Micky Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 What's the great obsession with Sammy Lee? Great with cones. Not a 'douche' - whatever that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 The most important thing is surely that we allow the new manager to pick the team around him that he trusts and is happy will be able to help him get across to the players the way he wants them to play. If that's Sammy Lee, then fine, but suspect it will be some of the guys he worked with at Alaves, which is fine by me. Judging by what some who have some inside knowledge have said on this thread, I would think it's unlikely he would choose Black, unless the club tell him he has to keep him which would not be the best way to go in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 The most important thing is surely that we allow the new manager to pick the team around him that he trusts and is happy will be able to help him get across to the players the way he wants them to play. If that's Sammy Lee, then fine, but suspect it will be some of the guys he worked with at Alaves, which is fine by me. Judging by what some who have some inside knowledge have said on this thread, I would think it's unlikely he would choose Black, unless the club tell him he has to keep him which would not be the best way to go in my opinion. A voice of reason! [emoji106] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Perhaps its just nostalgia? You think Sammy and you think good times, finishing 6th and a genuine hope we could crack the top 6 hold. You think about winning games 8 nil and 6-1 and qualifying for europe. You also think about a unified fanbase and forum. While think Black you think Puel, you think depression and defeats to Hull, WHU, Stoke, Palace, Swansea, Burnley and Sparta Prague. You think boredom lack of goals, horrendous Europa campaign and player and fan divides. Sammy = good times, party times and a family (united) forum Black = dark times, nightmares, horror and a divided forum/family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 I asked for good evidence, vague hearsay on its own isn't good evidence. Dunno, on here it's pretty much cut and dried for some, gospel even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Just to kill this dead in the water, De Boer wants Sammy Lee to stay with him at Palace and Sammy Lee agreed to stay on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Just to kill this dead in the water, De Boer wants Sammy Lee to stay with him at Palace and Sammy Lee agreed to stay on. Hands down then - the power of saintsweb doesn't extend to palace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Xavi Tamarit has a Twitter account, and is indeed following the Saints account. https://twitter.com/XTamarit/following Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Xavi Tamarit has a Twitter account, and is indeed following the Saints account. https://twitter.com/XTamarit/following Yes but is Tony Adams following it too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Looks like Black's staying Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Looks like Black's staying Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ffs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 I still maintain,however poor Puel was deemed,Black had a huge say in the style of play,team selection and tactics prior and during matches. However much he had...it was too much. He needs to go. Otherwise I'm not sure much will change,unless Pellegrino is really his own man...unlike Puel. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Can somebody please explain why Eric Black is the subject of a witch hunt on here ? Apart from his association with Puel and a few rumours knocking around, is there actually any concrete evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive with the players ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Scapegoat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Can somebody please explain why Eric Black is the subject of a witch hunt on here ? Apart from his association with Puel and a few rumours knocking around, is there actually any concrete evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive with the players ?? Because his history shows he wasn't very good. Tactically last year at home we were abysmal now perhaps Claude refused to listen. I hoped we would clear out afresh but it's not what the club do so keeping him for some continuity which is why Watson etc are contracted to club not per management team. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Puel and Black are a package. Puel out Black out.... We need a clean start, all remnants of Puels era need to be wiped clean ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicBoom Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Adam Blackmore said yesterday that Black is very popular with the players. Seems to me that the fans took against Black from pretty much his first day due to the Villa fans comments. TBF he was there at a time when they were in decline. Most seem to have decided he was only here to translate which is patently nonsense. I guess he'll leither lstay or go depending on the new managers requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 See echo is suggesting Black is staying.Was hoping Black would be off as his CV is one of specialist in failure which sends all the wrong messages imo. Hope echo is wrong or he bucks the trend he's set at previous clubs and we excel next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Black definitely had a falling our with a couple of players, so it surprises me to see that he's staying. Maybe they've made up, or maybe they're planning on moving said players on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 I guess he'll leither lstay or go I think one of those is a definite possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Isn't it his job to fall out with the players if they are not performing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Isn't it his job to fall out with the players if they are not performing? I'd say it's his (and the other coaching staff) to get the players performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Looks like Black's staying Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ffs.. I still maintain,however poor Puel was deemed,Black had a huge say in the style of play,team selection and tactics prior and during matches. However much he had...it was too much. He needs to go. Otherwise I'm not sure much will change,unless Pellegrino is really his own man...unlike Puel. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Why does anyone on here think they have a clue on what Black does/doesn't do and whether he's any good or not? Seems to me he's got a decent reputation as a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Black definitely had a falling our with a couple of players, so it surprises me to see that he's staying. Maybe they've made up, or maybe they're planning on moving said players on? Maybe it was J Rod and Fonte... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Black definitely had a falling our with a couple of players, so it surprises me to see that he's staying. Maybe they've made up, or maybe they're planning on moving said players on? If he had a definite falling out, who were they? Long defiantly had words after coming on as a sub then being subbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatball Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Puel and Black are a package. Puel out Black out.... We need a clean start, all remnants of Puels era need to be wiped clean ASAP So we should get rid of Boufal, Pied and Hojberg? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Why does anyone on here think they have a clue on what Black does/doesn't do and whether he's any good or not? Coz AR-10 said so...? https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?58323-Eric-Black-Pack-Your-Bags&p=2509323#post2509323 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Looks like Black's staying Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk This is what worries would have much prefered a clean slate with just pellegrinos own staff, can see Eric black interfering with everything & by all accounts he isn't even a good coach that can be trusted Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 This is what worries would have much prefered a clean slate with just pellegrinos own staff, can see Eric black interfering with everything & by all accounts he isn't even a good coach that can be trusted Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk What "accounts"? Let's all see what you mean. Otherwise it would appear to be your usual ******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 This is what worries would have much prefered a clean slate with just pellegrinos own staff, can see Eric black interfering with everything & by all accounts he isn't even a good coach that can be trusted Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk source... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Can somebody please explain why Eric Black is the subject of a witch hunt on here ? Apart from his association with Puel and a few rumours knocking around, is there actually any concrete evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive with the players ?? So, 11 hours after I asked for evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive, nobody knows, but some have made their minds up nevertheless ! The Saints web way, I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 So, 11 hours after I asked for evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive, nobody knows, but some have made their minds up nevertheless ! The Saints web way, I suppose Has anyone said he is unpopular and disruptive? I think most want him gone as want a full fresh start and no remnants of the Puel era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 I got the impression that the few on here that supported Puel no matter what, blamed Black for anything bad, to deflect from Claude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 I got the impression that the few on here that supported Puel no matter what, blamed Black for anything bad, to deflect from Claude. I don't recognise that at all. The Venn diagram of "People on this forum who hated Puel" and "People who hated Black" would be just a circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 I don't recognise that at all. The Venn diagram of "People on this forum who hated Puel" and "People who hated Black" would be just a circle. Being pedantic but the latter would have loads of Villa fans[emoji3] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in Den Haag Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 I know nothing about whether he was a good / bad coach or well liked / disruptive - and if you also sit in the I don't 100% trust Reed camp. Then another way to look at it is do you trust Kelvin Davis? His role for the last year was acting in a development role giving support to 1st team players and a link between dressing room and staff.. so if there were issues then I would like to think Kelvin would know and given the impression on how much the club values him I would like to think he would have been asked and Les trusts him.. just a thought but still guessing! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 My hypothesis; Black had a row with someone, just one person (no idea who, could be a player, or a member of backroom staff), that "someone" is the same someone who likes to blab to mates and then said mates spread rumours on mongwebs. In actual fact, he's probably quite pivotal and the players and club hierarchy actually like him. As I said, my hypothesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Has anyone said he is unpopular and disruptive? I think most want him gone as want a full fresh start and no remnants of the Puel era So even if he is an excellent coach, he has to go because he has been tarnished by working with Puel ? Seems to me that people want him out for no clear reason whatsoever ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Don't forget the very public touchline spat with Tadic at the end of the season which happened right in front of the Ichen Centre fans and the board, who looked far from impressed. Even Puel looked embarrassed over that incident. All is not well as far as Black is concerned and these new rumours/leaks of the "players liking him" could just be plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Don't forget the very public touchline spat with Tadic at the end of the season which happened right in front of the Ichen Centre fans and the board, who looked far from impressed. Even Puel looked embarrassed over that incident. All is not well as far as Black is concerned and these new rumours/leaks of the "players liking him" could just be plants. To be fair, Tadic is a bit of a flower though at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Don't forget the very public touchline spat with Tadic at the end of the season which happened right in front of the Ichen Centre fans and the board, who looked far from impressed. Even Puel looked embarrassed over that incident. All is not well as far as Black is concerned and these new rumours/leaks of the "players liking him" could just be plants. Was that not against Utd, when he kept delivering corners over everyone's head, then started moaning at players/staff because no-one was there? Fairly sure Stephens was having a pop at Tadic as well about his delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Don't forget the very public touchline spat with Tadic at the end of the season which happened right in front of the Ichen Centre fans and the board, who looked far from impressed. Even Puel looked embarrassed over that incident. All is not well as far as Black is concerned and these new rumours/leaks of the "players liking him" could just be plants. I don't know how you infer any of that from that incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 I don't know how you infer any of that from that incident. Because he's an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 7 July, 2017 Share Posted 7 July, 2017 Quite pleased to read that Eric Black is to remain. Sorry for those who have been complaining about him but they had no evidence on which to base their malice. It was always likely that Pellegrino would want his two coaches from Alaves and their reputation suggests we will have a good coaching team but Eric Black will contribute to that. It's a reduced role but continuity is a good reason to keep him. If it's true he is popular with the players that seems to be an achievement that Claud didn't manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 July, 2017 Share Posted 15 July, 2017 Backroom staff confirmed https://southamptonfc.com/news/2017-07-15/mauricio-pellegrino-southampton-coaching-staff-confirmed Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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