SuperSAINT Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 @stokecity: BREAKING | Josh Tymon joins the Potters from Hull City. More at http://stokecityfc.com . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 WALTERS TO BURNLEY? Stoke City have accepted a bid that could rise to £3m from Burnley for striker Jon Walters, Sky sources have revealed. He's yet to complete a medical and agree personal terms but we understand the transfer could be completed before the start of next week. Walters has made over 250 appearances for Stoke in his seven years at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 @htafcdotcom: CONFIRMED: @ScottyMalone28 completes his transfer to #htafc from @FulhamFC, signing a three year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 @htafcdotcom: CONFIRMED: @ScottyMalone28 completes his transfer to #htafc from @FulhamFC, signing a three year deal Three in quick succession. That kit on the other hand is god awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 @htafcdotcom: CONFIRMED: Steve Mounié completes his transfer from @MontpellierHSC, penning a four year contract at #htafc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 July, 2017 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2017 It can be subjective and I doubt anyone would agree on a universal criteria but in the metrics I consider I see Everton as a bigger club. Fanbase' date=' stadium, revenues, standing in game, historical success etc. They are certainly more relevant as a club right now than us, but perhaps not by much.[/quote'] Bigger and richer. They have a larger stadium and a richer owner. Other than that they've won nothing for about 25 years and have generally competed with clubs the size of Saints, West Ham etc. in the middle of the Premier League. If we're talking about league titles won over 30 years ago, yes they are bigger. As are Forest, Preston, Huddersfield and Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Everton are a bigger, richer and more successful club than Saints in every way, shape and form. There is no debate. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nowt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Three in quick succession. That kit on the other hand is god awful It certainly is. Just looked up their signings. They've made 8 already & spent nearly £40m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Everton are a bigger, richer and more successful club than Saints in every way, shape and form. There is no debate. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nowt. Richer with same income.... Ok case closed Nobody is disputing the successful bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Anyone in the Premier League other than those that get Champions League football are also-rans. Fair play to any Everton or West Ham fans that take pride in being a 'big' club. But they're not. They're competing with us. No player is going to choose them over us because they're 'bigger', it'll come down to who pays them the most money. Also when I say 'those that get Champions League football' I basically mean Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea, Tottenham, Man City, Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 They might be considered bigger now, but if a team strings success together over a period of time they become "big". Clubs that do poorly for a period of time become "small". For example people who fiddle with fish are currently "tiny". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 July, 2017 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Everton are a bigger, richer and more successful club than Saints in every way, shape and form. There is no debate. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nowt. And yet if we'd offered more money to any one of their signings, they'd have come here instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 July, 2017 Share Posted 5 July, 2017 Everton are a bigger, richer and more successful club than Saints in every way, shape and form. There is no debate. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nowt. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 And yet if we'd offered more money to any one of their signings, they'd have come here instead. Celtic are a much bigger club than us but we can take their players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 July, 2017 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Celtic are a much bigger club than us but we can take their players Which is basically the point I'm making. Players don't go to clubs because they are 'bigger.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Everton has accepted a bid if £75 million for Lukaku according to sky sports! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Everton has accepted a bid if £75 million for Lukaku according to sky sports! Stones, Lukaku and probably Barkley... I thought they weren't a "selling club"? Every club bar Real Madrid & Barcelona is a selling club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 What does "bigger" mean anyway? If it's historically more successful then yes they are, not that it makes a club in anyway more attractive to players. If it mean richer then no they are not, both clubs annual revenues are almost identical. They took out a 60m loan to fund their purchases, along with the 75m they seem to be getting for Lukaku. This notion that they are some sort of sleeping giant or that they are somehow far more than what they are is bizarre, must be some nostalgic acid trip because they are and have been an also ran for the past 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Heisenberg is gonna be in here saying that Everton can get top dollar for their players. Well their forum this morning reckoned they'd be getting £100mil for Lukaku! After his Van Dijk maths, a £75mil deal for Lukaku, subtracting agents fees, signing on fee, petrol money, lunch money, new training kit, leaves them with about 50 quid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Everton has accepted a bid if £75 million for Lukaku according to sky sports! From Utd to boot, sounds about the right amount, maybe a bit on the high side for a player that only seems to score given certain conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Supposedly Everton have rejected the £75m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Supposedly Everton have rejected the £75m. How confusing. Perhaps they've accepted to listen to bids and then refused those they've had then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 (edited) Problem is with Everton is that they have a history which predates an awful lot of posters on here. Therefore they have no point of reference for EFC. Those old enough recall a team in the late 60s/early 70s with a midfield of Ball, Kendall and Harvey and Joe Royle up front. They were different class. They even put 8 past us in 1971 at Goodison. Edited 6 July, 2017 by Winnersaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Lukaku transfer puts into focus how cheaply we let Mane go. Barely a struggle and sold right at the beginning of the window to the first bidder. At least we seem to have toughened up this summer. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Heisenberg is gonna be in here saying that Everton can get top dollar for their players. Well their forum this morning reckoned they'd be getting £100mil for Lukaku! After his Van Dijk maths, a £75mil deal for Lukaku, subtracting agents fees, signing on fee, petrol money, lunch money, new training kit, leaves them with about 50 quid! I wouldn't suggest that Everton get top dollar - Lukaku 75 Stones 50 ____________ Total 125 Mane 30 Wanyama 10 Pelle 10 Fonte 7 Clyne 12 Lallana 25 Lovren 20 Cork 3 Lambert 3 Puncheon 2 Juanmi 3 ____________ Total 125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 I wouldn't suggest that Everton get top dollar - Lukaku 75 Stones 50 ____________ Total 125 Mane 30 Wanyama 10 Pelle 10 Fonte 7 Clyne 12 Lallana 25 Lovren 20 Cork 3 Lambert 3 Puncheon 2 Juanmi 3 ____________ Total 125 Nice one, lets not take into account the massive price inflation since the new TV deal came in. Personally I agree and believe we dont get top dollar as rival clubs know that we will sell, wheras Everton always give the impression that they wont and so clubs arrive expecting to pay above top dollar. We get decent prices but not eye watering ones like Everton, Stones 50m being one of the examples, the tall lanky one who went to Man Uts with Moyes is another who was massive money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Just because some transfers are hugely over inflated, doesn't mean all should be over inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 can't believe Les didn't hold out for £50 million for Juanmi Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 @SwansOfficial: Welcome to @SwansOfficial, @RoqueM26! http://www.swanseacity.com/news/swans-sign-roque-mesa … #WelcomeRoqueMesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 @SwansOfficial: Welcome to @SwansOfficial, @RoqueM26! http://www.swanseacity.com/news/swans-sign-roque-mesa … #WelcomeRoqueMesa Never heard of him. Interesting stats, though for La Liga. Last 2 seasons only, played 69, scored 2, assists 5, yellow cards 26. That's more than Oriol who in PL, P64, goals 2, assists 0, yellows 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Never heard of him. Interesting stats, though for La Liga. Last 2 seasons only, played 69, scored 2, assists 5, yellow cards 26. That's more than Oriol who in PL, P64, goals 2, assists 0, yellows 18. A very good player by all accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 I wouldn't suggest that Everton get top dollar - Lukaku 75 Stones 50 ____________ Total 125 Mane 30 Wanyama 10 Pelle 10 Fonte 7 Clyne 12 Lallana 25 Lovren 20 Cork 3 Lambert 3 Puncheon 2 Juanmi 3 ____________ Total 125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 July, 2017 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Nice one, lets not take into account the massive price inflation since the new TV deal came in. Personally I agree and believe we dont get top dollar as rival clubs know that we will sell, wheras Everton always give the impression that they wont and so clubs arrive expecting to pay above top dollar. We get decent prices but not eye watering ones like Everton, Stones 50m being one of the examples, the tall lanky one who went to Man Uts with Moyes is another who was massive money Nonsense, we both get good prices for our players. Everton are open for business, same as any other 'selling club'. Fellaini, Rooney, Lescott, Peinaar, Arteta, Stones. They've sold the lot and RL and RB will be next to go. Stones went for £50m because he is young and English, same as Sterling and Shaw. We got £16m for our reserve RB a few years ago and £14m for a striker who's done nothing for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 I wouldn't suggest that Everton get top dollar - Lukaku 75 Stones 50 ____________ Total 125 Mane 30 Wanyama 10 Pelle 10 Fonte 7 Clyne 12 Lallana 25 Lovren 20 Cork 3 Lambert 3 Puncheon 2 Juanmi 3 ____________ Total 125 Missing out Schneiderlin's sale to suit the agenda and going with the lowest reported fees (Mane was £30m rising to £38m, Pelle was £13m, Fonte was £8m, Wanyama was £12.5m ditto Clyne, Juanmi £5m). Classic. Anyone would think you're being a Richard for being a Richard's sake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 July, 2017 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Missing out Schneiderlin's sale to suit the agenda and going with the lowest reported fees (Mane was £30m rising to £38m, Pelle was £13m, Fonte was £8m, Wanyama was £12.5m ditto Clyne, Juanmi £5m). Classic. Anyone would think you're being a Richard for being a Richard's sake... His comedy numbers aren't worth discussing TBH. He has also left out Shaw for £31m (a world record for a teenager at the time) and Chambers for £16m. We'd probably have got at least £60m for the pair adjusted for the new TV deal inflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints1976 Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Everton have spent £241m since last Summers transfer window going by these links, to say they've simply spent the Stones and Lukaku money is ridiculous, they've been the two biggest sales by some margin (when Lukaku's goes through) but they'll continue to spend going by the players they're still being linked with. Also they paid off Martinez (£10m) Us (£6) and Leicester for Walsh (£5m) to go with that, so that's £262m. Then take into account their owner wiped of an £80m debt on top of that, with no date to repay it. Then combine that with a new stadium they're going to build on their waterfront. I think these Lukaku money comments are a bit premature, especially seen as they haven't received any money for him yet. people just repeat what they've read. Also, no £60m loan has been taken out, that facility acts as an overdraft, you can use it if you want to but you don't have to. The fact that the World's biggest bank is willing to give them one is the news. http://www.skysports.com/everton-transfers http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/16-17/transfers.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 His comedy numbers aren't worth discussing TBH. He has also left out Shaw for £31m (a world record for a teenager at the time) and Chambers for £16m. We'd probably have got at least £60m for the pair adjusted for the new TV deal inflation. Quite and as someone pointed out, we just got £14m for someone who was sadly very plagued in the last 3 seasons, albeit that I hope his fortunes improve again at WBA. Chambers money was in Koeman's words at the time 'a gift' and those figures don't include the TV deal either and you are correct, I didn't see Shaw there either nor Morgan who have depreciated in value since leaving. He should get a job with Trump's campaign team with analysis that wrong and biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 With Lukaku likely to go to United, I wonder what their player recruitment strategy is? Buy as many overinflated, big name players and hope they can be merged in to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Everton have spent £241m since last Summers transfer window going by these links, to say they've simply spent the Stones and Lukaku money is ridiculous, they've been the two biggest sales by some margin (when Lukaku's goes through) but they'll continue to spend going by the players they're still being linked with. Also they paid off Martinez (£10m) Us (£6) and Leicester for Walsh (£5m) to go with that, so that's £262m. Then take into account their owner wiped of an £80m debt on top of that, with no date to repay it. Then combine that with a new stadium they're going to build on their waterfront. I think these Lukaku money comments are a bit premature, especially seen as they haven't received any money for him yet. people just repeat what they've read. Also, no £60m loan has been taken out, that facility acts as an overdraft, you can use it if you want to but you don't have to. The fact that the World's biggest bank is willing to give them one is the news. http://www.skysports.com/everton-transfers http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/16-17/transfers.php I'll believe it when I see it. Nothing has come of it yet. And where on earth did you get 241m if by your links their 16-17 buys come in at 67.6m? And you really believe they haven't factored in the Lukaku sale into their spending? This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Which other club gets their bluster and BS so easily accepted by everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 With Lukaku likely to go to United, I wonder what their player recruitment strategy is? Buy as many overinflated, big name players and hope they can be merged in to a team. You get the feeling the Manchester United brand is becoming more important than the football. It's all about sponsorship and marketing now and big names sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 We'll someone is doing very well out of man u. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40516483 Lukaku is a client of agent Mino Raiola, who also looks after Paul Pogba, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Henrikh Mkhitaryan - three players all signed by United last summer. The Belgian turned down the most lucrative contract offer in Everton's history in March and later said: "I don't want to stay at the same level. I want to improve and I know where I want to do that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 @LCFC: BREAKING: #lcfc is delighted to confirm the signing of @Iborra_Vicente from Sevilla for an undisclosed fee ➡️ http://leic.it/2ssXB3O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints1976 Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 I'll believe it when I see it. Nothing has come of it yet. And where on earth did you get 241m if by your links their 16-17 buys come in at 67.6m? And you really believe they haven't factored in the Lukaku sale into their spending? This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Which other club gets their bluster and BS so easily accepted by everyone? I got that from adding up like someone who can't add up. It's £170m, plus the payouts for Martinez, Koeman and Walsh. £191. On top of that is the clearing of the £80m debt. And whatever the ground costs. (which will be a manageable debt) Nothing has come of what? The ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnacle Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Post Lukaku sale, I wonder if Everton are now weaker or stronger than last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints1976 Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 I'll believe it when I see it. Nothing has come of it yet. And where on earth did you get 241m if by your links their 16-17 buys come in at 67.6m? This window alone is £30m Pickford, £30m Keane, £23.6 klaassen, £7m Onyekuru, Sandro £5.2. That's £95.8m by my bad maths. so I don't know where you're getting £67m from for everything. Then add the two previous windows, Morgan, Bolasie, Williams, Lookman etc = £72.6m, Morgan was £24 not £20 as stated so that's £168.4m, and whatever else is spent because let's face it, there will be more. I'm counting three windows because that's purely down to their new owner. Then the owner took all of the debt over with no repayment date and is building a new ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Why not just go here - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-everton/alletransfers/verein/29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Headline in Express....Everton leaked Man Utd interest for Romelu Lukaku to make Chelsea bid - Gabriele Marcotti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 Lukaku was heading for Chelsea until his first touch took him to Man United... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 This window alone is £30m Pickford, £30m Keane, £23.6 klaassen, £7m Onyekuru, Sandro £5.2. That's £95.8m by my bad maths. so I don't know where you're getting £67m from for everything. Then add the two previous windows, Morgan, Bolasie, Williams, Lookman etc = £72.6m, Morgan was £24 not £20 as stated so that's £168.4m, and whatever else is spent because let's face it, there will be more. I'm counting three windows because that's purely down to their new owner. Then the owner took all of the debt over with no repayment date and is building a new ground. I thought new owners couldnt come in and do this and waank loads of money in a short period of time.....thats what FFP is all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 July, 2017 Share Posted 6 July, 2017 @JPercyTelegraph: Stoke launch £12 million bid for Manchester City's Fabian Delph #scfc #mcfc http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/06/stoke-city-consider-12-million-bid-manchester-citys-fabian-delph/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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