shurlock Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Didn’t train yesterday. Assume he was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 And that's the key phrase. West Ham are not, in reality, a bigger club than us. Only in their own imaginations. If he does well for us, he may get a move to a Champions League club next season. But if he goes to West Ham, he will be just a squad player on huge money. We shouldn't underestimate the draw of London and a decent manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 I only see him moving if we specifically need the money for another couple of players. (I say a couple because we'd need to replace him as well). As Garrett said above, I don't really see WHU having the cash after their recent splurge. Of course West Ham have plenty of cash - they've got their massive (basically) free public funded stadium boosting their matchday incomes. Dont even need to pay for the extra police to keep their basic fans in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 And that's the key phrase. West Ham are not, in reality, a bigger club than us. Only in their own imaginations. If he does well for us, he may get a move to a Champions League club next season. But if he goes to West Ham, he will be just a squad player on huge money. Much that it pains me to say so but West Ham are a significantly bigger club than us by more or less every measure With regard to Lemina, on his day he looks a top class player. Unfortunately these days are not consistent and he sometimes slips below average and falls into the 'luxury' category. I thought he was more suited playing further forward but that personal assessment is for another day I would be disappointed to see him go but if the money was good and we could replace him adequately then no biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Much that it pains me to say so but West Ham are a significantly bigger club than us by more or less every measure With regard to Lemina, on his day he looks a top class player. Unfortunately these days are not consistent and he sometimes slips below average and falls into the 'luxury' category. I thought he was more suited playing further forward but that personal assessment is for another day I would be disappointed to see him go but if the money was good and we could replace him adequately then no biggie. I don't see why. We've finished above them in 5 of the last 7 seasons and they were only narrowly in front in the other 2. They chuck their money around recklessly, giving the illusion of being bigger than they are but in reality they haven't picked up better players than us, or achieved more success. They've had one cup final in nearly 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 If you had the choice now you'd probably pick West Ham...richer, bigger club, bigger stadium, more potential short term, building something with a decent manager and not afraid to spend some money, but surely they wouldn't be able to afford him just by FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 If you had the choice now you'd probably pick West Ham...richer, bigger club, bigger stadium, more potential short term, building something with a decent manager and not afraid to spend some money, but surely they wouldn't be able to afford him just by FFP. 1. They would only care if they're getting more money. 2. 'Bigger club' is ambiguous and completely meaningless these days. Brighton are signing better players than Leeds, Forest, Wednesday and Villa. 3. Bigger stadium - SJP is bigger than Stamford Bridge. Do you think anyone gives a sh*t? 4. No idea what short term potential they have which we don't. We're both coming off the back of a very poor season. 5. We've spent money to try and improve too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 I don't see why. We've finished above them in 5 of the last 7 seasons and they were only narrowly in front in the other 2. They chuck their money around recklessly, giving the illusion of being bigger than they are but in reality they haven't picked up better players than us, or achieved more success. They've had one cup final in nearly 40 years. They won the World Cup and they've got a "way". Fact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 They also won the open on Sunday as well apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBizzier69 Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 I just hate that club, almost as much as the bin dippers. Idiot, chav-esque owners (and offspring), delusions of grandeur, pathetic club song, cockney rhyming slang kn*b jockeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 If you had the choice now you'd probably pick West Ham...richer, bigger club, bigger stadium, more potential short term, building something with a decent manager and not afraid to spend some money, but surely they wouldn't be able to afford him just by FFP. and the chance to be attacked by your own fans in a completely unpoliced stadium if you have a couple of bad results on the trot … lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 24 July, 2018 Author Share Posted 24 July, 2018 We sold them our captain, would not surprise me if we sold them our best player too In terms of current appeal WHU probably win, we are a "small club" don't forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Much that it pains me to say so but West Ham are a significantly bigger club than us by more or less every measure Who has the bigger ground? We do. They don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Unfortunately the days when we were the best of the rest - outside of the big six - and big ambitions and ambitious owners and directors are long gone. Lets not forget we finished 4th from bottom last season and that wasn't just by accident or bad luck - a lot of bad decisions on player recruitment, player contracts and manages have got us here - and its probably a fair reflection of where we are right now. West Ham have a much bigger stadium, a slightly bigger support, the London draw, probably a slightly higher revenue - but most importantly much more ambitious owners with money who are willing too spend it. As do Everton and Leicester. Right now they are all 'bigger clubs' than us if players want to play in Europe or win something. I don't mind selling Lemina if we can get good money for him, create some space on the wage bill and replace him with someone with a bit more commitment on the pitch. I'd take Loftus-Cheek on loan. I have a feeling we were expecting him to go this summer which is why we were supposedly interested in players like Uribe. Maybe we will take another look at Stefano Sturaro. Although I wouldn't be surprised if we announce Armstrong is his replacement- and forget quietl about replacing Boufal - that has Reed and Saints written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 We sold them our captain, would not surprise me if we sold them our best player too In terms of current appeal WHU probably win, we are a "small club" don't forget. You can’t watch too many Saints games is you think he is our best player. Crikey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 You can’t watch too many Saints games is you think he is our best player. Crikey... He seems to run hot and cold. Had some awful moments away to West Ham and Newcastle, but was fantastic away at West Brom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 I prefer the days when we only fed the top 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 'Bigger club' is just playground nonsense IMO, it is meaningless in modern football. It's wages you pay, what league you play in (+ Europe) and whether you might things. Hence why we signed a main starting centre back from BMG, who finished 9th last season, were in the Champs league the year before and play in front of 50k every week. Premier League draw + more money in wages + TV money to pay big fees as if they are nothing. Ajax are one of the most successful clubs of all time, are famous across the world, play Champs League pretty much every season but I am pretty sure we could buy any of their players if we wanted because - 1. £20 million or whatever is huge income for them. 2. We can pay a player like £60 - 70k a week and they can't 3. Players want to play in the PL, largely because of 2 and because they might, if they play well get a move to a Chelsea/Utd/City etc. and earn £150k a week. That is the reality of modern football, especially PL football these days. Big fanbases and famous history means very little, just look at Leeds or Forest. If Lemina was to go to West Ham it is because they would pay him over a £100k a week and we wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 West Ham would need to front up the sort of fee that chap leaving Watford for Everton is set at.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 If you think we're selling Lemina to WHU, or even think that there is anything in the story, then you're a fu_cking idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 You can’t watch too many Saints games is you think he is our best player. Crikey... He probably put in the best two individual performances from any Southampton player last season (Palace A & West Brom A). Of course two swallows don't make a summer, but it at least demonstrates some ability and potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 He would be a top class player if he would stop losing the ball or passing it awry on the edge of the penalty area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 24 July, 2018 Author Share Posted 24 July, 2018 You can’t watch too many Saints games is you think he is our best player. Crikey... Who would you nominate just now? Top 3 players at SFC just now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Doubt we would sell Lemina now because there is no logic. When on form he makes a huge, huge difference to the team as has attributes none of our other midfielders have. If we sell, we would be massively harming ourselves and needing to sign a replica player which would cost a lot. Besides, if he has a more consistent season than last year when he was still settling in, he will be worth double next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Who would you nominate just now? Top 3 players at SFC just now? That’s tough question Bertrand McCarthy and lemina are probably the 3 players I would look to take from saints if I was managing another team in the prem (excluding the top 6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 24 July, 2018 Author Share Posted 24 July, 2018 That’s tough question Bertrand McCarthy and lemina are probably the 3 players I would look to take from saints if I was managing another team in the prem (excluding the top 6) Bertrand and Lemina the stand outs for me just now. I like McCarthy but won't get carried away just yet. Seen alot of keepers look decent when the goal is being peppered. David Marshall, Júlio César, Guzan and even Mannone looked v good in struggling sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Bertrand and Lemina the stand outs for me just now. I like McCarthy but won't get carried away just yet. Seen alot of keepers look decent when the goal is being peppered. David Marshall, Júlio César, Guzan and even Mannone looked v good in struggling sides True dat. I prefer this version of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Julio Cesar didn't look close to being any good at any point during his QPR stint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 On paper, Elyounoussi is in our top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 24 July, 2018 Author Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Julio Cesar didn't look close to being any good at any point during his QPR stint. https://youtu.be/Xu2CtlP_nNE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Bertrand and Lemina the stand outs for me just now. I like McCarthy but won't get carried away just yet. Seen alot of keepers look decent when the goal is being peppered. David Marshall, Júlio César, Guzan and even Mannone looked v good in struggling sides Fair comment but like I said it’s tough question. Number 3 if not mcarthy then who? Probably sums up how bang average our squad is right now. Obvs the new guys are to new to really judge. I guess we need Hughes to coach some of them into top players again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 24 July, 2018 Share Posted 24 July, 2018 Bertrand and Lemina the stand outs for me just now. I like McCarthy but won't get carried away just yet. Seen alot of keepers look decent when the goal is being peppered. David Marshall, Júlio César, Guzan and even Mannone looked v good in struggling sides To look at it from the other way around, Forster looked good when we had a solid back four... It's the defence, specifically the centre backs, that are the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 July, 2018 Share Posted 25 July, 2018 To look at it from the other way around, Forster looked good when we had a solid back four... It's the defence, specifically the centre backs, that are the issue.Cedric is not the man I'd want defending a back post header either, and our midfield is too slow and lightweight. We don't keep the ball or offer enough threat to put teams on the back foot. In short, the whole team creates defensive issues that a keeper can't always cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 25 July, 2018 Share Posted 25 July, 2018 Bertrand and Lemina the stand outs for me just now. I like McCarthy but won't get carried away just yet. Seen alot of keepers look decent when the goal is being peppered. David Marshall, Júlio César, Guzan and even Mannone looked v good in struggling sides How are they supposed to "look good" if they are not saving any shots.... dear oh dear you are an idiot. Mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 25 July, 2018 Share Posted 25 July, 2018 So West Ham Looking to offload Kouyate and Obiang at the moment...they’ll be bringing in another CM if true, hopefully that’s not Lemina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 25 July, 2018 Share Posted 25 July, 2018 So West Ham Looking to offload Kouyate and Obiang at the moment...they’ll be bringing in another CM if true, hopefully that’s not Leminahttps://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/24/do-report-west-ham-want-southamptons-mario-lemina-as-pedro-obian/ Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2018 Share Posted 25 July, 2018 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/07/24/do-report-west-ham-want-southamptons-mario-lemina-as-pedro-obian/ Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk The last page of this thread has been discussing that since yesterday when the story appeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 25 July, 2018 Share Posted 25 July, 2018 The last page of this thread has been discussing that since yesterday when the story appeared. I apologise profusely. I shall withdraw graciously. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 27 July, 2018 Share Posted 27 July, 2018 Lemina’s back in training, based on today’s training pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 £25m offer from West ham apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 £25m offer from West ham apparently... Looking at the fee paid by Everton for the Watford lad...I hope we laugh and send that offer back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 £25m offer from West ham apparently... Tell them to do one. Gets a lot of criticism on here but will be a top player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 Tell them to do one. Gets a lot of criticism on here but will be a top player. Oh really, when will that be then? He will have good games and atrocious games, same as he has done up until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 Looking at the fee paid by Everton for the Watford lad...I hope we laugh and send that offer back. So do I... but then I remember we accepted £10m for Tadic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 There is literally no reason we would sell Lemina, unless offered something like £50m. We have already made close to £100m from sales in the last 12 months (Jay, VVD, Tadic) or so, not like we need the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 £25m offer from West ham apparently...Unless we had a deal lined up for, say, Loftus-Cheek for a similar amount, what would be the point in even considering that? Not sure £25m gets you a decent Championship midfielder today. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrjonny Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 Went to the Dijon game today. Lemina wasn’t even sitting with the rest of the subs. On his own, chatting on the sidelines by the dressing room. I’d be absolutely shocked if he plays for the club again based on what I saw today. First time post (*waves*), but not a wind up so be gentle please! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 Went to the Dijon game today. Lemina wasn’t even sitting with the rest of the subs. On his own, chatting on the sidelines by the dressing room. I’d be absolutely shocked if he plays for the club again based on what I saw today. First time post (*waves*), but not a wind up so be gentle please! Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNot doubting that, obviously Saints haven't been what he signed up for i.e a team challenging for Europe but i.) He has been very inconsistent and ii.) He wasn't a sub today so why would he sit with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 Missed this maybe but why wasn't he involved at all today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 July, 2018 Share Posted 28 July, 2018 Missed this maybe but why wasn't he involved at all today? he is coming back from an injury only started back training a couple of days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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