Hugo Scheckter comes out as gay.

[adrian lord]

Calling people "retarded". Doesn't that show disgraceful Learning Disabled Phobia? Whoever on here used that insult probably called people "spastics" and Spazz" as an insult 20 years ago...dinosaurs the lot of you.

[Bearsy]

If a customer said "I'm gay" to me, I'd say "I'm not interested mate"

 

I normally let them buy me a drink first

[NorthamSteve]

Please explain which of my views are "unenlightened". I treat gay people the same as straight ones, so maybe it's the view that men shouldn't need to "come out", maybe the view I've expressed, that I don't care one way or the other. I don't care what floats straight people's boats and I don't care what floats gay folks boats. If that's unenlightened than political correctness has gone mad.

 

I sometimes drink in a pub run by gays,because the owner & his husband keep a damn good pint. They didn't tell me they were gay when I first walked in, it's never been discussed , just like I don't discuss the landlords sexual preferences in a straight bar. It's just a pub,and I act like I do in any other pub. We talk about football, bands, holidays. I don't feel the need to tell other customers I'm straight,and they don't feel the need to tell me whether they're gay or not.If a customer said "I'm gay" to me, I'd say "I'm not interested mate", just the same response I'd give if they said they were straight. Wouldn't that be better if everyone was like that?

 

To try and portray me as some sort of homophobic dinosaur is insulting and false.

 

 

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Your opinions throughout this thread illustrate the problem. In answer to your first question, it's news because there are 5000 pro footballers in England and Wales and NONE are out as gay. There are only 2 players that ever played in England and Wales that did come out as gay, one left the country because of the stigma attached, the other killed himself.

 

What you appear to be lacking is emotional intelligence, not considering how hard is must be for anyone in that world to come out, it's fantastic that Hugo felt comfortable enough to do but there is still so much to be done in this aspect of the game. It's not about saying 'I don't care about your sexuality', it about creating a supportive society that makes it as normal as being straight. Clearly, you're not homophobic, but you could perhaps consider the barriers and stigma attached in football society that you'e ignoring, instead of passing off what is a very big story as a load of cobblers.

[Hatch]

Is Hugo in a relationship?

 

asking for a friend.

[sotonist]

Your opinions throughout this thread illustrate the problem. In answer to your first question, it's news because there are 5000 pro footballers in England and Wales and NONE are out as gay. There are only 2 players that ever played in England and Wales that did come out as gay, one left the country because of the stigma attached, the other killed himself.

 

What you appear to be lacking is emotional intelligence, not considering how hard is must be for anyone in that world to come out, it's fantastic that Hugo felt comfortable enough to do but there is still so much to be done in this aspect of the game. It's not about saying 'I don't care about your sexuality', it about creating a supportive society that makes it as normal as being straight. Clearly, you're not homophobic, but you could perhaps consider the barriers and stigma attached in football society that you'e ignoring, instead of passing off what is a very big story as a load of cobblers.

 

I'd prefer a society that doesn't feel the need to persecute abnormality.

[angelman]

I'd prefer a society that doesn't feel the need to persecute abnormality.

 

I am always curious as to who is the arbiter of what is normal and abnormal.

[The9]

Personally I'm not bothered who he sticks his thing in, but a quick look at some of the comments on social media in response to it shows precisely why it IS still important that ignorance around any kind of "difference" is challenged.

 

In the space of about 3 responses I saw the whole gamut, from religious intolerance and pleading for God's forgiveness on his behalf, to paranoia about "the gays" taking over the media and everything, to the whole ancient stereotype "being gay is weakness" stuff.

 

FWIW I also couldn't care less about singing "we can see you holding hands" as I don't actually see it as a negative anyway, but I can see why others think it perpetuates a stereotype and the chant is perceived as derogatory.

 

It's wider than just football, but of course the bemusing stats on "out" gay players put the focus on the sport because it's very difficult to make a case that that's because everyone is completely accepting of it and it just isn't worth mentioning.

Edited 17 August, 2017 by The9

[NorthamSteve]

I'd prefer a society that doesn't feel the need to persecute abnormality.

 

That's essentially the same thing, mate.

[Monk]

Brilliant on having the balls to come out in such a crappy industry.

 

Personally, I couldn't give a damn if your white, black, blue, gay, straight, by gender, fake gender, made up gender. Hate the fact people need to 'come out' should be able to just get on with it. If your papped out with your partner, then so be it. More interested in how good you are at your job when it comes to football.

[angelman]

Brilliant on having the balls to come out in such a crappy industry.

 

But it would be ballsier if a current PL player came out.

[diggers]

having read the article im mad with myself for missing it and not putting two and two together.....

I just didn't notice he was Jodi Scheckters son. What a phenomenal driver he was!

[hutch]

I'd prefer a society that doesn't feel the need to persecute abnormality.

I'd settle for one that doesn't persecute normality for starters.

[Saint_Ash]

But it would be ballsier if a current PL player came out.

Ronaldo should just hurry up and come out, the whole world would be accepting then.

[Batman]

Brilliant on having the balls to come out in such a crappy industry.

 

Personally, I couldn't give a damn if your white, black, blue, gay, straight, by gender, fake gender, made up gender. Hate the fact people need to 'come out' should be able to just get on with it. If your papped out with your partner, then so be it. More interested in how good you are at your job when it comes to football.

 

so far, no one gives a shyt.

so where is this 'crappy industry' you speak of?

[Ohio Saint]

Sam Allardyce has now come out as being fat.

[Saint Albert]

I'd prefer a society that doesn't feel the need to persecute abnormality.

 

Being gay is not an abnormality. It is perfectly normal, and perfectly natural. Some members of the heterosexual majority continue to treat gays despicably, which is why gestures such as the one we're talking about are still both brave and important.

[pluto]

'gays' that come out in 2017 are just attention seekers.

[St Chalet]

'gays' that come out in 2017 are just attention seekers.

 

Was tempted to straight out call you a Bellend, but would be interested in a detailed justification for your statement ( if you can)

[AK]

I met Hugo a couple of times, seems like a really good guy. Looked him up on twitter a few months ago and anybody that thinks we live in enlightened times should read some of the abuse he got ( maybe still gets ) from saints fans for being gay.

 

I still follow him but rarely can be arsed to look at my feed , in case you are wondering ! Normally just look at it on match days to get the Solent post match interviews.

[Ohio Saint]

'gays' that come out in 2017 are just attention seekers.

 

Thanks for the tip. I'll wait until 2018.

[NorthamSteve]

'gays' that come out in 2017 are just attention seekers.

 

Was tempted to straight out call you a Bellend, but would be interested in a detailed justification for your statement ( if you can)

 

Not a chance, he's a bellend.

[Batman]

Was tempted to straight out call you a Bellend, but would be interested in a detailed justification for your statement ( if you can)

 

it is all virtue signalling.. 'look at me, I am gay/trans/pan-sexual/gender fluid'

no one here gives a toss if hugo (or anyone) is gay. which is probably the best response possible

[benjii]

it is all virtue signalling.. 'look at me, I am gay/trans/pan-sexual/gender fluid'

no one here gives a toss if hugo (or anyone) is gay. which is probably the best response possible

 

What do you mean "virtue signalling"? That doesn't make much sense in the context you have used it.

 

Is this something you have read recently but don't quite get?

[Batman]

What do you mean "virtue signalling"? That doesn't make much sense in the context you have used it.

 

Is this something you have read recently but don't quite get?

 

it is all the rage at the moment. Telling the world how wonderfully different you apparently are for no other reason than to demonstrate you are such a great person

 

 

probably not so much in Hugo's case but why on earth anyone gives a shyt is beyond me. Probably because it is not news worthy. Someone is gay, well done.

[Pass the Dutchie]

Lots of people in this thread who are the kind who'd say things like 'There isn't a straight pride parade, so why does there need to be a gay pride parade'. The level of ignorance isn't surprising, to be honest,

[Batman]

Lots of people in this thread who are the kind who'd say things like 'There isn't a straight pride parade, so why does there need to be a gay pride parade'. The level of ignorance isn't surprising, to be honest,

 

has anyone said that here?

 

the sooner people just shrug their shoulders at this sort of news the better.

[Pass the Dutchie]

has anyone said that here?

 

Obviously not. Otherwise I wouldn't have written it that way.

[St Chalet]

it is all the rage at the moment. Telling the world how wonderfully different you apparently are for no other reason than to demonstrate you are such a great person

 

 

probably not so much in Hugo's case but why on earth anyone gives a shyt is beyond me. Probably because it is not news worthy. Someone is gay, well done.

 

Say for example 1 in 20 men were gay. How many Premier League footballers would that equate to?

 

And how many have felt able to come out?

 

It was clearly a big moment for the lad in terms of his confidence around his colleagues.

 

I agree it should be a non-issue, but football is 30 years behind the times in respect of sexuality and ethnicity bias.

[Batman]

Obviously not. Otherwise I wouldn't have written it that way.

 

so, just made up generalisation then

[Pass the Dutchie]

so, just made up generalisation then

 

Nope. People here not understanding why it's a big deal to come out as a gay person, especially in a macho environment, and calling gay people coming out 'attention seekers' is pretty much the same/worse.

[Batman]

Nope. People here not understanding why it's a big deal to come out as a gay person, especially in a macho environment, and calling gay people coming out 'attention seekers' is pretty much the same/worse.

 

I believe it is people like you holding the Gay community back. You are the one saying it is a big deal and thus, making him (for some weird reason) different.

 

I just think we should be past that and when someone comes out, just think, 'ah that is nice' and carry on with your day.

the sooner it becomes the norm (and not a cause of celebration) the sooner football might catch up

 

but carry and tell us that is a 'big deal'

[shurlock]

What do you mean "virtue signalling"? That doesn't make much sense in the context you have used it.

 

Is this something you have read recently but don't quite get?

 

 

What is it about this term that attracts so many halfwits? Can't we just keep it old school.

 

[angelman]

One thing it does say is that he feels both confident in himself to come out (after all it was illegal 50 odd years ago) as well as SFC being an environment where he feels comfortable being himself.

[Bearsy]

I imagine upto now this Hugo bro has been hiding it. Turning up at club dinners stag. Keeping his eyebrows bushy. Logging into the black box & downloading straight porn. That's why he's in a position where he's deciding to Come Out en masse I would think. I'd prob do the same, all at once like ripping a plaster off, rather than i.e. pinning a topless photo of Tom Hardy up in my workspace and leaving things to the Rumour Mill.

[Pass the Dutchie]

I believe it is people like you holding the Gay community back. You are the one saying it is a big deal and thus, making him (for some weird reason) different.

 

I just think we should be past that and when someone comes out, just think, 'ah that is nice' and carry on with your day.

the sooner it becomes the norm (and not a cause of celebration) the sooner football might catch up

 

but carry and tell us that is a 'big deal'

 

When my sister finally had the courage to come out, I gave her a hug and a shrug and carried on with my day. Not newsworthy, and nothing between us changed. As it should be. Someone's sister comes out as gay probably every single day. But if for the first time in history an active professional football player is brave enough to risk his career (their fear, not saying it should be so) and comes out as gay, it's news worthy of some attention.

 

I fully agree we SHOULD be past being gay being a big deal. Wanting that doesn't make it so, sadly. Not everyone is as openminded. You can't magically create equality just by saying people are equal.

[suewhistle]

It's quite amusing but sad reading this thread as you can pretty much tell from the rest of their posts elsewhere in the forum who doesn't get it. The "I don't care if they're gay, but I don't want to know" mob, who then spend an inordinate number of posts trying to convince you that they're OK with it.

 

I'm not going to tell you I'm lesbian as that would be attention seeking, but I'm going to show this thread to my girfriend when she comes round tomorrow night and we'll have a laugh together..

[krissyboy31]

I wonder if the timing of this report has anything to do with Gareth Thomas's quite shocking documentary on the state of homophobia in football.

[shurlock]

I wonder if the timing of this report has anything to do with Gareth Thomas's quite shocking documentary on the state of homophobia in football.

 

According to Batman who's intimately familiar with the gay scene in football, there isn't a problem. Hugo Scheckter is a self-indulgent virtue-signaller.

[Lord Duckhunter]

It's quite amusing but sad reading this thread as you can pretty much tell from the rest of their posts elsewhere in the forum who doesn't get it. The "I don't care if they're gay, but I don't want to know" mob, who then spend an inordinate number of posts trying to convince you that they're OK with it.

 

I'm not going to tell you I'm lesbian as that would be attention seeking, but I'm going to show this thread to my girfriend when she comes round tomorrow night and we'll have a laugh together..

 

What a ridiculous way to judge if someone "gets it". Their other posts, nothing to do with footballs gay problem

 

"I think JWP is an average player".....you ****kng homophobe.

 

"We should play 3-5-2 formation"..... Stop with your anti gay agenda.

 

"Has anyone got a spare Palace ticket"......Ban the Nazi

 

Please explain what the "it" is? This week a referee came out, that's pretty ****kng brave, but it would be if a ref had said he liked old Grannies or fat birds. I don't see why a club employee feels the need to announce to the world his sexual preferences. Not because I'm uncomfortable with them, but because it's boring and pointless.

 

 

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[scotty]

 

I'm not going to tell you I'm lesbian as that would be attention seeking, but I'm going to show this thread to my girfriend when she comes round tomorrow night and we'll have a laugh together..

 

When she comes round? Tomorrow night?? What the hell did you knock her out with?

[niceandfriendly]

Happy for Hugo if true but won't believe this until it's on the OS

[Monk]

so far, no one gives a shyt.

so where is this 'crappy industry' you speak of?

 

Its the industry I work in.. I know how volatile and prehistoric some of the muppets are. Bit of a naive comment from you to be fair.

[Jonnyboy]

No not kidding. I'm not talking about what happens in a country that follows some religious tenet that advocates killing homosexuals. I'm talking about this country. As for right wingers being more predisposed to extreme homophobia, I would actually look more closely at those in this country whose codified tenets condone the killing of homosexuals.

 

So stuff like this never goes on, like last weekend:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/gay-man-carl-johnson-homophobic-attack-pub-rochdale-manchester-hate-crime-lgbt-a7898136.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[Ulrich van Gobbel]

Is Hugo in a relationship?

 

asking for a friend.

 

FAO your friend, Hatch!

[sotonjoe]

According to Batman who's intimately familiar with the gay scene in football, there isn't a problem. Hugo Scheckter is a self-indulgent virtue-signaller.

 

Ignore Jamie. He still has bad dreams about that time he dropped the soap in the shower onboard his submarine.

 

 

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[Ohio Saint]

Hey Sue! I've been researching the gay on the internet. It turns out that when women have the gay, it's called lipstick lesbian videos. I've watched a few for research, and they made me horny. Does this mean I'm a lipstick lesbian video? I wouldn't normally ask, but I'm currently writing my CV. I need it to be accurate because I want to be a footy manager for a top Premier league team or a shelf stocker at Sainsbury's.

 

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[Saint_clark]

Well I for one will never set foot inside St Marys again.

 

FFS, this shouldn't be news. Making it news, making a big deal of it and applauding him as a hero for this only works to exaggerate how "different" he is and make it out to be a bigger deal than it actually is.

Batman is completely spot on that the best response to this kind of news should be everyone just shrugging their shoulders and turning the page, not going "OMG what an amazing step forward".

[Ohio Saint]

For what it's worth, to those that insist that they just don't care about anyone's sexuality, so why would they tell me? Perhaps you should worry less about about how little you supposedly care, and appreciate more that a person has shared with you a very important piece of information that is important to what makes them who they are. To share this information is not attention seeking, it is a big step forward in forming a better personal understanding. Whether a celebrity or a close friend, why would anyone reject this important information so readily? This is exactly the kind of info that you need in order to better relate to your friends and their feelings. To reject this news is to reject an important part of them.

 

Why would anyone do that?

Edited 18 August, 2017 by Ohio Saint

[Saint_clark]

For what it's worth, to those that insist that they just don't care about anyone's sexuality, so why would they tell me? Perhaps you should worry less about about how little you supposedly care, and appreciate more that a person has shared with you a very important piece of information that is important to what makes them who they are. To share this information is not attention seeking, it is a big step forward in forming a better personal understanding. Whether a celebrity or a close friend, why would anyone reject this important information so readily? This is exactly the kind of info that you need in order to better relate to your friends and their feelings. To reject this news is to reject an important part of them.

 

The fact that it's such a big moment is still part of the problem - it shouldn't be. It should just be another facet of a personality like a favourite colour or food type.

Put it this way - would you have the same awe-struck, humbled and touched reaction to being told the ground breaking news that someone is straight? That is every bit as important a piece of information as someone being gay.

[Pass the Dutchie]

Why would anyone do that?

 

Because, I'm guessing, they don't validate that it can be a struggle and consequently a big scary thing and a relief at the same time to come out. Of course gay people are hoping everyone will just shrug. That's not the point, because it's not the reality. Being gay and being straight in this world are just not yet the same thing. A straight person who thinks 'Why should I care? I don't tell you that I'm straight' ignores the fact that everyone assumes you're straight already. There's no need for them to come out, and there's no struggle or doubts involved (for most). In a perfect world everyone would shrug and nobody would care. But the 100% 'straight' Premier League (and most other professional leagues over the world) is crystal clear proof that gay players aren't confident that it won't be a big and potentially negative, deal.