Batman Posted 5 August, 2019 Share Posted 5 August, 2019 What is the point of loaning him without a guarenteed purchase? A year ago he would have been in most people's list of our top 3 or 5 players and now we are about to loan him to a PL rival seemingly without a guarenteed purchase. We look very light in that position unless Reed becomes a viable option and I bet we won't replace Lemina. JWP better more advanced and we know Romeu will get suspensions. Seems a poor deal unless it allows us to make a move. when he comes back, we can then say our squad will be stronger. good forward planning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 August, 2019 Share Posted 5 August, 2019 What is the point of loaning him without a guarenteed purchase? A year ago he would have been in most people's list of our top 3 or 5 players and now we are about to loan him to a PL rival seemingly without a guarenteed purchase. We look very light in that position unless Reed becomes a viable option and I bet we won't replace Lemina. JWP better more advanced and we know Romeu will get suspensions. Seems a poor deal unless it allows us to make a move. Can only assume it's our only option and that it *possibly* helps bring in a new player? 'Option to buy' never seems to work with our loan-outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 5 August, 2019 Share Posted 5 August, 2019 Poor decision to loan without a guarantee of a buy. I’d rather we don’t get a player and let him sit in the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 5 August, 2019 Share Posted 5 August, 2019 Poor decision to loan without a guarantee of a buy. I’d rather we don’t get a player and let him sit in the stands. Perhaps the wages have been paid for by Wolves? Could help us bring another body in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 5 August, 2019 Share Posted 5 August, 2019 Let him go to whoever wants him, on the condition they take a piece of deadwood as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Perhaps the wages have been paid for by Wolves? Could help us bring another body in! Thats why we got the squad we have, loan a player out...buy another. Come next summer they are both here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 You guys never heard of loan fees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 So what other options are there if no side wants to buy or guarantee buying him? Do you all suggest we let him sit on sidelines? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 So what other options are there if no side wants to buy or guarantee buying him? Do you all suggest we let him sit on sidelines? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yet they're unimpressed when Charlie wants to do that. We have some ****ing odd fans to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 So what other options are there if no side wants to buy or guarantee buying him? Do you all suggest we let him sit on sidelines? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quite. It seems that our fans think that we dictate the terms on which we offload players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 So what other options are there if no side wants to buy or guarantee buying him? Do you all suggest we let him sit on sidelines? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Have we tried making his life hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Thats why we got the squad we have, loan a player out...buy another. Come next summer they are both here. TBF it sounds like they're relatively happy buying him, but on an Ings style deal probably for FFP or cash flow or whatever...obligation to buy next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Have we tried making his life hell? How would that make a team approach us and take him? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 The earliest ever relegation from the Prem is March 29th, so to have 2 down by Feb is pretty mental! Not literally down but down in the way Huddersfield and Fulham were clearly down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Not literally down but down in the way Huddersfield and Fulham were clearly down. ok so if its not literally down, then we can actually say the earliest relegation ever will be August 10th when Shefiield United KO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 What is the point of loaning him without a guarenteed purchase? A year ago he would have been in most people's list of our top 3 or 5 players and now we are about to loan him to a PL rival seemingly without a guarenteed purchase. We look very light in that position unless Reed becomes a viable option and I bet we won't replace Lemina. JWP better more advanced and we know Romeu will get suspensions. Seems a poor deal unless it allows us to make a move. A bit of common sense was sorely need on this thread and you have supplied it. If his loan didn't work out for whatever reason he will be worth even less next year. Lemexit means Lemexit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 A bit of common sense was sorely need on this thread and you have supplied it. If his loan didn't work out for whatever reason he will be worth even less next year. Lemexit means Lemexit! So Boris. ...how do we make the EU who are not interested in buying him do that ? How do we force them into loans with commitment to buy if they are not interested in that deal? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 No idea how reliable Soccer Link are as a source: Southampton's agreement with Wolves over Mario Lemina has taken time to iron out due to a clause Wolves wanted to put in the deal. Lemina is out-of-favour at Southampton and has actively been looking to find another club this summer. He is expected to stay in the Premier League by moving to Wolves on loan from Southampton, with a deal having been worked out. The agreement will see Lemina play his football at Wolves next season and Nuno's side will then be obliged to buy him permanently next summer. According to French outlet Soccer Link, the reason for the delay in the deal being agreed was down to a request from Wolves. Wolves wanted a clause putting in the agreement which specified that Lemina had to make 30 or more appearances for the mandatory option to apply. It is unclear whether Southampton have agreed to the request from their fellow Premier League side. Lemina had interest from a host of clubs this summer, both in the Premier League and abroad, but now looks set to sign for Wolves on an initial loan. Source: http://www.insidefutbol.com/2019/08/06/wolves-request-delayed-final-agreement-with-southampton-for-mario-lemina/432648/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 No idea how reliable Soccer Link are as a source: Source: http://www.insidefutbol.com/2019/08/06/wolves-request-delayed-final-agreement-with-southampton-for-mario-lemina/432648/ They can have the clause, but the loan fee goes up to £20m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 That's a real try before you buy. If he's good enough he prob will do 30, presume not just league games. If he's cack, then he won't make 30 games. and let's not forget, he's never done 30 games in a season before. Done 29 a couple of times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 That's a real try before you buy. If he's good enough he prob will do 30, presume not just league games. If he's cack, then he won't make 30 games. I think it's a clever clause. I don't think he will be fit for 30 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Unlikely he'd play 30 games, so get rid of that clause. maybe 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 and let's not forget, he's never done 30 games in a season before. Done 29 a couple of times With that clause in, he'd play 29 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Unlikely he'd play 30 games, so get rid of that clause. maybe 15 I agree. He won't play 30 games for them and Wolves know it so they are basically wriggling out of any obligation to buy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 He won't play 30 games, either because he isn't fit to, or because Wolves don't want to complete the deal and so stall him on 29 games. As noted above, we need to factor in risk and increase the loan fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 We probably did agree to it. We even agreed to give Guly a 15 minute guaranteed per game clause FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Perhaps they've learnt from watching our mishandling of an obligation to buy deal. Couldn't expect Reed to come up with anything as sharp as that when he lumbered us with Ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Exactly this, knowing Ings injury record why there wasnt a clause ill never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Watdord reject 2nd Everton bid for Doucoure. @DominicKing_DM: Watford have rebuffed a second Everton bid for Abdoulaye Doucoure (£36.7m) and are adamant that he will not be sold so close to the window Everton still have cash to burn considering this AND that they still plan to make another Zaha bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Exactly this, knowing Ings injury record why there wasnt a clause ill never know Played 24 league games last season, while Lemina managed 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Watdord reject 2nd Everton bid for Doucoure. Everton still have cash to burn considering this AND that they still plan to make another Zaha bid. And where are they getting that cash from then? Must be infringing FFP by now. Reckless spending, probably won't get them any nearer the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 No sane person would put that clause in, just play him 29 games and don’t bother. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Not literally down but down in the way Huddersfield and Fulham were clearly down. While I would also expect Sheffield Utd to be relegated and Norwich to be in the mix, don't forget that people were saying similar things about Cardiff, and while they were relegated, it did go down to the final couple of weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 While I would also expect Sheffield Utd to be relegated and Norwich to be in the mix, don't forget that people were saying similar things about Cardiff, and while they were relegated, it did go down to the final couple of weekends. That was mostly due to our gifting them all six points. Two draws and they would have been cast adrift much earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/another-day-of-wolves-lille-talks-for-boubakary-soumare/ Wolves after another central midfielder apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/another-day-of-wolves-lille-talks-for-boubakary-soumare/ Wolves after another central midfielder apparently... Lemina is like a human smoke-screen for clubs this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 So Wolves want Lemina for a year whilst the player they really want remains in France for a year after they sign him. Absolutely no chance they play Lemina enough to actually be forced to sign him when they've got a £35m player coming in next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philly Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Same source as before. Personal terms agreed, waiting on clubs to agree deal, Saints standing firm on a decent deal. Expect progress tomorrow as neither wants to go into final day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 Same source as before. Personal terms agreed, waiting on clubs to agree deal, Saints standing firm on a decent deal. Expect progress tomorrow as neither wants to go into final day. I’d take a lower fee if it gets him out permanently. Obligation after 30 games doesn’t do us any favours (unless he looks amazing for them). Not sure Nuno will put up with his bad games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 6 August, 2019 Share Posted 6 August, 2019 So Wolves want Lemina for a year whilst the player they really want remains in France for a year after they sign him. Absolutely no chance they play Lemina enough to actually be forced to sign him when they've got a £35m player coming in next summer.They'll be raided for Neves soon enough, and Moutinho isn't getting any younger. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 They'll be raided for Neves soon enough, and Moutinho isn't getting any younger. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk And Wolves were very lucky with injuries last season. Mario will change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 Where now Mario, now even Wolves have moved on??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/another-day-of-wolves-lille-talks-for-boubakary-soumare/ Wolves after another central midfielder apparently... 40 million Euros for a player out of contract in 12 months time AND they are loaning him back, that is some deal. They can literally wait 6 months and offer him terms to sign for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 have to say Lemina has played this poorly It isn't even like we are asking for the world with him in terms of asking price yet he remains sidelined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 Where now Mario, now even Wolves have moved on??? He'll need to back down, apologise, and come back raring to go. Unfortunately, and I don't want to say this in a disparaging way, but generally the Sub Saharan way is to earn as much as you can, chasing the paychecks. It's the culture they're brought up with when the talent is obviously there. This leads to situations like this - the only reason Mane didn't go mental was that we promised him a move the following Summer with a minimum set price we'd take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 Where now Mario, now even Wolves have moved on??? No point in loaning him out without an obligation to buy. Any loan fee would unlikely cover the drop in value given he’d only have 2 years left on his contract next summer. Big issue is reintegrating him into the squad after all his childish antics on Insta. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 No point in loaning him out without an obligation to buy. Any loan fee would unlikely cover the drop in value given he’d only have 2 years left on his contract next summer. An obligation to buy at a set fee negates that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 No point in loaning him out without an obligation to buy. Any loan fee would unlikely cover the drop in value given he’d only have 2 years left on his contract next summer. Big issue is reintegrating him into the squad after all his childish antics on Insta. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Serious question - what childish antics? And unless he’s disrespectful do players take any notice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadam Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 We need him to stay if we don’t get anyone else in. Almost every time he plays I think he stand out as one of the best players on the pitch. Yes he had a few stinkers but if he can stay fit he’s a real asset. He should be motivated to earn himself a bigger move next summer instead of going sideways now. He’s current record wasn’t enough to attract the biggest clubs which he should be well aware off by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 7 August, 2019 Share Posted 7 August, 2019 No point in loaning him out without an obligation to buy. Any loan fee would unlikely cover the drop in value given he’d only have 2 years left on his contract next summer. Big issue is reintegrating him into the squad after all his childish antics on Insta. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What antics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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