £20m to the overall cost of the training ground 2) He's apparently desperate to get back into football but has been declined at every turn 3) He is a dictator and hated by employees 4) Spent club money on personal housing project 5) club would be in administration now had he not been sacked 6) he was fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Who is that ****ing clown Matt. " Not many like what's happened the last 2 or 3 years". That's bull Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Matt seems well informed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Who is that ****ing clown Matt. " Not many like what's happened the last 2 or 3 years". That's bull Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk we would have finished top 4 under NC, dont you know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Matt - I had hoped it was going to be Le Tiss. Instead, we got a knob jockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Who is that ****ing clown Matt. " Not many like what's happened the last 2 or 3 years". That's bull Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk All phone in`s are bu ll shyte... it s nothing new... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 he knew she was selling up, surprised it took so long, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 FFS, going on about vD. White is a complete and utter tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 If you were Mr. Gao and daughter, who would you entrust more to turn this around (but perhaps with some cost) ? Krueger and Reed, or Cortese ? I know which I'd go for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 FFS, going on about vD. White is a complete and utter tool. Perhaps it Heisenberg then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 he's trying to be polite about KL, basically saying she didnt want to take the club any further. It is how we all suspected really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFear Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Matt seems well informed lol haha, that was exactly my thought shame he hasn't enjoyed the last 2-3 years. it almost like he was a plant. not that cortese needs any more love with plenty coming from white, 'we are in the presence of greatness' - what??!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 12 September, 2017 Share Posted 12 September, 2017 Resigned because owner became complacent and didn't want to invest to push forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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