shurlock Posted 19 June, 2017 Posted 19 June, 2017 No. Just dont think you can justify attacking anyone unprovoked, however slight the attack... but the extreme left wing would view that as collateral damage... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk It's distasteful; but no point moralising about it. The perpetrators look like locals rather than lefties FWIW.
Johnny Bognor Posted 19 June, 2017 Posted 19 June, 2017 It's distasteful; but no point moralising about it. The perpetrators look like locals rather than lefties FWIW. But lefties are justifying it... Not very caring and sharing is it???
Jonnyboy Posted 19 June, 2017 Posted 19 June, 2017 What a weird view to have. That's rich coming you. Over a hundred people burned alive, but the right whingers find protesting and pushing more distasteful. They blame the tragedy on the poor themselves. And endorse the reoccurance of such events by trying to wriggle out of their taxes by any means necessary.
buctootim Posted 19 June, 2017 Posted 19 June, 2017 But lefties are justifying it... Not very caring and sharing is it??? People can get a bit testy after watching their families get burned alive because the council wrapped their concrete homes in flammable plastic.
Jonnyboy Posted 19 June, 2017 Posted 19 June, 2017 People can get a bit testy after watching their families get burned alive because the council wrapped their concrete homes in flammable plastic. I can't remember if it's Bognor or Duckhunter who has a brother who is a "leftie" but unfortunately they've let their dysfunctional family relationships cloud their view of the real world to a sociopathic degree.
Johnny Bognor Posted 19 June, 2017 Posted 19 June, 2017 [emoji38] That's rich coming you. Over a hundred people burned alive, but the right whingers find protesting and pushing more distasteful. They blame the tragedy on the poor themselves. And endorse the reoccurance of such events by trying to wriggle out of their taxes by any means necessary. Can you point me to where i have blamed them??? I highlighted a multitude of those responsible and want them brought to justice... Keep taking the pills... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Jonnyboy Posted 19 June, 2017 Posted 19 June, 2017 Can you point me to where i have blamed them??? I highlighted a multitude of those responsible and want them brought to justice... Keep taking the pills... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Now you're getting paranoid. You need to look at the thread starter to see whose playing the blame game.
hutch Posted 20 June, 2017 Posted 20 June, 2017 People can get a bit testy after watching their families get burned alive because the council wrapped their concrete homes in flammable plastic. Responsibility for capital projects was transferred from the "council" to the tenants association in 2002. It's distasteful; but no point moralising about it. The perpetrators look like locals rather than lefties FWIW. What do North Ken "locals" look like? That's a very slippery slope.
Guided Missile Posted 23 June, 2017 Author Posted 23 June, 2017 Looks like progress is being made in determining who was responsible. Police investigating the Grenfell Tower blaze may bring manslaughter charges and say the fire started in a Hotpoint fridge freezer.
badgerx16 Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 (edited) Looks like progress is being made in determining who was responsible. Would that be the crooks who supplied and installed cladding and insulation which is failing ALL safety tests it is being subjected to? 'Det Supt McCormack says the tests carried out on the cladding and insulation were "small scale" but added: "All I can say at the moment is they [the tiles and insulation] don't pass any safety tests."' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40380584 Edited 23 June, 2017 by badgerx16 Added link for GM's education
Jonnyboy Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 Looks like progress is being made in determining who was responsible. Who would you say is responsible?
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 I can't remember if it's Bognor or Duckhunter who has a brother who is a "leftie" but unfortunately they've let their dysfunctional family relationships cloud their view of the real world to a sociopathic degree. If I had a brother he wouldn't be a ****ing leftie. I have a perfectly functional family thank you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
badgerx16 Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 Who would you say is responsible? He hasn't changed his opinion from post #1.
badgerx16 Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 If I had a brother he wouldn't be a ****ing leftie. If you were from pompey he'd also be your dad.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 Tower block in Camden being evacuated tonight. Exactly the same cladding. Installed in 2005 under a labour government, labour council & paid for by PFI deal negotiated by labour council. What's Corbyn , Khan & other assorted lefties gonna say about that? Where's the rage? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
shurlock Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 Expect many were against PFI and saw it as one of the ruinous legacies of Blairism, pal.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 Expect many were against PFI and saw it as one of the ruinous legacies of Blairism, pal. As long as Alister Campbell turns up & starts cuddling the residents we can gloss over it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
badgerx16 Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 Tower block in Camden being evacuated tonight. Exactly the same cladding. Installed in 2005 under a labour government, labour council & paid for by PFI deal negotiated by labour council. What's Corbyn , Khan & other assorted lefties gonna say about that? Where's the rage? It does not matter who managed the contracts, Labour, Tory, LibDem, or Martian. If the cladding does not meet the appropriate safety standards, either somebody knew and hid the information, or the testing and monitoring system was a sham. Either way, this could blow up and shame the entire Political elite.
Guided Missile Posted 23 June, 2017 Author Posted 23 June, 2017 Who would you say is responsible? The person that is found guilty of manslaughter. For the muppets on here that aren't reading between the lines, it is not the CEO of Hotpoint...
Jonnyboy Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 The person that is found guilty of manslaughter. For the muppets on here that aren't reading between the lines, it is not the CEO of Hotpoint... I thought it was a meth factory in there (because that's what all poor people do)?
Guided Missile Posted 23 June, 2017 Author Posted 23 June, 2017 I thought it was a meth factory in there (because that's what all poor people do)? Some people are poor because they spend money on drugs. People that sell drugs are generally rich and buy designer sh! t which they save from the flames. Then again, the villains could be the CEO of Hotpoint or a cladding manufacturer. Either way you're a clueless d! ck....
Jonnyboy Posted 23 June, 2017 Posted 23 June, 2017 Some people are poor because they spend money on drugs. People that sell drugs are generally rich and buy designer sh! t which they save from the flames. Then again, the villains could be the CEO of Hotpoint or a cladding manufacturer. Either way you're a clueless d! ck.... You're a lying cvnt and you know f*ck all. Hope that helps.
Guided Missile Posted 23 June, 2017 Author Posted 23 June, 2017 You're a lying cvnt and you know f*ck all. Hope that helps.
hutch Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 Don't you think it's time for you to wind it in a bit mush? At least on this thread. Show a bit of respect. You know what that is, don't you?
Jonnyboy Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 Don't you think it's time for you to wind it in a bit mush? At least on this thread. Show a bit of respect. You know what that is, don't you? At the risk of sounding childish I think you'll find Trident started with the insults.
shurlock Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 Don't you think it's time for you to wind it in a bit mush? At least on this thread. Show a bit of respect. You know what that is, don't you? #doublestandards
OldNick Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 Would that be the crooks who supplied and installed cladding and insulation which is failing ALL safety tests it is being subjected to? 'Det Supt McCormack says the tests carried out on the cladding and insulation were "small scale" but added: "All I can say at the moment is they [the tiles and insulation] don't pass any safety tests."' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40380584 I dont know about who is allowed to price a council job like this, I assume only large companies, but the council surely have building inspectors and regs, fire officers etc that should ensure this product doesnt get through.Afterall these people are there to protect the public are they not? The contractors will be thinking of bankrupcy and fearlful that they will be sought and justice served I doubt Tony Blair ,Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Teresa May went down to sign this off to proceed
buctootim Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 I dont know about who is allowed to price a council job like this, I assume only large companies, but the council surely have building inspectors and regs, fire officers etc that should ensure this product doesnt get through.Afterall these people are there to protect the public are they not? The contractors will be thinking of bankrupcy and fearlful that they will be sought and justice served I doubt Tony Blair ,Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Teresa May went down to sign this off to proceed I read somewhere a week or so or go that at least one contractor was a small popup setup - do a job, don't pay your bills, go bankrupt, get bought for £1 by the previous owner. Its quite possible that what the purchaser specified isnt what they got. Pretty much all celotex boards look alike.
Johnny Bognor Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 I read somewhere a week or so or go that at least one contractor was a small popup setup - do a job, don't pay your bills, go bankrupt, get bought for £1 by the previous owner. Its quite possible that what the purchaser specified isnt what they got. Pretty much all celotex boards look alike. Does that not fall on those who requisitioned the work? Surely they are duty bound to do their due dilligence on all contractors? Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
badgerx16 Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 Does that not fall on those who requisitioned the work? Surely they are duty bound to do their due dilligence on all contractors? Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk In principle yes, but I suspect that you underestimate the power of the padded brown envelope in partnership with a 'funny' handshake.
buctootim Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 Does that not fall on those who requisitioned the work? Surely they are duty bound to do their due dilligence on all contractors? Thats one of the problems of taking housing management away from councils with building regs knowledge and giving it to arms length management organisations - they don't have the skills or knowledge. Cheapest quotes are often cheapest for a reason - because someone is going to cut corners somewhere, and inexperienced or understaffed commissioners wont necessarily spot it. Bait and switch is a well known scam
buctootim Posted 24 June, 2017 Posted 24 June, 2017 Effect of US style metal backed fridge and UK plastic backed one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGQqmOXCSGc
Sour Mash Posted 26 June, 2017 Posted 26 June, 2017 the whole thing getting ridiculous now. Tower blocks in Camden being evacuated, residents refusing to move and saying they feel safe, there have been fires in the block before and they've been well contained. Classic media driven knee jerk reaction.
Guided Missile Posted 10 July, 2017 Author Posted 10 July, 2017 Maybe the truth is about to come out? The police investigation into the causes of the fire is also continuing, including an examination of "all criminal offences that may have been committed". Reading between the lines is not difficult as again, I can't see anyone executive of Hotpoint having committed a criminal offence for selling a faulty fridge or of anyone owning one. Fishy as f*** as my edit of the OP may suggest. Exploding fridge? Yeah.... (Cue abuse)
badgerx16 Posted 10 July, 2017 Posted 10 July, 2017 Maybe the truth is about to come out? Reading between the lines is not difficult as again, I can't see anyone executive of Hotpoint having committed a criminal offence for selling a faulty fridge or of anyone owning one. Fishy as f*** as my edit of the OP may suggest. Exploding fridge? Yeah.... (Cue abuse) Perhaps the 'criminal' offences relate to the contractual process relating to the refurbishment of the building. There have been comments suggesting that the tiles fitted were not the ones in the original specification.
Jonnyboy Posted 10 July, 2017 Posted 10 July, 2017 Maybe the truth is about to come out? Reading between the lines is not difficult as again, I can't see anyone executive of Hotpoint having committed a criminal offence for selling a faulty fridge or of anyone owning one. Fishy as f*** as my edit of the OP may suggest. Exploding fridge? Yeah.... (Cue abuse) Word on the street is that Agform might have supplied chemicals involved in the faulty fridge's malfunction. Vicious rumours imo.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 July, 2017 Posted 10 July, 2017 I read somewhere that the bloke whose fridge blow up has disappeared, does anyone know if this is true? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
aintforever Posted 11 July, 2017 Posted 11 July, 2017 I read somewhere that the bloke whose fridge blow up has disappeared, does anyone know if this is true? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Probably true, if my fridge blew up and caused that carnage I would lie low for a bit.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 11 July, 2017 Posted 11 July, 2017 Probably true, if my fridge blew up and caused that carnage I would lie low for a bit. Why? You've done nothing wrong Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Guided Missile Posted 11 July, 2017 Author Posted 11 July, 2017 Why? You've done nothing wrong If my fridge blew up, I would be busy suing the manufacturer.
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 July, 2017 Posted 11 July, 2017 If my fridge blew up, I would be busy suing the manufacturer. It's more complicated than that, it depends on the conditions of use. If, for example, you had been hanging your underwear on the back to dry it out or you had it standing next to an electric heater then it may well overheat. Having said that, I'm sure that several manufacturers are chewing their fingernails and checking the flight schedules to Argentina. Probably best to wait for the official reports.
Guided Missile Posted 11 July, 2017 Author Posted 11 July, 2017 Probably best to wait for the official reports.We won't have to wait for the "official reports". They won't be issued for years. I bet a pound to a pinch of sh!t that the police will be making arrest(s) in the next week or two.
aintforever Posted 11 July, 2017 Posted 11 July, 2017 Why? You've done nothing wrong Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think you would naturally feel a bit guilty even if you were not to blame. Why the fire started is not the issue, there will always be fires in properties - it's why it spread so fast throughout the block and killed so many that is criminal.
shurlock Posted 11 July, 2017 Posted 11 July, 2017 Maybe the truth is about to come out? Reading between the lines is not difficult as again, I can't see anyone executive of Hotpoint having committed a criminal offence for selling a faulty fridge or of anyone owning one. Fishy as f*** as my edit of the OP may suggest. Exploding fridge? Yeah.... (Cue abuse) You certainly know something about meltdowns, I'll grant you that.
Jonnyboy Posted 11 July, 2017 Posted 11 July, 2017 If my fridge blew up, I would be busy suing the manufacturer. You still on about suing people? Must drink in the daytime too.
shurlock Posted 11 July, 2017 Posted 11 July, 2017 You still on about suing people? Must drink in the daytime too. Little man with ideas above his station.
badgerx16 Posted 18 July, 2017 Posted 18 July, 2017 "Dozens of residents of Grenfell Tower suffered electricity power surges so strong their appliances malfunctioned, overheated and emitted smoke a few years before the fire, it has emerged" "Some say electricity problems persisted into the months before June's fire." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40632705
shurlock Posted 18 July, 2017 Posted 18 July, 2017 So one week on, expecting the police to make arrests anytime now.
saint1977 Posted 21 July, 2017 Posted 21 July, 2017 "Dozens of residents of Grenfell Tower suffered electricity power surges so strong their appliances malfunctioned, overheated and emitted smoke a few years before the fire, it has emerged" "Some say electricity problems persisted into the months before June's fire." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40632705 GM has his answer.
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