skintsaint Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Please excuse my ignorance here but how is it even possible for a player to make 29 passes while only managing 24 touches? Thats how good Lemina is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Please excuse my ignorance here but how is it even possible for a player to make 29 passes while only managing 24 touches? yeah you are right tbh, I was looking at the Opta bit where you click on a player and their stats come up- was detailing those- but it is obviously faulty!!! also it (or me!!!) didn't account for the fact that Lemina only played 45 minutes too! maybe he did have a good game anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 I thought someone said that he's playing through an injury at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Ralph confirmed he still had stomach problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Ralph confirmed he still had stomach problem Ta. Might explain a sub-par performance, that I seemingly have misinterpreted as being overly lackadaisical. Which I guess leads to the question of why start him in the first place? Armstrong might have fitted in somewhere, or Steven Davis if a more defensive midfielder was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteleySaint30 Posted 30 December, 2018 Share Posted 30 December, 2018 Lazy *****, too big for his boots. Goodbye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 31 December, 2018 Share Posted 31 December, 2018 He comes across as having delusions of being the next Pogba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 31 December, 2018 Share Posted 31 December, 2018 I used to think he could develop into a good player for us. Certainly not happened in last 2 games. Hopefully a result of not being fully fit but I suspect may just be that he is another average player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 31 December, 2018 Share Posted 31 December, 2018 Such a frustrating player. When he’s in the mood, he’s brilliant. Probably our best player. But that mood is once in every 8/10 games. He has a very high opinion of himself and clearly rates himself as much better than SFC. Just look at the videos he posts on social media. Clips of just himself playing. I think he thinks he can coast here and get a big move. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 I think we're starting to see why he's fallen flat at so many clubs. Attribute wise he has plenty, good skill, power, pace. His application is absolutely shocking though and I think that's in his makeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 I think we're starting to see why he's fallen flat at so many clubs. Attribute wise he has plenty, good skill, power, pace. His application is absolutely shocking though and I think that's in his makeup.By so many clubs do you mean just Juventus? Also, widely said by the Manager that he has been carrying an injury for the last two games, the ones he has been poor in. We have far bigger problems than Lemina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 By so many clubs do you mean just Juventus? Also, widely said by the Manager that he has been carrying an injury for the last two games, the ones he has been poor in. We have far bigger problems than Lemina. Didn't really happen for him at Marseille, never seemed to hold down a place. Didn't have a huge amount of game time at Lorient before that either, but granted he was young then. He's struggled to hold down a place at any of his clubs so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 I don't really get this slagging off of Lemina. Granted he has been quite poor the last couple of games but doesn't look to me like a lack of effort, plus he has been one of our best players this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Don't get why managers play injured or half fit players. Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10i Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Lemina is maybe our most talented Player and he had a couple of brilliant games this season. You probably can't say that of any of too much other Players right now... Some People seem to vermy much prefer effort over any Kind of skill, but what would you do with a Team full of Shane Longs? People with skill are the ones who have to take some risks to create chances and Goals - and they of Course don't always come off. But as it was with Tadic, who in the end was the one who kept us up, we Need someone who is able to do more than just running... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Lemina is maybe our most talented Player and he had a couple of brilliant games this season. You probably can't say that of any of too much other Players right now... Some People seem to vermy much prefer effort over any Kind of skill, but what would you do with a Team full of Shane Longs? People with skill are the ones who have to take some risks to create chances and Goals - and they of Course don't always come off. But as it was with Tadic, who in the end was the one who kept us up, we Need someone who is able to do more than just running... 100% This. Same reason why players like Boufal don't get given half the time someone like Long does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Lemina is maybe our most talented Player and he had a couple of brilliant games this season. You probably can't say that of any of too much other Players right now... Some People seem to vermy much prefer effort over any Kind of skill, but what would you do with a Team full of Shane Longs? People with skill are the ones who have to take some risks to create chances and Goals - and they of Course don't always come off. But as it was with Tadic, who in the end was the one who kept us up, we Need someone who is able to do more than just running... I think you misunderstand. It is the seemingly lackadaisical approach that is the problem. I put seemingly in bold as am prepared to eat humble pie if there is an injury instead of it being lackadaisical. But my mind also goes back to games such as vs Chelsea at Wembley when there was no injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 100% This. Same reason why players like Boufal don't get given half the time someone like Long does. Do you post ballocks the whole time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Do you post ballocks the whole time? They don't thou, Players like JWP, Long and other try hards get so much more time than anyone who is perceived as lazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 They don't thou, Players like JWP, Long and other try hards get so much more time than anyone who is perceived as lazy I'll give your bait a little nibble. Players like JWP, who you would still have a hard on for knocking even if he scored a hatrick, are prepared to do the mucky jobs that need doing during a game, that's why they get more time, because doing those jobs should free up time for players like Lemina to do all the razzle dazzle - and thus far Lemina certainly hasn't set the pitch alight aside from the odd bit of fancy footwork. Whether his stomach injury is the reason for him repeatedly not running after the balls to be won on Sunday who knows...... no one in the ground was wiping tears of disappointment from their eyes when he didn't come out for the second half. As Lawrie McMenemy always said a good team is made up of Violinists and Roadsweepers, Lemina fits into the former but we ain't getting the tune out of him we should be by now. A player like Boufal would probably fit in to Ralphs regime as he does have that forward drive and skill at pace and under MoPe he was suddenly prepared to roll up his sleeves and defend well. Just need to get a handle on his mentality - which I would imagine Hughes couldn't be bothered to do which is why he was shipped out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 I'll give your bait a little nibble. Players like JWP, who you would still have a hard on for knocking even if he scored a hatrick, are prepared to do the mucky jobs that need doing during a game, that's why they get more time, because doing those jobs should free up time for players like Lemina to do all the razzle dazzle - and thus far Lemina certainly hasn't set the pitch alight aside from the odd bit of fancy footwork. Whether his stomach injury is the reason for him repeatedly not running after the balls to be won on Sunday who knows...... no one in the ground was wiping tears of disappointment from their eyes when he didn't come out for the second half. As Lawrie McMenemy always said a good team is made up of Violinists and Roadsweepers, Lemina fits into the former but we ain't getting the tune out of him we should be by now. A player like Boufal would probably fit in to Ralphs regime as he does have that forward drive and skill at pace and under MoPe he was suddenly prepared to roll up his sleeves and defend well. Just need to get a handle on his mentality - which I would imagine Hughes couldn't be bothered to do which is why he was shipped out on loan. Well of course you need a side of a mixture of players. Hojberg/Romeu are much more effective than JWP/Long at Road Sweeping, and Lemina/Armstrong/Boufal are more effective than JWP/Long at playing the fiddle. But sadly because JWP/Long try hard, kiss the badge and/or come from the academy they are given much more slack than a foreign player that loses the ball and is willing to try and beat his man more often. It's utter nonsense really. Anyway Boufal isn't the answer and has had his chance. I'd rather flog Long and JWP and get something better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Well of course you need a side of a mixture of players. Hojberg/Romeu are much more effective than JWP/Long at Road Sweeping, and Lemina/Armstrong/Boufal are more effective than JWP/Long at playing the fiddle. But sadly because JWP/Long try hard, kiss the badge and/or come from the academy they are given much more slack than a foreign player that loses the ball and is willing to try and beat his man more often. It's utter nonsense really. Anyway Boufal isn't the answer and has had his chance. I'd rather flog Long and JWP and get something better. Has he really though? He never got any kind of run in the team under Puel due to being injured when we signed him. And then with Pellegrino's ultra-defensive tactics he was never really allowed off his leash in the games he did play. He was then shipped out because he fell out with Hughes, who seems to have made a life-long habit of rubbing people up the wrong way anyway. I firmly believe he would be a lot more effective in Ralph's system than he was ever able to show under previous managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Has he really though? He never got any kind of run in the team under Puel due to being injured when we signed him. And then with Pellegrino's ultra-defensive tactics he was never really allowed off his leash in the games he did play. He was then shipped out because he fell out with Hughes, who seems to have made a life-long habit of rubbing people up the wrong way anyway. I firmly believe he would be a lot more effective in Ralph's system than he was ever able to show under previous managers. Sorry my "had his chance" thing was sarcastic. I'd love Boufal to come back and be given a chance, yeah he gives the ball away and does the odd trick when not needed, but do we honestly have a player like him? I'd rather have him come off the bench in a 0 v 0 than JWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Lemina is incredibly talented but seems mentally weak. Against City, he only looked really up for it (e.g. driving forward at pace, taking players on, covering more ground quickly, quicker & more positive and creative passing) when we equalised. Before our goal and after City's second, when it felt like we were in for a tough game, he couldn't motivate himself to the same level as when things looked more positive. It has been the same in other games; when things look tough, he goes missing. When we're on top, he looks like he's too good for us. He has no fight in him at all and cannot lift a team or influence the teams performance. Even Boufal, who you can criticise for many things, would try something when we needed a spark. He'd try and get the ball forward, or take players on, or try tricky shots from distance, just to spark something into life. It might not have worked and he might have been kicked off the ball easy, but rarely could you say he didn't try to change things when we needed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Is he still ill/carrying an injury, as presume he will be the natural partner with Rom for this evening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Is he still ill/carrying an injury, as presume he will be the natural partner with Rom for this evening? still carrying a tummy injury from Cardiff game apparently..... cant think of the injury to keep him out for 3 weeks but allow him to play full 90 min at West ham, only 45 min at City and bench / not in team today.. Must be very serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Has he really though? He never got any kind of run in the team under Puel due to being injured when we signed him. And then with Pellegrino's ultra-defensive tactics he was never really allowed off his leash in the games he did play. He was then shipped out because he fell out with Hughes, who seems to have made a life-long habit of rubbing people up the wrong way anyway. I firmly believe he would be a lot more effective in Ralph's system than he was ever able to show under previous managers. We had all this nonsense with Gaston until we finally got rid. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 4 January, 2019 Share Posted 4 January, 2019 https://readsouthampton.com/2019/01/04/lemina-reiterates-his-commitment-to-southampton/ He quite clearly cares about the club so very happy about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 4 January, 2019 Share Posted 4 January, 2019 Words sound good so all he has to do is show it on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 4 January, 2019 Share Posted 4 January, 2019 Actions speak louder than words. Time to up your game Leminstagram Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 4 January, 2019 Share Posted 4 January, 2019 He could be as good as Wanyama in the middle of the pitch, I've seen as much. Definitley one I'd want to persevere with. Good management required! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 4 January, 2019 Share Posted 4 January, 2019 Hopefully he can get fully fit as he has had spells of playing extremely well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 January, 2019 Share Posted 5 January, 2019 Still think he is the most talented footballer in the squad but talent isn't any good without hard work and commitment on the pitch to and Lemina doesn't always seem to bring the latter. I have the same issue with Bertrand I know he is a good player but some of his performances the last few seasons have very much been a guy just going through the motions. At least Ralph seems to be prepared to drop players not putting in a shift so hopefully the talented players in the squad realise they have to work hard or not play regardless of how good they think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 January, 2019 Share Posted 5 January, 2019 https://readsouthampton.com/2019/01/04/lemina-reiterates-his-commitment-to-southampton/ He quite clearly cares about the club so very happy about this 85% on that pole have said he should stay at Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 5 January, 2019 Share Posted 5 January, 2019 Lemina is a very good midfielder. Enjoy him while he's still a Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Stomach injury...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Stomach injury...? Whatever it is has needed fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Stomach injury...? He is very broken. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 His stomac is in his right leg, no wonder he’s been struggling ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Ah, hope it's not too bad. Reminds me of a few years back when Lallana went missing injured for months and the club/Poch said next to nothing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 That's just fashion. All the youth are wearing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon3737 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 His stomac is in his right leg, no wonder he’s been struggling ffs I blame Eric Black! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 I remember when David Hirst got a knee injury because his liver was growing down his leg, so it could be connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 29 January, 2019 Share Posted 29 January, 2019 Recovering from an operation for his abdominal injury . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 Ralph says op went well. Could start training again in 1-2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 31 January, 2019 Share Posted 31 January, 2019 Ralph says op went well. Could start training again in 1-2 weeks. Great news, can't wait to have Mario back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnet Posted 26 February, 2019 Share Posted 26 February, 2019 Ralph says "Mario Lemina is training by himself in a controlled workload and we will have a look at him." Not sure to read anything into that or not. Generally training alone tends to mean he's been a naughty boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 26 February, 2019 Share Posted 26 February, 2019 Ralph says "Mario Lemina is training by himself in a controlled workload and we will have a look at him." Not sure to read anything into that or not. Generally training alone tends to mean he's been a naughty boy. No it means they are trying to get him back to full fitness carefully, the controlled workload bit is the clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 February, 2019 Share Posted 26 February, 2019 Ralph says "Mario Lemina is training by himself in a controlled workload and we will have a look at him." Not sure to read anything into that or not. Generally training alone tends to mean he's been a naughty boy. He's not the messiah (and not sure anyone has claimed he is either to be fair). Life of Brian reference for younger readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 February, 2019 Share Posted 26 February, 2019 Been out a long time now, not expecting him to play for us again tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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