patred44 Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 and BLACK OUT. I'm sure most of the players would welcome that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 and BLACK OUT. I'm sure most of the players would welcome that Racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I liked him. The key question - How does he get on with Les? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 What has Black done to upset so many on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Sammy Lee and Nigel Adkins If Black is still around he can do the cleaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 What has Black done to upset so many on here? He's just a total bellend. There's trouble wherever he goes. Still, I don't think us fans get a say...Mind you, we seem to have put peer pressure on the board so they sacked Puel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 [h=2]Backroom staff, all those in favour..Hands up for Sammy Lee[/h]and BLACK OUT. Can you provide some good evidence that Eric Black is bad for the club and Sammy Lee is better? None of us know what either is like at their job. I'm sure most of the players would welcome that What evidence do you have to support that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Sammy Lee and Nigel Adkins If Black is still around he can do the cleaning Wouldn't even want him doing that tbh. I've always wanted Adkins back as academy manager, he'd be brilliant. Thing is, it would essentially be a demotion. If you were the store manager of a Tesco, did a great job, got sacked suddenly and harshly, you wouldn't want to go back as warehouse manager four years later. He'd be a good choice for England U23s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Can you provide some good evidence that Eric Black is bad for the club and Sammy Lee is better? None of us know what either is like at their job. What evidence do you have to support that? It's pretty common knowledge that Black is a douche and the players loved Sammy Lee when we had him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Well Pellegrino and Sammy have worked together. https://content.assets.pressassociation.io/2017/06/23181108/455fa933a540c6bb2668c3a2dc6b3e04-640x407.jpg Only a matter of time until he comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Wouldn't even want him doing that tbh. I've always wanted Adkins back as academy manager, he'd be brilliant. Thing is, it would essentially be a demotion. If you were the store manager of a Tesco, did a great job, got sacked suddenly and harshly, you wouldn't want to go back as warehouse manager four years later. He'd be a good choice for England U23s. Youre probably right mate. I just wonder what his ambitions are now management wise? Was out of work all last season and didn't appear to be applying for jobs. England u23s is good shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 What's the great obsession with Sammy Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Well Pellegrino and Sammy have worked together. https://content.assets.pressassociation.io/2017/06/23181108/455fa933a540c6bb2668c3a2dc6b3e04-640x407.jpg Only a matter of time until he comes in. Wouldn't expect Sammy Lee to come back, his time is done here. Would just expect Pellegrino's coaches from Alaves to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Just a fat scouse ***** who was at the club for five minutes. A total irrelevance and couldn't give a tinker's chuff whether he ever even entered the city boundary again, let alone rejoined the club. Irrelevant, move on. We'll be on to the Dodd/Williams love-in, next, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Just a fat scouse ***** who was at the club for five minutes. A total irrelevance and couldn't give a tinker's chuff whether he ever even entered the city boundary again, let alone rejoined the club. Irrelevant, move on. We'll be on to the Dodd/Williams love-in, next, right? 0.02/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I'm happy with whoever the Gaffer wants ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I've always wanted Adkins back as academy manager, he'd be brilliant. Thing is, it would essentially be a demotion. If you were the store manager of a Tesco, did a great job, got sacked suddenly and harshly, you wouldn't want to go back as warehouse manager four years later. He'd be a good choice for England U23s. England u23s is good shout No it isn't, England don't have an under 23 team. The England under 21 team is in the semi final of the Euro 2017 and the under 20s won the World Cup, so I doubt the FA will be rushing to change the manager of either side any time soon. It's pretty common knowledge that Black is a douche and the players loved Sammy Lee when we had him. I asked for good evidence, vague hearsay on its own isn't good evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 What's the great obsession with Sammy Lee? Yeah, it is something I've never really understood either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Yeah, it is something I've never really understood either... I think it's because he jumps around a lot and shows passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I think it's because he jumps around a lot and shows passion. Or because he was part of the coaching team that gave us our highest league finish in 30+ years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 No it isn't, England don't have an under 23 team.. Yes they do England u23 Womens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Can you provide some good evidence that Eric Black is bad for the club and Sammy Lee is better? None of us know what either is like at their job. What evidence do you have to support that? I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Pellegrino's coaches have been with him at every club he's been at, so they'll move from Alavés to here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I would anticipate Pellegrino's coaching staff will follow him as is usual in situations like this. The only thing that might stop that is if they haven't yet left Alaves and are offered jobs there - especially if one of them is appointed as the new coach of Alaves. If we got only one of them I would anticipate it might well be Xavi Tamarit who was one of the authors of the book "Tactical Periodization" which is the inspiration behind the coaching methods of Jose Mourinho and others. Nevertheless, employing his other assistant at Alaves, Carlos Campagnucci, brings with it the possibility of signing his son, Lucio Compagnucci, who has been an Argentine under 17 and under 20 international. Of course, that may or may not be of interest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Sammy Lee is a gentleman and I would most definitely welcome him back. I just don't think it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I do. Who's better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I would anticipate Pellegrino's coaching staff will follow him as is usual in situations like this. The only thing that might stop that is if they haven't yet left Alaves and are offered jobs there - especially if one of them is appointed as the new coach of Alaves. If we got only one of them I would anticipate it might well be Xavi Tamarit who was one of the authors of the book "Tactical Periodization" which is the inspiration behind the coaching methods of Jose Mourinho and others. Nevertheless, employing his other assistant at Alaves, Carlos Campagnucci, brings with it the possibility of signing his son, Lucio Compagnucci, who has been an Argentine under 17 and under 20 international. Of course, that may or may not be of interest! FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I would anticipate Pellegrino's coaching staff will follow him as is usual in situations like this. The only thing that might stop that is if they haven't yet left Alaves and are offered jobs there - especially if one of them is appointed as the new coach of Alaves. If we got only one of them I would anticipate it might well be Xavi Tamarit who was one of the authors of the book "Tactical Periodization" which is the inspiration behind the coaching methods of Jose Mourinho and others. Nevertheless, employing his other assistant at Alaves, Carlos Campagnucci, brings with it the possibility of signing his son, Lucio Compagnucci, who has been an Argentine under 17 and under 20 international. Of course, that may or may not be of interest! FFS OK... slight correction... Xavi Tamarit is the author of a book about "Tactical Periodization" which is the name given to the coaching methods used by Jose Mourinho and others. He didn't co-author the original training manual. Apologies for any misunderstanding! Tamarit's book is called "What is Tactical Periodization?" Nevertheless, the following article describes him as a "keen proponent" of this approach: https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/lowdown-on-new-southampton-coach-mauricio-pellegrino Monk - has that dealt with whatever caused your unexplained outburst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 Or because he was part of the coaching team that gave us our highest league finish in 30+ years? Didn't Les put a brilliant coaching team together? Superb. And so brave to overlook Sammy Lee's utter clusterfu ck of a managerial career when he turned eighth place Bolton into relegation certainties in a matter of weeks winning once in eleven disastrous games. Typical Les to look beyond that, and my how it paid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 OK... slight correction... Xavi Tamarit is the author of a book about "Tactical Periodization" which is the name given to the coaching methods used by Jose Mourinho and others. He didn't co-author the original training manual. Apologies for any misunderstanding! Tamarit's book is called "What is Tactical Periodization?" Nevertheless, the following article describes him as a "keen proponent" of this approach: https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/lowdown-on-new-southampton-coach-mauricio-pellegrino Monk - has that dealt with whatever caused your unexplained outburst? Its 'tongue in cheek' see the 'Pelligrino appointed thread' to explain why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 I heard from someone who spoke to him in the pub he stayed in when he was here that he said he thought JWP wasn't any good and massively overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9-3 Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 He won't come as assistant manager, maybe assistant coach to the coach. Loved his influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 25 June, 2017 Share Posted 25 June, 2017 What's Dennis Rofe doing these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 What's the great obsession with Sammy Lee? Best cone placer since Dennis Rofe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Other than his exuberant celebrations, I just wondered why Sammy Lee is so highly regarded on here whilst Eric Black is pillored on here at every opportunity? Exactly how many people know how good either is as it appears, on this board, there's a lot of people on here who apparently know that Lee is amazing and Black is crap. Allegedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Other than his exuberant celebrations, I just wondered why Sammy Lee is so highly regarded on here whilst Eric Black is pillored on here at every opportunity? Exactly how many people know how good either is as it appears, on this board, there's a lot of people on here who apparently know that Lee is amazing and Black is crap. Allegedly. Sammy Lee, coach at Bolton, Liverpool for a very long period including being kept on by 3 different managers and Benitez brought him back as well and also been appointed as an England coach TWICE. Generally seems well liked and respected by a lot of people and players, experience at international and champions league level. Black with coaching credentials at such clubs as Motherwell, Coventry, Sunderland, Blackburn, Blackpool, Rotherham and Villa. Named in curroption scandal, supposedly disliked by players here and around during some pretty poor times for those clubs (like Villa) Seems pretty obvious to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Sammy Lee, coach at Bolton, Liverpool for a very long period including being kept on by 3 different managers and Benitez brought him back as well and also been appointed as an England coach TWICE. Generally seems well liked and respected by a lot of people and players, experience at international and champions league level. Black with coaching credentials at such clubs as Motherwell, Coventry, Sunderland, Blackburn, Blackpool, Rotherham and Villa. Named in curroption scandal, supposedly disliked by players here and around during some pretty poor times for those clubs (like Villa) Seems pretty obvious to me. Heaven forbid anyone is named in a corruption scandal. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/07/england-sammy-lee-bolton-transfer-deal-appeal-court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Other than his exuberant celebrations, I just wondered why Sammy Lee is so highly regarded on here whilst Eric Black is pillored on here at every opportunity? Exactly how many people know how good either is as it appears, on this board, there's a lot of people on here who apparently know that Lee is amazing and Black is crap. Allegedly. I think just as Claude came across as one dimensional and uninspiring in his press conferences, Black alongside him (obviously came along with a negative cv) looked like a miserable sour bugger in every single photo of him. By the same token he never came over as an inspiring character in any TV interviews, at the same time I can't recall him ever coming to the line with instruction or direction during games. With the Koemans both Ronald and Erwin always seemed positive with a smile never far away, both coming to the touch line along with Dave Watson (another non smiler) with sensible input, but when an instruction needed extra impetuous they would send out Sammy Lee with his potty mouth and a bit of passion. Pochettino masked everything with his "lack of English" but Toni Jimenez could get the message across as his English was excellent, but most of MoPo's work had been done on the training ground. Nigel Adkins was a ball of likeable positive energy, but his right hand man Andy Crosby always came across as Nigel's enforcer, if he was chipping in then what Adkins just said he meant. Everyone up to Puel had positive energy in his team, Blacks only qualities was that he knew football, but primarily could speak French. I jokingly mentioned Dennis Rofe, he was a bit like Sammy Lee on the touch line, good with the bibs and cones but a positive presence witha bit of passion. Minus 20°C he still sat on the bench in shorts and tee shirt, memorably squared up to Souness in one game (which most folks wouldn't dare do). One thing that I remember from the relegation season when Redknapp was in charge was after the warm up players would be sat on the pitch, then Rofe and Kevin Bond (?) would take turns giving the players a little pep talk, pre the famous Norwich game Rofe was stood there punching his fist into his hand in a positive manner, before the fateful Man U game Bond was on duty, by comparison his pep talk was like a damp rag. Sammy Lee might not have the attributes to be a manager, but he has a positive aura, where Eric Black is concerned I don't think any of us has seen anything of his aura, just his ability to speak French. Which is why folks are calling for the return of Sammy: they want to see some passion not only on the field but on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Always find it strange the attention Sammy Lee gets from our fans and that Eric Black is the route of all the problems at the club? Based on what? Find the hate towards Eric Black a bit weird if I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Always find it strange the attention Sammy Lee gets from our fans and that Eric Black is the route of all the problems at the club? Based on what? Find the hate towards Eric Black a bit weird if I'm honest. I know. I thing about him, yet would be really happy if he wasn't here any longer. Please explain this to me. Someone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 I know. I thing about him, yet would be really happy if he wasn't here any longer. Please explain this to me. Someone.... I know nothing about him* blasted autocorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Always find it strange the attention Sammy Lee gets from our fans and that Eric Black is the route of all the problems at the club? Based on what? Find the hate towards Eric Black a bit weird if I'm honest. Me too, at least he wasn't found to be lying to a court of law. Sammy Lee maybe a nice bloke but he veers to the Harry Redknapp camp when it comes to being squeaky clean over transfer fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Can you provide some good evidence that Eric Black is bad for the club and Sammy Lee is better? None of us know what either is like at their job. Whilst I don't know first hand and I can only base my opinion on things I've been told. From that I'd say Sammy Lee is much, much better for the club than Black. I expect Black (and Plancque) will go and that Pellegrino will bring in his own coaching staff, with Watson and the fitness lad to stay. Xavi Tamarit is an interesting one. Didn't he write a coaching book or something, Monk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Has an assistant manager ever had as much of an impact on a club as what people on here think Eric Black has had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 It's hard to imagine Pellegrino being asked to work with Claud's coaches and not just because their ability to speak French isn't of much value any more. New manager, new ideas, needs fresh minds to put those over. If MP is able to bring in the two assistant coaches from Alaves (Carlos Campagnucci and Xavi Tamarit) that would quickly sweep away the old ideas but it might depend on their ability to speak English. Despite the discussion about whether Black is a good coach it's almost immaterial because assistants to managers tend to lose their jobs when the manager goes, regardless of their own performance. Unfortunately for Black and Plancque, because Puel was sacked they don't have the opportunity of moving with him to a new club as a coaching team in the way that Pochettino and Koeman took their assistants with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Heaven forbid anyone is named in a corruption scandal. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/07/england-sammy-lee-bolton-transfer-deal-appeal-court And? Do you actually have a point? No thought not. That was one tiny section of what I said, there is still the huge difference in CVs, learn to form an actual argument. Sammy Lee has worked with some of the best payers around, been part of successful set ups and obviously impressed enough to get to stay at Liverpool despite multiple manager changes and get into the England set up on two occasions. Whereas Black has bounced around a load of crap clubs barely keeping his job and has been around those clubs when they've had terrible results. So it's a bit stupid for people to be asking questions why people might prefer Sammy Lee to Eric Black, when it's so obvious that Lee is clearly a better coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 And? Do you actually have a point? No thought not. That was one tiny section of what I said, there is still the huge difference in CVs, learn to form an actual argument. Sammy Lee has worked with some of the best payers around, been part of successful set ups and obviously impressed enough to get to stay at Liverpool despite multiple manager changes and get into the England set up on two occasions. Whereas Black has bounced around a load of crap clubs barely keeping his job and has been around those clubs when they've had terrible results. So it's a bit stupid for people to be asking questions why people might prefer Sammy Lee to Eric Black, when it's so obvious that Lee is clearly a better coach. So you only have a moral objection to corruption if it happens to a coach you don't like. If it happens to one you already like it's just a case of "and?" and it not being a point. Clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR-10 Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Black isn't liked in football in general. No matter what you read. He isnt even a half decent coach. He's a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 i would rather have his assistants he knows best, Carlos Campagnucci and Xavi Tamarit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 June, 2017 Share Posted 26 June, 2017 Can you provide some good evidence that Eric Black is bad for the club and Sammy Lee is better? None of us know what either is like at their job. What evidence do you have to support that? Sammy is much better on cones. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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