Batman Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Right then, anyone bothering to watch any of the 'worlds best league' on the box this afty? Thinking of Swansea v Stoke myself.....must win for the swans (and have them in my accy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Huge games for all the teams at home this afternoon. I expect Hull to win today, so anything less than a win for Swansea and it is goodnight Vienna - no survival Sunday this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Swansea v Stoke is an interesting game. Stoke have been woeful recently but won their last game. Must win for Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 (edited) Only idiots do accys - talk about naive. Biggest scam in the betting industry. Edited 22 April, 2017 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Right then, anyone bothering to watch any of the 'worlds best league' on the box this afty? Thinking of Swansea v Stoke myself.....must win for the swans (and have them in my accy) Everton surely, super manager on show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Swansea have scored one goal in their last 6 matches and have gotten just 1 point. Hull on the other hand have shown improved form. I'm rooting for Swansea (not sure why), but they need to turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 and just like that Swansea doubles their output for the last 6 matches, 1-0 Swansea after 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Gaston sent off.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Could be down to 12th before Tuesday. Hull won't beat Watford and Stoke will murder Swansea. I'd rather have points than games in hand especially ones against Arsenal, Manure & the Scousers. Chelsea will murder us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Could be down to 12th before Tuesday. Hull won't beat Watford and Stoke will murder Swansea. I'd rather have points than games in hand especially ones against Arsenal, Manure & the Scousers. Chelsea will murder us. Liverpool isn't a game in hand Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Gaston sent off.... And your bro Tammy has just netted again. Prolific season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 And your bro Tammy has just netted again. Prolific season. For the womens team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Stoke miss pen, Swans score again... 2-0 Swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Hull 2-0 been playing with 10 men Marco......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Wow how bad is Stoke today? Losing to a 10 man squad that is in relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Could be down to 12th before Tuesday. Hull won't beat Watford and Stoke will murder Swansea. I'd rather have points than games in hand especially ones against Arsenal, Manure & the Scousers. Chelsea will murder us. You chat so much rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Could be down to 12th before Tuesday. Hull won't beat Watford and Stoke will murder Swansea. . .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 April, 2017 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2017 annoying. Cashed out on my accy just after Hull scored as Watford had been on top ALL GAME 2 mins later, Hull score again ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Put a fork in MID, they are going down with SUN. On the other hand, I think Burnley and CP are now in the relegation hunt for spot #3 now also (along with Swansea and Hull) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 annoying. Cashed out on my accy just after Hull scored as Watford had been on top ALL GAME 2 mins later, Hull score again ffs. You realise the bookies are taking you for a ride. A mathematical piece of advice: do singles, never do accys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Burnley aren't safe. If they do go down Heaton would be a great acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Could be down to 12th before Tuesday. Hull won't beat Watford and Stoke will murder Swansea . Post of the day. Genius Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Post of the day. Genius Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ha, I'm sure Ladbrokes thinks it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 In my opinion, CP is the one who's really in trouble here. They end with Liverpool, Spurs, Burnley, and Man City. That could be 4 losses. Then they end at home against Hull, which could be the deciding match for relegation spot #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Huge chance for that rat Mopo today. No Costa, no hazard, no cahill Come on Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Spurs keeper doing a Forster impression Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Danny Murphy blaming that on Lloris. If that's a GK error, Forster's in the league cup final definitely was. Indeed Forster's was much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 You realise the bookies are taking you for a ride. A mathematical piece of advice: do singles, never do accys. When you want a bit of interest and a low stake an acca is just fine. Fckin Ipswich[emoji3] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Dele Alli is a cnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Dele Alli is a cnt This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Lol at Koemans top 5 challengers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Danny Murphy blaming that on Lloris. If that's a GK error, Forster's in the league cup final definitely was. Indeed Forster's was much worse. Yup. For both goals. The only reason you'd never really describe them as an error is that they never have a chance to go under his dive because he never actually manages to dive that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 April, 2017 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2017 (edited) nice dive reckon the call for video assistance will be loud after this one Edited 22 April, 2017 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 (edited) When you want a bit of interest and a low stake an acca is just fine. Fckin Ipswich[emoji3] The problem with accumulators isn't the fact they're riskier -in principle you're rewarded for that risk. It's that they compound the house edge -or the theoretical profit bookies will make at your expense. Take a coin toss: the probability you'll guess correctly is 0.5. A bookie should give you even odds (£2 for £1 wagered including initial stake). In reality they'll offer odds closer to 4/5 to ensure their profit. That is £1 wagered will return only £1.80 which is a payout ratio of 90% (1.8/2). This is for a single bet - imagine you enter an accy and attempt to guess five coin tosses in a row. The basic multiplication rule that accompanies the independence of events in probability theory compounds the punters disadvantage, eroding the payout percentage. Assuming the same odds of 4/5, for a five-fold accy, the bookies will pay out only 59% (0.9*0.9*0.9*0.9*0.9) of what they'd pay out if they were giving you the underlying probability of the events happening. In other words, it's much better to bet big on a single event or find a single event with large odds and minimise the house edge. The house edge pervades everything: for instance, the probability of a football match finishing as a home win, draw or away win is always 1 or 100%; yet the odds are always set to pay out a lot less. For instance, Skybet's payout ratio for the Chelsea-Spurs prematch odds was 96%. As I say it's bad enough for singles; it's much worse for accys - don't let Chris Kamara in Lycra fool you. Edited 22 April, 2017 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 I used to work in betting industry and understand how the book is set. I know from super 6 how hard it is to predict anything. But as said when I only want to risk a couple of quid I don't want £6 back on that but go for £150 - never get it of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 And also won on euro millions the other day. At a return of roughly 60/1 for a 38000+/1 chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Spurs continue to win.............................. NOTHING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 nice dive reckon the call for video assistance will be loud after this one Nope, not even been mentioned at all:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 I used to work in betting industry and understand how the book is set. I know from super 6 how hard it is to predict anything. But as said when I only want to risk a couple of quid I don't want £6 back on that but go for £150 - never get it of course! The point isnt about the inherent difficulty of predicting multiple events - in theory you could be adequately rewarded for that additional risk. The point is that by compounding the house edge, the payout ratio of an accy comes nowhere near reflecting that difficulty. A single with odds 50/1 will always give you much better value than an accy with odds of 50/1, unless there's phenomenal mispricing going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 And also won on euro millions the other day. At a return of roughly 60/1 for a 38000+/1 chance Exactly. Imagine converting the bet into an accy -and doing it twice in a row. The payout ratio would be even more of a stitch-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Lol @ Spurs & Mopo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Lol @ Spurs & Mopo Still hasn't won anything, has he pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Still hasn't won anything, has he pal. Best manager ever though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 The problem with accumulators isn't the fact they're riskier -in principle you're rewarded for that risk. It's that they compound the house edge -or the theoretical profit bookies will make at your expense. Take a coin toss: the probability you'll guess correctly is 0.5. A bookie should give you even odds (£2 for £1 wagered including initial stake). In reality they'll offer odds closer to 4/5 to ensure their profit. That is £1 wagered will return only £1.80 which is a payout ratio of 90% (1.8/2). This is for a single bet - imagine you enter an accy and attempt to guess five coin tosses in a row. The basic multiplication rule that accompanies the independence of events in probability theory compounds the punters disadvantage, eroding the payout percentage. Assuming the same odds of 4/5, for a five-fold accy, the bookies will pay out only 59% (0.9*0.9*0.9*0.9*0.9) of what they'd pay out if they were giving you the underlying probability of the events happening. In other words, it's much better to bet big on a single event or find a single event with large odds and minimise the house edge. The house edge pervades everything: for instance, the probability of a football match finishing as a home win, draw or away win is always 1 or 100%; yet the odds are always set to pay out a lot less. For instance, Skybet's payout ratio for the Chelsea-Spurs prematch odds was 96%. As I say it's bad enough for singles; it's much worse for accys - don't let Chris Kamara in Lycra fool you. I made 167 quid from a 5er while I slept a couple of weeks ago, would have been more had I not bottled it and cashed out when bompey got one back against Chelsea! Singles is too much faffing about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.JonB Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Lol at Koemans top 5 challengers We're laughing at a club 18 points and 3 places above us? Does that not make us a bit small time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Best manager ever though Yes, he's world class according to some. I'm getting quite fond of Chelsea. Provided they don't bottle it in the league, they've done a great job this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Best manager ever though But with our amazing 2013-14 side he had just one win against the top 10... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 Glad they lost. Nicked our manager, 2 players and even copied our song. It's just another game, though - never mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 I like Spurs. And Poch. And Wanyama. I have no reason not to. I'd rather see them do well than any of the other top 7. Poch has spoken very highly of us since he left and the paragraph Wanyama wrote on his departure showed what a class bloke he is. How Morgan is more thought of (especially after his brattish tweet that time) than Big Vic baffles me. The hate our fans have for Spurs is a bit weird. I think we're they're Bournemouth. They saw two managers they wanted and offered them jobs. Same with Wanyama and Bale. That's just how football works. Good luck to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 22 April, 2017 Share Posted 22 April, 2017 After this weekend's games so far, we are still in 9th place but how much pride can we take in that. We are there today only because Watford and Stoke lost to teams that are struggling against relegation. We are only 9 points above the relegation zone ourselves. This year's Premier league has become an Elite League of 7 teams and The Rest. The 9th place is very fragile and doesn't hide the fact that we are one of The Rest and it would have only taken a couple more defeats for us to be hovering above the drop. With Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal to come, even the games in hand could be a mirage. If playing in the Europa League groups and reaching the EFL Cup Final has made anyone think this hasn't been a disappointing season that could be a serious mistake. For this club to be secure in the Premier League something needs to change for next season. One change we know of, is that without European football we won't have to use the rotation policy but will that be enough? In a way, I won't mind if we do drop to something like 13th or 14th over the next few weeks because it might take that to show the Board that action is needed in the close season for the club to raise its game for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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