Vancouver Saint Posted 29 March, 2019 Share Posted 29 March, 2019 Accept your point Mosin - and acknowledge that players coming back after such a long absence tend to be rusty and not match fit. My point is more for the longer -term, not the next match - as meatball post#100 above suggests. Lemina is a more natural creative midfielder than Hoj, JWP and certainly Romeu IMO...he has natural attacking instinct and creative flair to beat his man in midfield and play the ball forward, not sideways or backwards. Properly fit and under RH I think he could be pivotal to our future as one of, if not the best player we have in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint97 Posted 29 March, 2019 Share Posted 29 March, 2019 Still think Lemina is our best cm and makes us a bit more exciting to watch as he transitions defence to attack quickly. Adds much needed pace to the side. Don't see a need for Romeu in the XI if we're playing 3 cb's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 March, 2019 Share Posted 29 March, 2019 Still think Lemina is our best cm and makes us a bit more exciting to watch as he transitions defence to attack quickly. Adds much needed pace to the side. Don't see a need for Romeu in the XI if we're playing 3 cb's. I think there's always room for a proper DM. That back 3 needs shielding, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 29 March, 2019 Share Posted 29 March, 2019 Accept your point Mosin - and acknowledge that players coming back after such a long absence tend to be rusty and not match fit. My point is more for the longer -term, not the next match - as meatball post#100 above suggests. Lemina is a more natural creative midfielder than Hoj, JWP and certainly Romeu IMO...he has natural attacking instinct and creative flair to beat his man in midfield and play the ball forward, not sideways or backwards. Properly fit and under RH I think he could be pivotal to our future as one of, if not the best player we have in the squad. No way does Lemina offer more going forward than JWP or HOJ, none of them offer as much protection than OR to the back line either. Lemina is not as good as the players currently starting a head of him, even if he can dribble and run faster.. the others are better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 March, 2019 Share Posted 29 March, 2019 This seems to be a rare occasion when a player's absence isn't leading to everyone thinking he's miles better than he is. FWIW I'd pick pretty much anyone over that overrated clunk-beast Hojbjerg, but Lemina has been WAY too erratic and it's been about 18 months since both he and Saints were good in the same match (he was MoM for us at Cardiff but the rest of the team wasn't up to much). I think I'd probably stick Armstrong in there with Romeu and Ward-Prowse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatball Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Accept your point Mosin - and acknowledge that players coming back after such a long absence tend to be rusty and not match fit. My point is more for the longer -term, not the next match - as meatball post#100 above suggests. Lemina is a more natural creative midfielder than Hoj, JWP and certainly Romeu IMO...he has natural attacking instinct and creative flair to beat his man in midfield and play the ball forward, not sideways or backwards. Properly fit and under RH I think he could be pivotal to our future as one of, if not the best player we have in the squad. For clarity, I wasn’t suggesting that we play Lemina in the next match, I was pointing out the foolishness of effectively writing Lemina off based on his collective performances to date, when the improved performances of many of our players under Ralph would suggest that Lemina could well be a great player who has merely been hindered by poor managers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 From today's pre-match press conference.... Hasenhuttl: "Lemina.... it's a pity he's not back in training again because he has still problems this week... so he made a little bit more rest this week" Hope we kept the receipt for that 'minor surgery' he had yonks ago..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 From today's pre-match press conference.... Hasenhuttl: "Lemina.... it's a pity he's not back in training again because he has still problems this week... so he made a little bit more rest this week" Hope we kept the receipt for that 'minor surgery' he had yonks ago..... Crikey. What a 'mare he's had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 Crikey. What a 'mare he's had. It's a good job I'm not a cynic or a conspiracy theorist, otherwise I might be inclined to play my "perhaps we're holding him back to avoid triggering a significant appearance payment clause in his contract" card.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 It's a good job I'm not a cynic or a conspiracy theorist, otherwise I might be inclined to play my "perhaps we're holding him back to avoid triggering a significant appearance payment clause in his contract" card.... You think that's it? It's either that, or he's made of biscuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 From today's pre-match press conference.... Hasenhuttl: "Lemina.... it's a pity he's not back in training again because he has still problems this week... so he made a little bit more rest this week" Hope we kept the receipt for that 'minor surgery' he had yonks ago..... If you look at his career stats, that's what he's had at every club he's ever been. He's always had bad backs, stomach aches, sore throats etc and never played much football. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mario-lemina/leistungsdaten/spieler/170934/plus/0?saison=2016 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mario-lemina/leistungsdaten/spieler/170934/plus/0?saison=2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 A little bit extra from Ralph: It’s a pity that Mario Lemina is not back in training again because he still has problems this week so he needed more rest. We are trying to bring him back to the right level step by step but it isn’t easy when he has had such a long time without playing. We will definitely see him again before the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 it isn’t easy when he has had such a long time without playing Yes, he's managed to get through most of his career without playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 Seems to be quite injury free when it comes to running up to the wages counter. What a waster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 Seems to be quite injury free when it comes to running up to the wages counter. What a waster The what, now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 A little bit extra from Ralph: Makes me wonder a bit, could this be a Clyne type situation. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 The what, now?He gets his weekly pay in a little wage packet like a 1950s coal miner you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 4 April, 2019 Share Posted 4 April, 2019 Makes me wonder a bit, could this be a Clyne type situation. Hmm. From out of nowhere the other day I heard it’s not an isolated case, if I’m on your track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 7 April, 2019 Share Posted 7 April, 2019 Doesn’t look injured here https://www.instagram.com/stories/lemsm13/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 April, 2019 Share Posted 7 April, 2019 Doesn’t look injured here https://www.instagram.com/stories/lemsm13/He didn't took injured in some training photos over the last few weeks either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 7 April, 2019 Share Posted 7 April, 2019 RH said he had suffered a bit in training. There is a difference between being able to do normal everyday physical activity versus playing PL football. We all saw he had an injury. It was operated on. He came back to training. He had a minor setback. It happens all the time. It happened recently with Bertrand. Why the conspiract theories with Lemina?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 8 April, 2019 Share Posted 8 April, 2019 There is no conspiracy theory: he's just played very few games of football throughout his entire career. That's just the way it is. "We will see him again this year" That gives him until December then. He'll never compare to the great Carlos Kaiser though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Kaiser_(footballer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 April, 2019 Share Posted 11 April, 2019 Ralph says he's still not training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 11 April, 2019 Share Posted 11 April, 2019 RH said he had suffered a bit in training. There is a difference between being able to do normal everyday physical activity versus playing PL football. We all saw he had an injury. It was operated on. He came back to training. He had a minor setback. It happens all the time. It happened recently with Bertrand. Why the conspiract theories with Lemina?! because he has form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 11 April, 2019 Share Posted 11 April, 2019 Doubt we'll see him in a Saints shirt ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 11 April, 2019 Share Posted 11 April, 2019 Another appalling waste of money unfortunately to add to the list. Showed some promise but has contributed nowhere near enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 April, 2019 Share Posted 11 April, 2019 Doubt we'll see him in a Saints shirt ever again. Becoming obvious we won't see him again this season at least. I don't understand why someone at the press conference doesn't follow up and quiz Ralph about it. Ralph is usually very open, can only assume there is some sort of embargo. The old excuse that it gives opponents information is no longer valid when we only have 6 games left. No one ever asks about Sam McQueen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 11 April, 2019 Share Posted 11 April, 2019 Becoming obvious we won't see him again this season at least. I don't understand why someone at the press conference doesn't follow up and quiz Ralph about it. Ralph is usually very open, can only assume there is some sort of embargo. The old excuse that it gives opponents information is no longer valid when we only have 6 games left. No one ever asks about Sam McQueen either. Sam is out for the season with a ruptured Acl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Becoming obvious we won't see him again this season at least. I don't understand why someone at the press conference doesn't follow up and quiz Ralph about it. Ralph is usually very open, can only assume there is some sort of embargo. The old excuse that it gives opponents information is no longer valid when we only have 6 games left. No one ever asks about Sam McQueen either. I thought he was out on loan somewhere like Middlesbrough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 I thought he was out on loan somewhere like Middlesbrough?https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/17197697.southamptons-sam-mcqueen-has-ruptured-his-acl/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Becoming obvious we won't see him again this season at least. I don't understand why someone at the press conference doesn't follow up and quiz Ralph about it. Ralph is usually very open, can only assume there is some sort of embargo. The old excuse that it gives opponents information is no longer valid when we only have 6 games left. No one ever asks about Sam McQueen either. Because by and large those journalists are useless, and the club probably has short shrift for those that ask difficult questions. Same in the White House! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Really good player but turning into a colossal waste of money. Doesn’t walk into the team now either. Expect him to be sold in the summer if we get a half decent bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Sam is out for the season with a ruptured Acl Yes he is, how is his recovery going? Is he actually back at Southampton, seems unlikely he would stay at Boro where he was on loan. Was the loan cancelled? The lad seems to have disappeared/been forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Really good player but turning into a colossal waste of money. Doesn’t walk into the team now either. Expect him to be sold in the summer if we get a half decent bid. Is it wrong for me to suspect he's just collecting his wages this year, using us for rehab and will be off to Liverpool in the summer? Call me cynical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Is it wrong for me to suspect he's just collecting his wages this year, using us for rehab and will be off to Liverpool in the summer? Call me cynical If that Keita bloke cost them £48m, I'd want at least £50m for Lemina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Just watch him be one of the players of the year for someone else next year when his injury miraculously heals. Possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Really good player but turning into a colossal waste of money. Doesn’t walk into the team now either. Expect him to be sold in the summer if we get a half decent bid. Tend to agree. Top, top player, but just not value for money, due to injuries. We've gotten by without him this season, so perhaps if a decent bid comes in the sensible thing to do would be to offload and reinvest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Is it wrong for me to suspect he's just collecting his wages this year, using us for rehab and will be off to Liverpool in the summer? Call me cynical I don't know about cynical but you are certainly dreaming if you think Liverpool would take him off our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Is it wrong for me to suspect he's just collecting his wages this year, using us for rehab and will be off to Liverpool in the summer? Call me cynical Can’t see Liverpool taking him. Back abroad probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 12 April, 2019 Share Posted 12 April, 2019 Yes he is, how is his recovery going? Is he actually back at Southampton, seems unlikely he would stay at Boro where he was on loan. Was the loan cancelled? The lad seems to have disappeared/been forgotten. Seems like he'll miss some of pre season so won't be properly match fit for ages still. They talked about him on the last podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 He’s not a top player. He is a midfielder with no stamina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 There is no conspiracy theory: he's just played very few games of football throughout his entire career. That's just the way it is. There’s a bit of a difference between being kept on the bench by players like Pogba, Khedira, Marchisio, Pjanic etc. And becoming a work shy sick-note because you think you’re better than the club you’re being paid by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 He’s not a top player. He is a midfielder with no stamina.When fit he is certainly a very good player for a team of orur level. Woukd absolutely be keeping im next season. Pre RH in the few games we played well in, Lemina played a huge role. Will be good to see him play in a better Saints team than he has til now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 When fit he is certainly a very good player for a team of orur level. Woukd absolutely be keeping im next season. Pre RH in the few games we played well in, Lemina played a huge role. Will be good to see him play in a better Saints team than he has til now. I've only seen 1 game where Lemima had such a good game where I thought , Wow this is a player more often than not he goes missing and games pass him by . I wouldn't be worried if we sold him for close to what we paid for him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint97 Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 Lemina is the most talented cm at the club. Hopefully has a full pre-season and hits the ground running next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 Lemina is the most talented cm at the club. Hopefully has a full pre-season and hits the ground running next season Talented doesn't always mean best. Boufal is probably the most talented player at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 Lemina is the most talented cm at the club. Hopefully has a full pre-season and hits the ground running next season Talented doesn't always mean best. I agree with both of these statements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 I expect we won't see him until the pre-season now. I would get rid of Boufal and Carillo and hopefully Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 100% should look to keep him. Cant see there being many suitors in the summer given his lack of gametime this year. Can be a great player for us if fit and would suit Ralphs system no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 April, 2019 Share Posted 13 April, 2019 I expect we won't see him until the pre-season now. I would get rid of Boufal and Carillo and hopefully Forster. You’d be surprised what a great antidote getting safe can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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