Jonnyboy Posted 6 November, 2019 Share Posted 6 November, 2019 Any chance that you might retract your insinuations in the light of what really occurred ? Fat chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 17 November, 2019 Share Posted 17 November, 2019 Given it is student accommodation, I wonder what GM will make of this "Cladding on a block of student flats that was hit by a major blaze is a cause for "concern", Greater Manchester's mayor has said." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-50445311 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 18 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Given it is student accommodation, I wonder what GM will make of this "Cladding on a block of student flats that was hit by a major blaze is a cause for "concern", Greater Manchester's mayor has said." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-50445311 I'd hope that the people investigating the fire will follow the evidence. Little chance of the MSM, the local politicians or the gullible fools on this site from doing that. Maybe it is worth reading this story from over a year ago. I doubt much was made of it: 1 MARCH 2018 • 12:22AM A survivor of the Grenfell Tower fire is facing jail after investigators found the remains of his cannabis oil factory in the wreck of the building. Eamon Zada, 35, was arrested after officers combing the burnt-out tower three weeks after the deadly blaze found a store of cannabis cuttings, butane gas canisters and an oven in his flat. Zada, who is currently being housed at the Raddison Blu hotel in Portman Square, Marylebone, had produced enough cannabis oil to last one user 140 days, Westminster Magistrates' Court heard. On Wednesday, Zada pleaded guilty to one count of being concerned in the supply of cannabis on or before July 4 last year. If it's okay, I'm sticking to my probable cause...fridge/freezers don't explode because of a faulty wire crimp, FFS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 I'd hope that the people investigating the fire will follow the evidence. Little chance of the MSM, the local politicians or the gullible fools on this site from doing that. Maybe it is worth reading this story from over a year ago. I doubt much was made of it: If it's okay, I'm sticking to my probable cause...fridge/freezers don't explode because of a faulty wire crimp, FFS... He lived on the 8th floor and the fire started on the 4th so I'm not sure it's that relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 I'd hope that the people investigating the fire will follow the evidence. Little chance of the MSM, the local politicians or the gullible fools on this site from doing that. Maybe it is worth reading this story from over a year ago. I doubt much was made of it: If it's okay, I'm sticking to my probable cause...fridge/freezers don't explode because of a faulty wire crimp, FFS... You mean Sir Martin Moore-Bick who led the official Grenfell inquiry and has seen all the available evidence? #gamesetandmatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 He lived on the 8th floor and the fire started on the 4th so I'm not sure it's that relevant. Facts and relevance are outwith GM's frame of reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 .....fridge/freezers don't explode because of a faulty wire crimp, FFS... Well, actually they can; https://www.ukfiretraining.com/news/fridge-freezer-fires.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 18 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Open & shut case? I don't think so. I will keep an open mind until the inquiry concludes, but I am sure the detectives waiting for the Phase 2 evidence to be published, are poised to take action against whatever and whoever the evidence points them to. The victims and their families deserve nothing less. Extract from Chapter 21 of the Phase 1 Grenfell Report Chairman: The Rt Hon Sir Martin Moore-Bick October 2019 21.29 Identifying the precise point of ignition within the large fridge-freezer poses a significant challenge. In the light of Dr Glover’s evidence, and in the absence of any evidence suggesting some other cause, Professor Nic Daéid was satisfied that the cause of the fire was probably electrical. Beyond that she did not think that there was enough evidence to enable her to reach a more definite conclusion.21.30 In an addendum to his report Dr Glover put forward the hypothesis that the origin of the fire was the overheating of a defective crimp connection within a wire connector in the large fridge-freezer.32 Whirlpool strongly challenged that part of Dr Glover’s evidence, but again without the support of any expert evidence. Having considered the addendum to Dr Glover’s report as well as his oral evidence, I have come to the conclusion that further investigations would be required before any reliable conclusion could be reached on that question. That could involve considerable time and expense, which might, or might not, enable a firm conclusion to be reached. Whatever the outcome, however, it could not detract from the overwhelming weight of the evidence that the fire started somewhere in the large fridge/freezer. A fire originating in an electrical domestic appliance is not an uncommon event; the important question for this Inquiry is how an ordinary domestic fire could have had such catastrophic consequences for the whole building and its occupants. Further examination of parts from the large fridge-freezer will not provide the answer to that question. In my view it is better to accept that it is not possible within the scope of this Inquiry to identify with confidence the precise nature of the defect in the large fridge-freezer which caused the fire. Extract from Chapter 22 of the Phase 1 Grenfell Report Chairman: The Rt Hon Sir Martin Moore-Bick October 2019 22.42 Without access to the whole of the information obtained from the reconstruction it is not possible to determine whether the test itself and the conclusions drawn from it have a bearing on the questions addressed in this Chapter (The Escape of the Fire from Flat 16). However, if that information can be made available, I shall ask Professor Torero and Professor Bisby to prepare short reports explaining whether it causes them to alter or refine the evidence they gave at Phase 1. I am also willing to receive submissions from core participants on the relevance of the reconstruction and the conclusions drawn from it at some convenient time during Phase 2. In those circumstances,the findings made in this Chapter remain provisional and I will express a final view in the Phase 2 report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 18 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Dr Nic Daéid's provisional report also identifies "unknown materials" stored between the freezer and wall which "may have become involved in the fire in the early stages of its development". Curiouser and curiouser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Section 21.27 “Whatever the origin of the initial fire, the evidence indicates that it was accidental. Mr Kebede in particular bears no blame for what occurred in his flat, much less for the catastrophic events that followed. On the contrary, he did exactly what a responsible person might be expected to do in the circumstances and his presence of mind in switching off the electricity as he left the flat enabled important evidence to be gathered about the origin of the fire”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Section 21.27 “Whatever the origin of the initial fire, the evidence indicates that it was accidental. Mr Kebede in particular bears no blame for what occurred in his flat, much less for the catastrophic events that followed. On the contrary, he did exactly what a responsible person might be expected to do in the circumstances and his presence of mind in switching off the electricity as he left the flat enabled important evidence to be gathered about the origin of the fire”. So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 So? Keep up Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Keep up Jamie. Thanks Gavyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 18 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2019 So? The cause of the fire was obviously, whatever it's origin, accidental. IF it involved the production of illicit drugs, as what was happening a couple floors up, I doubt anyone would allow their stash to burn, deliberately. Still, it looks like a loosely crimped electrical connection was the likely cause, causing the fridge/freezer to explode. My bad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 "Although some questions remain unanswered, the evidence, viewed as a whole, leaves me in no doubt that the fire originated in the large fridge-freezer. " "Dr Glover’s forensic electrical analysis persuasively identifies the area of origin as the large fridge-freezer. His conclusions are consistent not only with the evidence of Mr Kebede and the crew who first fought the fire but also with the physical evidence of the burn patterns both to the large fridge-freezer itself and to the floor where it had been standing and with the damage to the skirting board behind it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 18 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Thanks Gavyn Don't listen to him. He believed the Hutton Report because a Lord of the Realm authored it. Weapons of Mass Destruction? Yeah, that's right. Let's believe everything the establishment tell us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 I'd hope that the people investigating the fire will follow the evidence. Little chance of the MSM, the local politicians or the gullible fools on this site from doing that. Maybe it is worth reading this story from over a year ago. I doubt much was made of it: If it's okay, I'm sticking to my probable cause...fridge/freezers don't explode because of a faulty wire crimp, FFS... They can, because it happened to me, and they don't explodes, they overheat and catch fire. Also, that's hardly a factory, lol. Oil for one person for 140 days. About the equivalent of 20 packs of fags for many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 January, 2020 Share Posted 28 January, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51279906 "Companies involved in the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower knew a planned cladding system would fail in the event of a fire, emails suggest." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 On 15/06/2017 at 12:57, Guided Missile said: It may be too early for many, but not for me. This should never happen again. Cladding doesn't catch fire on it's own and fridges don't normally explode. The only time I ever experienced an exploding fridge was when I allowed a research chemist to chill a solution of a pharmaceutical, dissolved in diethyl ether in our laboratory fridge. Later that night, as the thermostat in the fridge made contact and sparked, the fridge full of flammable vapour blew up and burnt the laboratory down. Flameproof laboratory fridges are available, but very expensive. We have 5 of them. So, the first lesson is do not store flammable liquids in a domestic fridge and the second lesson is that if you do, make sure the building in which the fridge is situated is not clad in combustible material. The first lesson is the most important because the second lesson will not occur. Just saying.... One of my old conspiracy theories. A year later: Quote Grenfell Tower inferno survivor, 35, faces jail after fire investigators found the wreckage of his illegal cannabis oil factory in the building's burned-out shell Eamon Zada, 35, was arrested after officers combing the tower found his factory. They discovered cannabis cuttings, butane gas canisters and an oven in his flat. Zelda is currently being housed in a hotel following last year's deadly inferno. He pleaded guilty to one count of being concerned in the supply of cannabis Ahead of the hearing, lawyers for Zada asked for him to be granted anonymity for fear that the presence of butane canisters could be linked to the blaze and make him the target of violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Guided Missile said: One of my old conspiracy theories. A year later: Holy thread bump ! Just because you got called out on another thread over your bollox conflation. The Grenfell fire has been attributed to power surges causing an electrical fault in a fridge freezer and consequently a fire which spread through the faulty cladding. Edited August 3 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) If I have the right person for GM who someone identified earlier then he absolutely looks like a paedo. Sorry a racist paedo. Edited August 3 by whelk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, whelk said: If I have the right person for GM who someone identified earlier then he absolutely looks like a paedo. Sorry a racist paedo. I wasn’t the only one to search the key words in that comment then. Assumed he probably wasn’t the bloke with the name of Arabic origin done for possession of cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 19 minutes ago, ChrisPY said: I wasn’t the only one to search the key words in that comment then. Assumed he probably wasn’t the bloke with the name of Arabic origin done for possession of cocaine. I googled Bursledon cunt called John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Not sure what you all think but this GM bloke really is a bit of a silly cunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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