Fraser Forster is he at the level we require?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Clean sheets are not a very good indicator of a keeper's ability. A stick of rhubarb would keep a clean sheet behind a brilliant defence and midfield playing a poor attack.

 

 

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What is then no clean sheets at all?.... FFS some people do talk some garbage

Edited 22 August, 2017 by ALWAYS_SFC

[Mr X]

How did he do against wolves?

 

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[Give it to Ron]

How did he do against wolves?

 

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First goal flat footed but no defender jumped free header. Second goal bobbled past him easy to blame him but problem was before that in play losing too cheaply.

I was surprised McCarthy didn't play considering he needs game time after injury.

 

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[angelman]

Agree McCarthy could have played. Maybe with only one U23 game under his belt he wasn't deemed ready.

[S-Clarke]

Agree McCarthy could have played. Maybe with only one U23 game under his belt he wasn't deemed ready.

 

It's not like he has to be extra fit, he's only a goal keeper. I was staggered he didn't play last night to be honest. Now we've got no cup games until the new year, so we won't see him until then.

[spyinthesky]

First goal flat footed but no defender jumped free header. Second goal bobbled past him easy to blame him but problem was before that in play losing too cheaply.

I was surprised McCarthy didn't play considering he needs game time after injury.

 

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I try not to join in with criticism of Fraser

 

However I think he should have done better with the second goal

 

I reckon he thought the game was over at this stage and went in half hearted with his challenge using his legs not his body to smother the ball

 

Poor effort in an overall extremely disappointing team performance (Yoshi and Romeu excepted)

[Hatch]

The fact the same question is raised after most games, suggests not.

[once_bitterne]

It's not like he has to be extra fit, he's only a goal keeper. I was staggered he didn't play last night to be honest. Now we've got no cup games until the new year, so we won't see him until then.

 

Oh I wouldn't say that.....

[maxi_sopez]

finally been dropped by England, maybe that will give him the kick up the arse he needs

[benjii]

Maybe McCarthy was being saved for the weekend.

[DT]

Wow, Gareth Southgate has eyes.

[Miltonaggro]

Maybe McCarthy was being saved for the weekend.

 

Thought the same, and with Gazzaniga off to Spurs maybe the Alaves keeper might be being lined up.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Wouldn't be surprised if he's left out of the England squad Thursday.

 

 

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Should have had a flutter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[qwertyell]

Not sure about Southgate as a coach, but dropping Forster, Ward-Prowse and Redmond at least suggests he's paying attention.

[Donatello]

He can't have any complaints.

[Hatch]

Southgate picked 4 keepers as well, and he still didn;t get in

[Batman]

totally deserved

[saint lard]

Just shows how mediocre our players have become....lots are falling from grace.

Steady decline from last season to this thus far.

 

 

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[Batman]

Just shows how mediocre our players have become....lots are falling from grace.

Steady decline from last season to this thus far.

 

 

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Bertrand could be out when rose is fit

[Pamplemousse]

Not sure about Southgate as a coach, but dropping Forster, Ward-Prowse and Redmond at least suggests he's paying attention.

 

But for some reason included Defoe

[Window Cleaner]

Not sure about Southgate as a coach, but dropping Forster, Ward-Prowse and Redmond at least suggests he's paying attention.

 

 

Perhaps he didn't read Les's text outlining how fantastic they all are.

[Goalie66]

For what it is worth from an ex Goalie on Forster.

Let me give you an anlysis of his attributes as follows:

1. Reading of the game

Good goalies are constantly analysing the play and tring to anticipate. This allows them to be in position quicker to deal with any situation.This is particular true in determining when to come off your line for both crosses or to intercept a through ball. Forster is very weak at this. Last night was a good example in the first half where he hesitated and only lousy finishing avoided an emabarrsing gooal.

2. Bravery

 

We all know that good goalies are a little nuts. It takes courage to dive in or come for crosses where you are likely to get hit. I remember Shilton diving in head first to prevent a shot with his fist as the player was about to shoot on the ground. You never see that now.Forster never even goes in with his feet !!

 

Shot Stopping

 

The most glamorous and athletic part of goalkeeping. To be athletic in this regard requires agile feet and hands to stop longer range shots on both the ground and air. His height is a disadvantage on ground shots but he is not that athletic in the air either. He has no spring. No obvious agility

 

Reflexes,

 

His reactions are good that require a reflex response but not where anticipation is required

 

Communication

 

A good goalie has to command the box and inspire defenders so that they feel confident in him. I do not get that impression he is inspirational. More a gentle giant in fact.

 

Distribution

A modern goalie can break up play and initiate attacks. In this respect I think Forster has improved.

 

Conclusions

 

I believe that Forster has regressed and is either not receiving adequate coaching to improve his skills and therefore his confidence or he has plateaued. In any event at the moment I do not think he is average Premier League and we could do better both in coiaching and in players at this level.

[Saint Fan CaM]

No...not good enough for this level. Not sure what his strengths are to put it another way. Gazza got better...Forster has not improved much if at all.

[SKD]

But for some reason included Defoe

 

Who would you have in ahead of him? He's a natural goal scorer with a proven record.

[simo]

But for some reason included Defoe

 

He's included sturridge who's hardly had a game too

[brett24]

I still believe in Forster, he was amazing 2 seasons ago. He will come back, hopefully he will be in goal this weekend. The reaction save before West Ham's second was amazing.

[Gorgiesaint]

No...not good enough for this level. Not sure what his strengths are to put it another way. Gazza got better...Forster has not improved much if at all.

 

Are you seriously trying to compare Forster with Gazzaniga? Gianluigi Buffon hasn't improved much over the last few years but that doesn't make him a poor goalkeeper (and I am in no way comparing Forster with Buffon!)

 

Interesting analysis by Goalie66, but I think you've missed one area. Forster, IMO, has never recovered his form he had prior to getting injured. I would not only look at changing the coaching as you suggested, but also consider whether he should seek help from a sports psychologist. I wonder if mentally he has fully recovered form his injury.

[Saint in Paradise]

Interesting analysis by Goalie66, but I think you've missed one area. Forster, IMO, has never recovered his form he had prior to getting injured.

I would not only look at changing the coaching as you suggested, but also consider whether he should seek help from a sports psychologist.

I wonder if mentally he has fully recovered form his injury.

 

 

This could be an excellent idea but as FF insists that he only listens to 5 other people would he actually listen to, absorb and

act upon any advice? I somehow suspect not as some PL players let their ego be a massive obstruction to constructive criticism.

[Badger]

See we had another Fraser fumble yesterday, spilling a cross he looked to have gathered whilst under no particular pressure from a Huddersfield player. Hardly a game passes without some mishap or other. Got away with it yesterday.

 

Despite this he remains a regular selection without being challenged. Big mistake not upgrading in the GK dept this summer, even if only a more reliable deputy to compete for the position.

[stevy777_x]

I despair...

[JRM]

See we had another Fraser fumble yesterday, spilling a cross he looked to have gathered whilst under no particular pressure from a Huddersfield player. Hardly a game passes without some mishap or other. Got away with it yesterday.

 

Despite this he remains a regular selection without being challenged. Big mistake not upgrading in the GK dept this summer, even if only a more reliable deputy to compete for the position.

 

This time last year Forster dropped out of the England squad injured and was replaced by fellow saints keeper Alex McCarthy , I think Les Reed said at the time both of them should be aiming to go to Russia for the World Cup, I hope they've applied for tickets as neither of them will be getting back in the England squad before then.

[Pass the Dutchie]

I despair...

 

What Forster needs is confidence. He kept his goal clean (with a bit of luck). Praising him seems the best way to go at such moments, I'd think.

[ashnats]

I despair...

 

Mirror described him as "imperious" yesterday. Every minor error is being pounced on by some, but he is still a quality keeper, and the stats don't lie, a clean sheet is a win for him, and he gets a lot of them.

[baggytrousers]

Clean sheets are not a very good indicator of a keeper's ability. A stick of rhubarb would keep a clean sheet behind a brilliant defence and midfield playing a poor attack.

 

 

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But I thought our centre backs were supposed to not be premier league quality.

[whelk]

Mirror described him as "imperious" yesterday. Every minor error is being pounced on by some, but he is still a quality keeper, and the stats don't lie, a clean sheet is a win for him, and he gets a lot of them.

 

‘‘Tis the problem I now have with Redmond. Once looking out for them hard not to negatively judge all the time.

[Tom & Gerry]

At his best he makes it look easy. I personally prefer his type to a smaller jack in the box type keeper. He made some good saves on Saturday, go on give him some credit...........thought not.

[shurlock]

Imperious on Saturday?

 

His best save came from his own comical error. His second best save came from misjudging a shot and diving early. He made an excellent block from a cross; but let's not get carried away.