benjii Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Why do people want to sign Ake? He's not what we need at all. I doubt he's any better than Yoshida, frankly, and at £20million he's a pretty crap signing, if you ask me. Defoe - good player but when you sign someone that age you are gambling not just on performance but on physical capability so a three year deal is potentially a millstone around their necks. Could be a great signing but probably not a gamble we need to take. Begovic - was good when he played regularly. Who knows now? Also, a bit odd seeing as Boruc won their player of the year awards last year. Would surely make more sense to sign a younger up-and-coming keeper to phase in over time? So, in summary, I think AFCB are doing well for a club their size but they shouldn't be the model for us. I want us to win matches in the here-and-now but we have been demonstrating over the last few years that signing players with future resale profit is a good model if you get it right. Of those three signings above, two will definitely not appreciate in value and one may well not. That can cause problems in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 (edited) Their model is completely unsustainable. I seem to recall another south coast team spending beyond its means. It'll go tits up soon. Don't see why it's unsustainable, they got a couple of million less than us from the PL Sky fund, their gate receipts would be far less but I don't think that they have the top heavy academy structure that we do. Some seem to think that we can afford 20 million for a player and yet Bournemouth can't. Their wage bill must be about 2/3 of ours or less as well. Edited 30 June, 2017 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 People need to get their heads around the fact that £5-12 million bracket players we are use to signing are rapidly becoming £15-20 million players just through the sheer madness of PL transfer fee inflation. Its seems like every player we sell people consider to have been sold to cheaply yet every player other teams buy is over priced. 20 million for a young up coming, PL proven, CB in Ake is not a bad price at all in the current transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Their model is completely unsustainable. I seem to recall another south coast team spending beyond its means. It'll go tits up soon. They're bankrolled by a pretty hefty russian to be fair. They'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Tottenham ready to launch a bid for Bournemouth's Josh King - @Matt_Law_DT http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/30/tottenham-turn-attention-bournemouths-josh-king-effort-strengthen/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 People need to get their heads around the fact that £5-12 million bracket players we are use to signing are rapidly becoming £15-20 million players just through the sheer madness of PL transfer fee inflation. Its seems like every player we sell people consider to have been sold to cheaply yet every player other teams buy is over priced. 20 million for a young up coming, PL proven, CB in Ake is not a bad price at all in the current transfer market. Bingo. Well said. Some Saints fans are living with transfer fees from several years ago. Ake at £20 million is proven PL quality. If we want to sign proven PL quality it will cost Saints that as well. You don't get something for nothing - yes, you can buy unproven young players from abroad, then the risk is with Saints. They may, or may not make it. Boufal and Hoijbjerg cost 12 and 16 million each, but have far from been proven as great signings so far (they can improve obviously, but they may not...). Why is it Saints signings are amazingly brilliant, in some on here's eyes, but everyone elses are a waste of money? Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Is he "proven"? He's played half a season. Same as Stephens and I think the jury's out. Yoshida must be worth, what, about £30million then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Is he "proven"? He's played half a season. Same as Stephens and I think the jury's out. Yoshida must be worth, what, about £30million then? He also had a season long loan with Watford in the PL, not just Bournemouth. He also scored 3 goals in 10 games for Bournemouth, we could do with that from our strikers, let alone a DM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 He also had a season long loan with Watford in the PL, not just Bournemouth. He also scored 3 goals in 10 games for Bournemouth, we could do with that from our strikers, let alone a DM... They also conceded 3+ goals in 6 of the 9 games he played 90 with Bournemouth. That's appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 They're bankrolled by a pretty hefty russian to be fair. They'll be fine. So were the skates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 WATFORD INTERESTED IN CHALOBAH Watford are interested in Chelsea midfielder Nathaniel Chalobah, according to Sky sources. Sky Sports News HQ understands Chalobah will hold talks with Chelsea about his future next week. Chalobah enjoyed a successful loan spell at Vicarage Road in the 2012/13 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Tottenham ready to launch a bid for Bournemouth's Josh King - @Matt_Law_DT http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/30/tottenham-turn-attention-bournemouths-josh-king-effort-strengthen/ Would be surprised if he stays at B'mouth, and if he goes, think that he will be a big loss for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Would be surprised if he stays at B'mouth, and if he goes, think that he will be a big loss for them. Other than having age on his side, he is no better than Defoe. If I had the choice for the next 2 seasons, it'd be Defoe every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Other than having age on his side, he is no better than Defoe. If I had the choice for the next 2 seasons, it'd be Defoe every day of the week. According to this forum there is no-one better than Defoe. Baffling why he is not at Barcelona or Real Madrid. Guaranteed goals every game. Every time he has hurt saints with a goal or two. Oh no that is just everyone's prediction every time before he comes up against us. Just imagine what he'd do in the MLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 According to this forum there is no-one better than Defoe. Baffling why he is not at Barcelona or Real Madrid. Guaranteed goals every game. Every time he has hurt saints with a goal or two. Oh no that is just everyone's prediction every time before he comes up against us. Just imagine what he'd do in the MLS? He was dreadful towards the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 He was dreadful towards the end of the season. Cos of poor service. Give him the ball and he will score every time. Never misses. Never. Sunderland would be a poor side without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 In any case I see an awful lot of 50 million + rated players being sold every day by the media, I don't yet see any of these fantasy football transfers actually happening. Early days yet but many will end up where they started in May with not a bent halfpenny being spent on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 this one is interesting Barcelona activate Deulofeu buy-back clause Barcelona have activated their buy-back clause to re-sign winger Gerard Deulofeu from Everton, in a move reportedly worth €12 million. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/barcelona-activate-deulofeu-buy-back-clause/ar-BBDuQUZ?li=AA572I&ocid=spartandhp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 this one is interesting Barcelona activate Deulofeu buy-back clause Barcelona have activated their buy-back clause to re-sign winger Gerard Deulofeu from Everton, in a move reportedly worth €12 million. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/barcelona-activate-deulofeu-buy-back-clause/ar-BBDuQUZ?li=AA572I&ocid=spartandhp Don't think Koeman actually wanted him anyway. Bloke runs around a lot but the end product is oft missing. Good deal for Everton, made 6 million or so on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 According to this forum there is no-one better than Defoe. Baffling why he is not at Barcelona or Real Madrid. Guaranteed goals every game. Every time he has hurt saints with a goal or two. Oh no that is just everyone's prediction every time before he comes up against us. Just imagine what he'd do in the MLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Cos of poor service. Give him the ball and he will score every time. Never misses. Never. Sunderland would be a poor side without him. Sunderland were poor side with him....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 @Everton: We've completed the signing of Henry Onyekuru. The 20-year-old will spend 2017/18 on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 West Ham have club record bids rejected for two strikers - @JBurtTelegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/30/west-ham-have-record-bids-rejected-anthony-modeste-cedric-bakambu/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 @Everton: We've completed the signing of Henry Onyekuru. The 20-year-old will spend 2017/18 on loan Fair play. Looks a real talent and think a huge number of clubs were in for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Do you have honesty issues? You could tell I wrote that in the middle of a 19 hour shift.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 West Ham have club record bids rejected for two strikers - @JBurtTelegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/30/west-ham-have-record-bids-rejected-anthony-modeste-cedric-bakambu/ ] WHU are going to have a team of pensioners if they carry on at this rate. I do hope they go down this season. Horrible, spiteful people in charge, and an entitled fan base just because they is London, innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Why is it Saints signings are amazingly brilliant, in some on here's eyes, but everyone elses are a waste of money? Bizarre. Maybe it's people's differing opinions perhaps? Often the opposite is true cos I guess not everyone sees players in the same light with transfer business not being an exact science. Bournemouth signing Jordan Ibe was a real ambitious sign of intent. Look how good he was on the telly that time? Looks a world beater. We only get sh1tty old Redmond. That is normally how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Why is it Saints signings are amazingly brilliant, in some on here's eyes, but everyone elses are a waste of money? Bizarre. Pretty sure it's mainly the other way round. Why oh why why oh why why did we not sign him? We're getting left behind again left behind left behind I tells ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 To be fair, not signing a striker last summer did mean we fell behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Chelsea have gone for Rudiger over VVD it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Chelsea have gone for Rudiger over VVD it appears. Looked a major young talent a couple of seasons ago before a knee injury set him back. Not unlike Kurt Zouma in that respect. Not sure he's much of an upgrade over Zouma, to be honest, but hey - not our problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Chelsea have gone for Rudiger over VVD it appears. So did they go away from VvD because we won't sell him? or because they've been told he only wants Liverpool move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 WHU are going to have a team of pensioners if they carry on at this rate. I do hope they go down this season. Horrible, spiteful people in charge, and an entitled fan base just because they is London, innit. I know it's only perception but they seem to move from target to target really quickly. You have to wonder how much due diligence they actually spend on their signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 So did they go away from VvD because we won't sell him? or because they've been told he only wants Liverpool move? I thought Conte wasn't overkeen and considered the price excessive but perhaps that's just some journo's opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukee Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Weird that Onyekuru has signed but immediately gone on a season long loan, does this happen often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Weird that Onyekuru has signed but immediately gone on a season long loan, does this happen often? Work permit issues. Wouldn't be able to get one here yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Weird that Onyekuru has signed but immediately gone on a season long loan, does this happen often? Arsenal used to be a dab hand at it, signing players that had no chance of getting a work permit and loaning them out until they qualified. Some of them never even played a game for the Arse and got moved on after a few seasons. Not sure that Chelsea don't do it either. This lad had probably been in Belgium for a while and can get citezenship in a year or so if he doesn't get the required number of Nigeria appearances beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 1 July, 2017 Author Share Posted 1 July, 2017 To be fair, not signing a striker last summer did mean we fell behind. We had enough strikers, they were just crap or injured. If the 3 we already had had done something, we wouldn't have signed Gabbi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 We had enough strikers, they were just crap or injured. If the 3 we already had had done something, we wouldn't have signed Gabbi. Every man and his dog, except Les Reed, knew the three crap/injury-prone strikers were not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Why do people want to sign Ake? He's not what we need at all. I doubt he's any better than Yoshida, frankly, and at £20million he's a pretty crap signing, if you ask me. Defoe - good player but when you sign someone that age you are gambling not just on performance but on physical capability so a three year deal is potentially a millstone around their necks. Could be a great signing but probably not a gamble we need to take. Begovic - was good when he played regularly. Who knows now? Also, a bit odd seeing as Boruc won their player of the year awards last year. Would surely make more sense to sign a younger up-and-coming keeper to phase in over time? So, in summary, I think AFCB are doing well for a club their size but they shouldn't be the model for us. I want us to win matches in the here-and-now but we have been demonstrating over the last few years that signing players with future resale profit is a good model if you get it right. Of those three signings above, two will definitely not appreciate in value and one may well not. That can cause problems in the future. Couldn't agree more RE: Ake Basically a modern day equivalent of a Rory Delap signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBitterne Posted 2 July, 2017 Share Posted 2 July, 2017 I know it's only perception but they seem to move from target to target really quickly. You have to wonder how much due diligence they actually spend on their signings. For example , see their January transfer additions,I think everyone could see fonte was not the same level of player last year and if you ever watched a full hull game (I don't know why either) that he flattered to deceive. Got to be honest although we can be frustrating I'm so glad we're not run like that circus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 July, 2017 Share Posted 2 July, 2017 @Riccosrant: Michael Keane signing for @Everton tomorrow. Everything agreed. £25 million for @BurnleyOfficial with 25 per cent of it going to @ManUtd . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 July, 2017 Share Posted 2 July, 2017 (edited) @SportsPeteO: Leicester and Swansea join Watford in chase for Chelsea's Nathaniel Chalobah. #CFC #LCFC #SwanseaCity #watfordfc http://espnfc.com/soccer-transfers/story/3151668/nathaniel-chalobah-a-target-for-leicesterswansea-and-watford-sources Edited 2 July, 2017 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 July, 2017 Share Posted 2 July, 2017 Not quite sure of the criticism of Defoe. He scored double what our top goal scorer had last season. If you think he won't get bompey more goals than you must be mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints1976 Posted 2 July, 2017 Share Posted 2 July, 2017 Sky BetVerified account @SkyBet Everton sign Sandro Ramírez. Since January they are the HIGHEST spending #PremierLeague club at £92.85m. They mean business. #EFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 2 July, 2017 Share Posted 2 July, 2017 Couldn't agree more RE: Ake Basically a modern day equivalent of a Rory Delap signing I don't get the internet fapping about Ake either, it's at best, delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 2 July, 2017 Share Posted 2 July, 2017 @Riccosrant: Michael Keane signing for @Everton tomorrow. Everything agreed. £25 million for @BurnleyOfficial with 25 per cent of it going to @ManUtd . Ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 July, 2017 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2017 Every man and his dog, except Les Reed, knew the three crap/injury-prone strikers were not enough. We had Austin, Long, J Rod, Boufal, Redmond and Tadic. 6 players after 3 positions, not to mention Sims, Hesketh and a couple of other young players trying to make an impact. We had the right number of players, they were just all crap. If Long, J Rod and Boufal hadn't all been useless we'd never have signed Gabbi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 July, 2017 Share Posted 2 July, 2017 Not quite sure of the criticism of Defoe. He scored double what our top goal scorer had last season. If you think he won't get bompey more goals than you must be mental. Cant argue that he doesnt know where the goal is, but he is getting on a bit, wants a big pay check, and a long contract. Plus he is only really a goalscorer, has nothing else in his game, and we have two of them already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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