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Backroom staff, all those in favour..Hands up for Sammy Lee

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Saint Pete

Saint Pete

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The most important thing is surely that we allow the new manager to pick the team around him that he trusts and is happy will be able to help him get across to the players the way he wants them to play.

 

If that's Sammy Lee, then fine, but suspect it will be some of the guys he worked with at Alaves, which is fine by me. Judging by what some who have some inside knowledge have said on this thread, I would think it's unlikely he would choose Black, unless the club tell him he has to keep him which would not be the best way to go in my opinion.

Toadhall Saint

Toadhall Saint

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The most important thing is surely that we allow the new manager to pick the team around him that he trusts and is happy will be able to help him get across to the players the way he wants them to play.

 

If that's Sammy Lee, then fine, but suspect it will be some of the guys he worked with at Alaves, which is fine by me. Judging by what some who have some inside knowledge have said on this thread, I would think it's unlikely he would choose Black, unless the club tell him he has to keep him which would not be the best way to go in my opinion.

 

A voice of reason! [emoji106]

Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Perhaps its just nostalgia?

 

You think Sammy and you think good times, finishing 6th and a genuine hope we could crack the top 6 hold. You think about winning games 8 nil and 6-1 and qualifying for europe. You also think about a unified fanbase and forum.

 

While think Black you think Puel, you think depression and defeats to Hull, WHU, Stoke, Palace, Swansea, Burnley and Sparta Prague. You think boredom lack of goals, horrendous Europa campaign and player and fan divides.

 

Sammy = good times, party times and a family (united) forum

Black = dark times, nightmares, horror and a divided forum/family

Micky

Micky

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I asked for good evidence, vague hearsay on its own isn't good evidence.

 

Dunno, on here it's pretty much cut and dried for some, gospel even.

Toadhall Saint

Toadhall Saint

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Just to kill this dead in the water, De Boer wants Sammy Lee to stay with him at Palace and Sammy Lee agreed to stay on.

 

Hands down then - the power of saintsweb doesn't extend to palace

saint lard

saint lard

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I still maintain,however poor Puel was deemed,Black had a huge say in the style of play,team selection and tactics prior and during matches.

However much he had...it was too much.

He needs to go.

Otherwise I'm not sure much will change,unless Pellegrino is really his own man...unlike Puel.

 

 

 

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eurosaint

eurosaint

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Can somebody please explain why Eric Black is the subject of a witch hunt on here ?

Apart from his association with Puel and a few rumours knocking around, is there actually any concrete evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive with the players ??

Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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Can somebody please explain why Eric Black is the subject of a witch hunt on here ?

Apart from his association with Puel and a few rumours knocking around, is there actually any concrete evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive with the players ??

Because his history shows he wasn't very good. Tactically last year at home we were abysmal now perhaps Claude refused to listen.

I hoped we would clear out afresh but it's not what the club do so keeping him for some continuity which is why Watson etc are contracted to club not per management team.

 

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SonicBoom

SonicBoom

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Adam Blackmore said yesterday that Black is very popular with the players.

Seems to me that the fans took against Black from pretty much his first day due to the Villa fans comments. TBF he was there at a time when they were in decline. Most seem to have decided he was only here to translate which is patently nonsense.

I guess he'll leither lstay or go depending on the new managers requirement.

Baird of the land

Baird of the land

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See echo is suggesting Black is staying.Was hoping Black would be off as his CV is one of specialist in failure which sends all the wrong messages imo. Hope echo is wrong or he bucks the trend he's set at previous clubs and we excel next season.

SKD

SKD

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Black definitely had a falling our with a couple of players, so it surprises me to see that he's staying. Maybe they've made up, or maybe they're planning on moving said players on?

SKD

SKD

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Isn't it his job to fall out with the players if they are not performing?

 

I'd say it's his (and the other coaching staff) to get the players performing.

Sour Mash

Sour Mash

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Looks like Black's staying

 

 

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Ffs..

 

I still maintain,however poor Puel was deemed,Black had a huge say in the style of play,team selection and tactics prior and during matches.

However much he had...it was too much.

He needs to go.

Otherwise I'm not sure much will change,unless Pellegrino is really his own man...unlike Puel.

 

 

 

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Why does anyone on here think they have a clue on what Black does/doesn't do and whether he's any good or not?

 

Seems to me he's got a decent reputation as a coach.

VectisSaint

VectisSaint

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Black definitely had a falling our with a couple of players, so it surprises me to see that he's staying. Maybe they've made up, or maybe they're planning on moving said players on?

 

Maybe it was J Rod and Fonte...

Raging Bull

Raging Bull

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Black definitely had a falling our with a couple of players, so it surprises me to see that he's staying. Maybe they've made up, or maybe they're planning on moving said players on?

 

If he had a definite falling out, who were they?

 

Long defiantly had words after coming on as a sub then being subbed.

meatball

meatball

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Puel and Black are a package.

 

Puel out Black out....

 

We need a clean start, all remnants of Puels era need to be wiped clean ASAP

 

So we should get rid of Boufal, Pied and Hojberg?

 

 

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Mr X

Mr X

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Looks like Black's staying

 

 

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This is what worries would have much prefered a clean slate with just pellegrinos own staff, can see Eric black interfering with everything & by all accounts he isn't even a good coach that can be trusted

 

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Lets B Avenue

Lets B Avenue

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This is what worries would have much prefered a clean slate with just pellegrinos own staff, can see Eric black interfering with everything & by all accounts he isn't even a good coach that can be trusted

 

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What "accounts"? Let's all see what you mean. Otherwise it would appear to be your usual ******.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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This is what worries would have much prefered a clean slate with just pellegrinos own staff, can see Eric black interfering with everything & by all accounts he isn't even a good coach that can be trusted

 

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source...

eurosaint

eurosaint

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Can somebody please explain why Eric Black is the subject of a witch hunt on here ?

Apart from his association with Puel and a few rumours knocking around, is there actually any concrete evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive with the players ??

 

So, 11 hours after I asked for evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive, nobody knows, but some have made their minds up nevertheless !

The Saints web way, I suppose :mcinnes:

Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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So, 11 hours after I asked for evidence that he is unpopular or disruptive, nobody knows, but some have made their minds up nevertheless !

The Saints web way, I suppose :mcinnes:

 

Has anyone said he is unpopular and disruptive?

 

I think most want him gone as want a full fresh start and no remnants of the Puel era

CB Fry

CB Fry

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I got the impression that the few on here that supported Puel no matter what, blamed Black for anything bad, to deflect from Claude.

I don't recognise that at all.

 

The Venn diagram of "People on this forum who hated Puel" and "People who hated Black" would be just a circle.

whelk

whelk

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I don't recognise that at all.

 

The Venn diagram of "People on this forum who hated Puel" and "People who hated Black" would be just a circle.

 

Being pedantic but the latter would have loads of Villa fans[emoji3]

saint in Den Haag

saint in Den Haag

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I know nothing about whether he was a good / bad coach or well liked / disruptive - and if you also sit in the I don't 100% trust Reed camp. Then another way to look at it is do you trust Kelvin Davis?

His role for the last year was acting in a development role giving support to 1st team players and a link between dressing room and staff.. so if there were issues then I would like to think Kelvin would know and given the impression on how much the club values him I would like to think he would have been asked and Les trusts him.. just a thought but still guessing!

 

 

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Patrick Bateman

Patrick Bateman

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My hypothesis; Black had a row with someone, just one person (no idea who, could be a player, or a member of backroom staff), that "someone" is the same someone who likes to blab to mates and then said mates spread rumours on mongwebs. In actual fact, he's probably quite pivotal and the players and club hierarchy actually like him.

 

As I said, my hypothesis.

eurosaint

eurosaint

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Has anyone said he is unpopular and disruptive?

 

I think most want him gone as want a full fresh start and no remnants of the Puel era

 

So even if he is an excellent coach, he has to go because he has been tarnished by working with Puel ?

Seems to me that people want him out for no clear reason whatsoever !

Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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Don't forget the very public touchline spat with Tadic at the end of the season which happened right in front of the Ichen Centre fans and the board, who looked far from impressed. Even Puel looked embarrassed over that incident. All is not well as far as Black is concerned and these new rumours/leaks of the "players liking him" could just be plants.

Patrick Bateman

Patrick Bateman

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Don't forget the very public touchline spat with Tadic at the end of the season which happened right in front of the Ichen Centre fans and the board, who looked far from impressed. Even Puel looked embarrassed over that incident. All is not well as far as Black is concerned and these new rumours/leaks of the "players liking him" could just be plants.

 

To be fair, Tadic is a bit of a flower though at times.

ErwinK1961

ErwinK1961

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Don't forget the very public touchline spat with Tadic at the end of the season which happened right in front of the Ichen Centre fans and the board, who looked far from impressed. Even Puel looked embarrassed over that incident. All is not well as far as Black is concerned and these new rumours/leaks of the "players liking him" could just be plants.

 

Was that not against Utd, when he kept delivering corners over everyone's head, then started moaning at players/staff because no-one was there? Fairly sure Stephens was having a pop at Tadic as well about his delivery.

Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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Don't forget the very public touchline spat with Tadic at the end of the season which happened right in front of the Ichen Centre fans and the board, who looked far from impressed. Even Puel looked embarrassed over that incident. All is not well as far as Black is concerned and these new rumours/leaks of the "players liking him" could just be plants.

 

I don't know how you infer any of that from that incident.

Professor

Professor

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Quite pleased to read that Eric Black is to remain. Sorry for those who have been complaining about him but they had no evidence on which to base their malice. It was always likely that Pellegrino would want his two coaches from Alaves and their reputation suggests we will have a good coaching team but Eric Black will contribute to that. It's a reduced role but continuity is a good reason to keep him. If it's true he is popular with the players that seems to be an achievement that Claud didn't manage.

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