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You've highlighted labours problem right there. UKIP have assorted nutters that have their wacky views exposed at election time. These people are nobodies that have no chance of getting elected but Nigel or Suzanne get asked about these nutty views time and time again. The problem labour have is the nutty views aren't some golf club bore's or some tin foil wearing loon's standing in some obscure part of the country, but the leader and his leadership team's views. There's a picture doing the rounds on social media tonight of Steptoe behind bars in a publicity stunt to raise money for the H block hunger strikers. I know it's 30 odd years old, but it's still not going to play well, and will of course be the first question asked next time a labour bod is interviewed.

 

 

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Out of interest, how many of those proposals do you agree with?

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Lord Duckhunter

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Out of interest, how many of those proposals do you agree with?

 

Having community gardens.

 

Reopening public toilets. Here in Poole that's a hot topic with loads closing. The icing on the cake was public toilets closed at a quay side location. Pickeys moved in last weekend and guess what appeared? Two portaloos for them to use. That's gone down well.

 

Riding is good for the disabled, so if half agree with some sort of support for stables.

 

Free bus passes should go for wealthy pensioners, so I half agree with that.

 

Bringing back the death penalty, yep 100% agree. Hanging or lethal dose.

 

I did notice at the end of the article it states that the lady in question didn't submit a profile, but The Post wrote it after speaking to her.That's not made particularly clear and there is the potential for her to have been made to look slightly more loony than she may be. As I said earlier there's a massive difference between somebody standing for a local council being a nutjob and the leader of the opposition being one.

 

 

 

 

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Having community gardens.

 

Reopening public toilets. Here in Poole that's a hot topic with loads closing. The icing on the cake was public toilets closed at a quay side location. Pickeys moved in last weekend and guess what appeared? Two portaloos for them to use. That's gone down well.

 

Riding is good for the disabled, so if half agree with some sort of support for stables.

 

Free bus passes should go for wealthy pensioners, so I half agree with that.

 

Bringing back the death penalty, yep 100% agree. Hanging or lethal dose.

 

I did notice at the end of the article it states that the lady in question didn't submit a profile, but The Post wrote it after speaking to her.That's not made particularly clear and there is the potential for her to have been made to look slightly more loony than she may be. As I said earlier there's a massive difference between somebody standing for a local council being a nutjob and the leader of the opposition being one.

 

 

 

 

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You know reopening public toilets will need taxpayers money? And we aren't cutting spending nearly enough.

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What's wrong with golf courses?

 

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I in no way support UKIP, but golf courses do pose a huge environmental problem through destruction of valuable ecosystems and wastage of water. They are essentially acres and acres of vast, sterile land. Not only that, they attract millions of bell-ends like Donald Trump and various footballers to play on them thinking it provides them with a higher place in society.

 

"The construction and maintenance of golf courses is harmful to fragile ecosystems the world over. Its proliferation as the international pastime of the leisure class is multiplying the problem, and its approval by governments and societies epitomises the wasteful and scurrilous approach to development that is replicated in miniature on millions of suburban lawns.

 

According to a United Nations Environment Programme report on the impact of tourism:

 

"Golf course maintenance can also deplete fresh water resources. In recent years golf tourism has increased in popularity and the number of golf courses has grown rapidly. Golf courses require an enormous amount of water every day and, as with other causes of excessive extraction of water, this can result in water scarcity. If the water comes from wells, overpumping can cause saline intrusion into groundwater. Golf resorts are more and more often situated in or near protected areas or areas where resources are limited, exacerbating their impacts.""

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/jun/14/thecaseagainstgolf

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Corbyn totally avoiding questions on defence. Every time his party are on TV lately, they seem to offer little on what they would actually do should they win.

The only meat on the bone from this is they want to give us all another bank holiday!

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I in no way support UKIP, but golf courses do pose a huge environmental problem through destruction of valuable ecosystems and wastage of water. They are essentially acres and acres of vast, sterile land. Not only that, they attract millions of bell-ends like Donald Trump and various footballers to play on them thinking it provides them with a higher place in society.

 

"The construction and maintenance of golf courses is harmful to fragile ecosystems the world over. Its proliferation as the international pastime of the leisure class is multiplying the problem, and its approval by governments and societies epitomises the wasteful and scurrilous approach to development that is replicated in miniature on millions of suburban lawns.

 

According to a United Nations Environment Programme report on the impact of tourism:

 

"Golf course maintenance can also deplete fresh water resources. In recent years golf tourism has increased in popularity and the number of golf courses has grown rapidly. Golf courses require an enormous amount of water every day and, as with other causes of excessive extraction of water, this can result in water scarcity. If the water comes from wells, overpumping can cause saline intrusion into groundwater. Golf resorts are more and more often situated in or near protected areas or areas where resources are limited, exacerbating their impacts.""

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/jun/14/thecaseagainstgolf

 

A little prejudice. Not sure Soton muni is using scarce water to keep it going. What would you like on the land? A load of box houses?

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personally i see 7 public holidays between the beginning of March and the End of May as a major pain in the backside. Especially as my Wife is in retail.

As I'm retired, every day is a Bank Holiday. It's just annoying when others have the days off too. ?

 

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A little prejudice. Not sure Soton muni is using scarce water to keep it going. What would you like on the land? A load of box houses?

 

I don't know how much water they use, but the UK, particularly in the south and south-west is on the verge of a water crisis at the moment and drought management actions such as hose-pipe bans are not beyond the realms of possibility in coming years, if not this year. Therefore, I am sure there would be more efficient uses of water than managing it.

 

I have no huge strength of feeling on what would be better, but yes, I supposs housing would serve a greater purpose to society. Alternatively, areas could be used for nature conservation whilst also retaining their purpose as leisure attractions.

In any case, I'm not suggesting getting rid of exisiting golf courses, but I certainly don't think the world needs any more new ones, particularly those which destroy the rarest and most protected areas, such as Trump's monstrosity in Scotland.

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Supposing a golf course created all its own irrigation water from treating raw sewage, and provided environmentally-managed bird and wildlife reserves and protected flora including annual removal of non-indigenous alien plant species?

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What's wrong with golf courses?

 

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Gets even more bizarre in this Scottish Daily Herald interview

 

"She says she finds gorillas attractive – they make her “hormones go crazy”, she claims."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15240329.Ukip__39_s_new_Scots_candidate_backs_guillotines__castration_and_flogging_____and_you_should_hear_her_views_on_gorillas/

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Gets even more bizarre in this Scottish Daily Herald interview

 

"Gisela Allen also has some strange views on people being vocal members of the LGBT community. She says she finds gorillas attractive – they make her “hormones go crazy”, she claims."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15240329.Ukip__39_s_new_Scots_candidate_backs_guillotines__castration_and_flogging_____and_you_should_hear_her_views_on_gorillas/

 

Firing squad or guillotine? And castration?

Didn't realise she was so fit looking too.

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I wonder why Diane Abbott is not on the tele much at present, seems she is on gardenng leave lol. Like Michael Foot every time their face popped up the votes filtered away from Labour. Same as Gove for the Tories I would suspect

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Gove was on peston on Sunday and did very well.

 

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As a Christian he answered the question that little Timmy seemed incapable of doing. Farron quite deliberately kept conflating the question of whether homosexual acts are a sin with whether being a homosexual is a sin. Give cut straight to it and said homosexual acts are not sinful. Farron also lied about his voting record in HoC over equal marriage, he did not vote for it on final reading but abstained . He also voted against the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations, which outlawed discrimination in goods and services.Peston being a pinko let him off the hook, imagine the outcry if Nigel had answered similarly.

 

 

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As a Christian he answered the question that little Timmy seemed incapable of doing. Farron quite deliberately kept conflating the question of whether homosexual acts are a sin with whether being a homosexual is a sin. Give cut straight to it and said homosexual acts are not sinful. Farron also lied about his voting record in HoC over equal marriage, he did not vote for it on final reading but abstained . He also voted against the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations, which outlawed discrimination in goods and services.Peston being a pinko let him off the hook, imagine the outcry if Nigel had answered similarly.

 

 

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99 MPs voted against that act, 83 were Tory. Only 29 Tories voted for it.

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As a Christian he answered the question that little Timmy seemed incapable of doing. Farron quite deliberately kept conflating the question of whether homosexual acts are a sin with whether being a homosexual is a sin. Give cut straight to it and said homosexual acts are not sinful. Farron also lied about his voting record in HoC over equal marriage, he did not vote for it on final reading but abstained . He also voted against the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations, which outlawed discrimination in goods and services.Peston being a pinko let him off the hook, imagine the outcry if Nigel had answered similarly.

 

 

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You must be disappointed that he has now answered so must seek your titillation elsewhere. You can still get excitable on whether Corbyn would garrotte a jihadist or whatever

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99 MPs voted against that act, 83 were Tory. Only 29 Tories voted for it.

 

What's that got to do with anything. Unless the 83 go on national TV and claim their voting record proves they aren't homophobic, whilst refusing to say homosexual acts aren't sinful , it's completely and utterly irrelevant.

 

 

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I’d rather live with Jeremy Corbyn’s gentle dithering in pursuit of a better world than give May a mandate to destroy what remains of British decency

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/25/vote-labour-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may?CMP=share_btn_tw

Any preference for who to invade us when we have no defence? Happy with Putin?

 

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Any preference for who to invade us when we have no defence? Happy with Putin?

 

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Costa Rica scrapped their armed forces years ago to invest in education and health services, which are now excellent. Its a lovely safe country.

 

And i don't recall anyone invading them.

 

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Costa Rica scrapped their armed forces years ago to invest in education and health services, which are now excellent. Its a lovely safe country.

 

And i don't recall anyone invading them.

 

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How would you pay for the benefits of the job losses from scraping the military?

 

How would Nato obligations be met?

 

 

 

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How would you pay for the benefits of the job losses from scraping the military?

 

How would Nato obligations be met?

 

 

 

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With the savings from Trident.

 

And if we can he stupid enough to leave the EU, ditching NATO should be a doddle. ??

 

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No its not. No they aren't

 

Amortised over 35 years its about £3bn pa. Personally I think its probably worth it but understand the arguments that it isnt.

I stand corrected. It seems the annual spend on trident will equal 1 weeks NHS spend.

 

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Trident is a one off cost. Benefits are perpetual.

 

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What Pony, CASD is an ongoing cost, yes it has some years that have higher costs than others, but it is still an annual cost. Most senior military people would like to get rid of it provided the savings were spent on conventional forces. Cameron changed the rules on funding to the detriment of the rest of the armed forces, essentially a con to appear to be maintaining defence spending. So while the total spent through the defence budget appears stable, the fact that circa £3 bn pa is now channelled to CASD means our conventional forces have suffered, not least the RN and the number of SSN’s and escorts, where overstretch is causing severe pain. This on top of this the support for armed forces is continually being eroded by funding cuts to DE&S.

To be clear I support CASD, in an uncertain world it is sensible to have such a capability even when it is impossible to prove it works. It is one of the key LD's, Greens and Labour policies I disagree. The Greens in particular are at best very naive when it comes to defence, at worst they are negligent. The LD’s Deterrent light is neither fish nor fowl, it does at least demonstrate they acknowledge a need. The history of Prime Ministers and CASD is interesting, all since Harold Wilson in 1964, fully understand its strategic significance and fully support it once they take up office. Writing the so called ‘letters of last resort’ focuses the mind.

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What Pony, CASD is an ongoing cost, yes it has some years that have higher costs than others, but it is still an annual cost. Most senior military people would like to get rid of it provided the savings were spent on conventional forces. Cameron changed the rules on funding to the detriment of the rest of the armed forces, essentially a con to appear to be maintaining defence spending. So while the total spent through the defence budget appears stable, the fact that circa £3 bn pa is now channelled to CASD means our conventional forces have suffered, not least the RN and the number of SSN’s and escorts, where overstretch is causing severe pain. This on top of this the support for armed forces is continually being eroded by funding cuts to DE&S.

To be clear I support CASD, in an uncertain world it is sensible to have such a capability even when it is impossible to prove it works. It is one of the key LD's, Greens and Labour policies I disagree. The Greens in particular are at best very naive when it comes to defence, at worst they are negligent. The LD’s Deterrent light is neither fish nor fowl, it does at least demonstrate they acknowledge a need. The history of Prime Ministers and CASD is interesting, all since Harold Wilson in 1964, fully understand its strategic significance and fully support it once they take up office. Writing the so called ‘letters of last resort’ focuses the mind.

Apologies, acknowledged my ignorance on this one as you were typing this out.

 

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I’d rather live with Jeremy Corbyn’s gentle dithering in pursuit of a better world than give May a mandate to destroy what remains of British decency

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/25/vote-labour-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may?CMP=share_btn_tw

The Guardian certainly has lurched to the left. I was always under the naive thought that they were middle ground but it is full of dreamers who dont seem to have a grasp of the real world. Their journos and contributers I assume have lived under the umbrella of having pension linked jobs, and without the worries of having to work and provide for themselves.

When Eutopia does appear then some of the things they call for may come true, but as was found out in the 1970's penalise the wealth creators and they leave and go elsewhere. It is even more pertinent now than then, as people are so much more likely to up and go.

Corbyn is the face of envy politics,the easy way is always point to people who are perceived to be better off and say 'I want what they have' but not work for it.

The new call is that the NHS is going to be privatised, they cant say we are only 24hours from saving the NHS like they did in the past as its bunkum.

That article mentions that there are 3m kids hungry as though it is down to the Tories but when you read it is about how during school holidays the kids eat rubbish. That is not just down to society or gavernments but bad parents who are so much more worreid about their own lives than their childrens.

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The Guardian certainly has lurched to the left. I was always under the naive thought that they were middle ground but it is full of dreamers who dont seem to have a grasp of the real world.

 

It still amazes me how people cannot know the difference between an opinion piece - someone hired to be thought provoking in a single article, and the overall editorial line of a paper.

 

What the Guardian is doing is what all papers should do, challenging its readers to think , not spoon feeding them reflections of what they already think. The Mail used to do it but has largely stopped. Yes Monbiot is clever but a bit of a left wing dreamer. So what?

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The Guardian certainly has lurched to the left. I was always under the naive thought that they were middle ground but it is full of dreamers who dont seem to have a grasp of the real world. Their journos and contributers I assume have lived under the umbrella of having pension linked jobs, and without the worries of having to work and provide for themselves.

When Eutopia does appear then some of the things they call for may come true, but as was found out in the 1970's penalise the wealth creators and they leave and go elsewhere. It is even more pertinent now than then, as people are so much more likely to up and go.

Corbyn is the face of envy politics,the easy way is always point to people who are perceived to be better off and say 'I want what they have' but not work for it.

The new call is that the NHS is going to be privatised, they cant say we are only 24hours from saving the NHS like they did in the past as its bunkum.

That article mentions that there are 3m kids hungry as though it is down to the Tories but when you read it is about how during school holidays the kids eat rubbish. That is not just down to society or gavernments but bad parents who are so much more worreid about their own lives than their childrens.

 

Spot on. That Matthew D'Ancona is a real leftie loon.

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Regarding the Guardian. Very intersting that Jimmy Wales has left their board after only a year to start 'wikitribune'

 

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So is this your schtick now? You dig a hole you can't get out of (Trident) so move a couple of feet over and start digging another one (the non-scandal of Wales' leaving the board of one media company to set up another media company)?

 

How much whack-a-mole can we be expected to play?

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