General election? June 8th?

[Nolan]

More evidence that little Nolan can't read or think for himself - his only skill, it seems, is to blindly post links from the echo chamber of right leaning websites he inhabits.

 

Of course, whether the composition of the crowd, for the most part, was as moderate as claimed by the author is another matter; but little Nolan is not disputing the factual contents of the report.

Give me evidence that the police report is real. There are no stamps or signatures or watermarks so how do we know its real?

 

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[shurlock]

Give me evidence that the police report is real. There are no stamps or signatures or watermarks so how do we know its real?

 

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Did I mention the police report? I'll let you dwell on your belief that the Sun is a centrist paper. Between that, posting links and tying your shoe laces, you seem to have enough on your plate.

[trousers]

Oh look, Seems like the Sun and the Mail have been caught out making sh*t up again...

 

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/07/exclusive-police-reports-prove-sun-may-broken-law-last-ditch-attack-jeremy-corbyn/

 

At least you can always rely on 'The Canary' for accurate unbiased coverage...

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-canary-deleted-a-false-viral-story-about-the-suns

 

The Canary has quietly deleted an article which alleged The Sun had ignored the victims of the Manchester terror attack by failing to put the incident on the front page of the newspaper – despite the fact that the paper's first edition went to print 30 minutes before the attack took place.

 

[trousers]

Think about it for a moment folks. We live in a country where the majority of people are going to vote for Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis and the rest of the despicable, disgusting Tories. It's fair to say that most British people are ignorant morons.

 

God save the Queen mush innit.

 

Excuse my idle curiosity, but how did you come up with your user name on here?

[Nolan]

Did I mention the police report? I'll let you dwell on your belief that the Sun is a centrist paper. Between that, posting links and tying your shoe laces, you seem to have enough on your plate.

Out if interest was Tony Blair left wing or Right wing?

 

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[shurlock]

Out if interest was Tony Blair left wing or Right wing?

 

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So what- the Sun backed Blair a few times out of convenience. It thought the Tories were a total shambles at the time; it thought it could push Blair in a more right wing direction etc. Doesn't meant its instinctively centrist.

 

FWIW the public seems to disagree with you, both in your assessment of the Sun and the Mail. Perhaps you're the one who struggles with bias and needs a friendly hand to unpick things.

[Bearsy]

So what- the Sun backed Blair a few times out of convenience. It thought the Tories were a total shambles at the time; it thought it could push Blair in a more right wing direction etc. Doesn't meant its instinctively centrist.

 

FWIW the public seems to disagree with you, both in your assessment of the Sun and the Mail. Perhaps you're the one who struggles with bias and needs a friendly hand to unpick things.

 

The Sun just backs whoever they think is most likely to win.

[shurlock]

The Sun just backs whoever they think is most likely to win.

 

Yep that too - their ability to push against an open door is second to none,

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[shirleysfc]

Due to British laws... It really wouldn't.

 

 

 

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Your naivety with this is hilarious.

[Window Cleaner]

The Sun just backs whoever they think is most likely to win.

 

Still their 1992 call was against the tide, in fact so much against the tide that "It was the Sun wot won it" was probably about right.

[Nolan]

Your naivety with this is hilarious.

Oh please. The left wing social bubble hate the sun we get it.

 

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[moonraker]

Oh please. The left wing social bubble hate the sun we get it.

 

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Left, Right whatever, I am not a socialist never have been, however the Tories are for me the most unpalatable of the political parties. They criticise the Unions connections to labour all the while toadying up to big business, HNWI, and the landed gentry, none of whom would ever contemplate championing the average person in the street. They feign concern for the family, the elderly, the sick, the disadvantaged, the armed forces, the police, I could go on, yet their policies and record in office are sufficient evidence for any sane jury to find them guilty beyond any reasonable doubt of political fraud and deception. One problem is many people have the same relationship with political parties as football fans have with their clubs. Witness the bindippers defence of their corrupt club over VVD, it’s the same for the many who choose a lifetime affiliation to a political party, they can never admit that perhaps, just perhaps the party is flawed. I could use exactly the same argument for Labour, but this election is about the awful prospect of the Tories led by Mayhem gaining an unassailable majority and continuing to screw the majority of our people, all in it together, strong and stable my arse.

[Sheaf Saint]

Left, Right whatever, I am not a socialist never have been, however the Tories are for me the most unpalatable of the political parties. They criticise the Unions connections to labour all the while toadying up to big business, HNWI, and the landed gentry, none of whom would ever contemplate championing the average person in the street. They feign concern for the family, the elderly, the sick, the disadvantaged, the armed forces, the police, I could go on, yet their policies and record in office are sufficient evidence for any sane jury to find them guilty beyond any reasonable doubt of political fraud and deception. One problem is many people have the same relationship with political parties as football fans have with their clubs. Witness the bindippers defence of their corrupt club over VVD, it’s the same for the many who choose a lifetime affiliation to a political party, they can never admit that perhaps, just perhaps the party is flawed. I could use exactly the same argument for Labour, but this election is about the awful prospect of the Tories led by Mayhem gaining an unassailable majority and continuing to screw the majority of our people, all in it together, strong and stable my arse.

 

My feelings exactly. They spout empty platitudes about making a fair society that works for everyone, but their actions betray their real intentions. Every policy they enact is geared towards helping out their corporate donors and transferring as much public wealth as possible upwards to the already super wealthy elite, while shafting the rest of us.

 

Since they came to power, the UK is the only country in the EU bar Greece that has seen a real-terms drop in wages, while the richest handful of families have doubled their wealth. The extreme austerity they have imposed on us isn't born out of necessity, it is purely ideologically driven. I genuinely cannot fathom how anybody who isn't already part of their super rich elite could bring themselves to vote for them. It really is like turkeys voting in favour of Christmas.

[trousers]

The Sun just backs whoever they think is most likely to win.

 

This is true. Whilst backing a Tory/Unionist/Brexit outcome in England....

 

[Saint86]

My feelings exactly. They spout empty platitudes about making a fair society that works for everyone, but their actions betray their real intentions. Every policy they enact is geared towards helping out their corporate donors and transferring as much public wealth as possible upwards to the already super wealthy elite, while shafting the rest of us.

 

Since they came to power, the UK is the only country in the EU bar Greece that has seen a real-terms drop in wages, while the richest handful of families have doubled their wealth. The extreme austerity they have imposed on us isn't born out of necessity, it is purely ideologically driven. I genuinely cannot fathom how anybody who isn't already part of their super rich elite could bring themselves to vote for them. It really is like turkeys voting in favour of Christmas.

 

Against this, Labour want to tax tax tax, and give gifts around quite literally like monopoly money. They have completley ignored the deficit and the growing debt.

 

How can people vote for a party that made the above mess and saved nothing for the dark days... and now think they bribe their way into power with more overspending...

 

But don't tell me, "its all costed"....cool, that's nice... but how about we pay off their fecking deficit for future generations first ey?

 

Labour build a massive nanny state, base it on high taxes and create something the government can't afford. The tories come in and try to balance the books and get hung drawn and quartered for it. The rest of us get stuck in the middle of this ludicrous seesaw.

 

Why on earth you'd vote for labour I'll never know? They sold this country down the swanny properly under blair. But maybe you like overcrowding in schools, increased hospital waiting times, pot holes, a celebrity obsessed PC society, gender neutral toilets in schools and a toxic iraq war legacy... Thats the beauty of democracy, we all get a vote I guess.

 

And before you replay with "tory cuts" - "chicken or the egg"?

[Lord Duckhunter]

So who do people want to have the Portillo moment tonight?

 

Mine are

 

Half Realistic ones

 

Soubry

Farron

Angus Robertson

Skinner

Clegg

Olny

Dromy

 

Unrealistic

 

Abbott

Lammy

Ken Clarke

 

 

Would like to see the fit apprentice bird win in Hull & mr fishfinger smash Farron.

 

 

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[buctootim]

Against this, Labour want to tax tax tax, and give gifts around quite literally like monopoly money. They have completley ignored the deficit and the growing debt.

 

Why not equip yourself with a few basic facts instead of swallowing whole what the Tories tell you?

http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/taq30tk04ljnvpyfos059pp0w7gnpe

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

[Colinjb]

So who do people want to have the Portillo moment tonight?

 

Mine are

 

Half Realistic ones

 

Soubry

Farron

Angus Robertson

Skinner

Clegg

Olny

Dromy

 

Unrealistic

 

Abbott

Lammy

Ken Clarke

 

 

Would like to see the fit apprentice bird win in Hull & mr fishfinger smash Farron.

 

 

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I would love nothing more then to see Diane Abbott go down for the full 'Ed Balls.'

[badgerx16]

"chicken or the egg"?

 

The financial crash was caused by a Labour Chancellor, or Thatcher and Reagan deregulating the markets ?

[Sour Mash]

My feelings exactly. They spout empty platitudes about making a fair society that works for everyone, but their actions betray their real intentions. Every policy they enact is geared towards helping out their corporate donors and transferring as much public wealth as possible upwards to the already super wealthy elite, while shafting the rest of us.

What is your definition of "public wealth"?

[teamsaint]

Why not equip yourself with a few basic facts instead of swallowing whole what the Tories tell you?

http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/taq30tk04ljnvpyfos059pp0w7gnpe

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

 

Well quite.

There isn't much truth in politics, but it really is proveable, for better or worse,that historically, Labour and Conservative governements spend approximately the same % of GDP . Under the last labour government, spending only shot up when the banking crisis hit, and in order to save the banks.Which of course was the fault of bankers, not the Unions, public sector workers, ordinary taxpayers, the unemployed, people on minimum wage,or anybody else.

[buctootim]

Well quite.

There isn't much truth in politics, but it really is proveable, for better or worse,that historically, Labour and Conservative governements spend approximately the same % of GDP . Under the last labour government, spending only shot up when the banking crisis hit, and in order to save the banks.Which of course was the fault of bankers, not the Unions, public sector workers, ordinary taxpayers, the unemployed, people on minimum wage,or anybody else.

 

Exactly. Its depressing the level of knowledge is so low amongst many voters - at a time when its never been easier to get facts as opposed to propaganda. There are real policy debates to be had about healthcare rationing, nuclear arms, house building etc yet it rarely rises above 'you spent all the money', 'yeah well you lot killed loads of babies'

[Sheaf Saint]

What is your definition of "public wealth"?

 

The national wealth, the public purse. Whatever you want to call it.

 

Prime example is the selloff of the Royal Mail. Everybody knew that it was drastically undervalued. Then within days of the sale, the share value shot up and those that were given the privilege of buying them initially - Tory party donors, of course - made hundreds of millions in profit.

[moonraker]

The Tory apologists cannot admit any fault with the nasty parties policies. The financial crash was international, maybe the Blair government could have done more to mitigate the crash but to blame them for the banking crisis has been one of the biggest political cons in modern British history. What is about 95 % of people will not pay any more tax under Labours proposals is it that the blinkered don't get, if it's just simply nor believing politicians why believe the nasties there all the same, at least with Labour there is some hope for the majority.

[shurlock]

The Tory apologists cannot admit any fault with the nasty parties policies. The financial crash was international, maybe the Blair government could have done more to mitigate the crash but to blame them for the banking crisis has been one of the biggest political cons in modern British history. What is about 95 % of people will not pay any more tax under Labours proposals is it that the blinkered don't get, if it's just simply nor believing politicians why believe the nasties there all the same, at least with Labour there is some hope for the majority.

 

Recall that before the crash Osborne and the Tories were criticising government for not going far enough in deregulating financial markets. They also promised to match Labour's spending plans when in opposition. It was an epic oversight by all of the political class, even though there's every reason to think it would have been worse under the Tories.

[hypochondriac]

Against this, Labour want to tax tax tax, and give gifts around quite literally like monopoly money. They have completley ignored the deficit and the growing debt.

 

How can people vote for a party that made the above mess and saved nothing for the dark days... and now think they bribe their way into power with more overspending...

 

But don't tell me, "its all costed"....cool, that's nice... but how about we pay off their fecking deficit for future generations first ey?

 

Labour build a massive nanny state, base it on high taxes and create something the government can't afford. The tories come in and try to balance the books and get hung drawn and quartered for it. The rest of us get stuck in the middle of this ludicrous seesaw.

 

Why on earth you'd vote for labour I'll never know? They sold this country down the swanny properly under blair. But maybe you like overcrowding in schools, increased hospital waiting times, pot holes, a celebrity obsessed PC society, gender neutral toilets in schools and a toxic iraq war legacy... Thats the beauty of democracy, we all get a vote I guess.

 

And before you replay with "tory cuts" - "chicken or the egg"?

 

Not to mention their ideology which is to destroy those at the top in service of those at the bottom- which never actually works. Both parties have terrible flaws and I don't like either but Labour would actually destroy the economy with their fantasy economics and the politics of envy.

[hypochondriac]

Why not equip yourself with a few basic facts instead of swallowing whole what the Tories tell you?

http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/taq30tk04ljnvpyfos059pp0w7gnpe

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

 

In what world is the current Labour government anywhere close to the previous ones?

[Lord Duckhunter]

What is about 95 % of people will not pay any more tax under Labours proposals is it that the blinkered don't get, if it's just simply nor believing politicians why believe the nasties there all the same, at least with Labour there is some hope for the majority.

 

What a load of pony. Lefties always claim that it's rich people & corporations that'll pay their tax increases, but it's bollards, we'll all end up paying

 

Thankfully, the country is made up of sensible folk, not dreamers like you.

 

 

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[Nolan]

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[Sheaf Saint]

Not to mention their ideology which is to destroy those at the top in service of those at the bottom- which never actually works. Both parties have terrible flaws and I don't like either but Labour would actually destroy the economy with their fantasy economics and the politics of envy.

 

Can you clarify what you mean by 'destroy those at the top'?

 

And as for the politics of envy label, it's just dismissive nonsense that serves your argument no favours. Wanting a fairer distribution of the nation's wealth has nothing to do with envy. If anything, envy is more closely associated with greed, and that is clearly more of a Conservative characteristic than Labour.

[shurlock]

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This comparison is spurious and illiterate - why are you comparing government records at very stages of the economic cycle (and not just any cycle)? And why are you comparing indicators that are time-dependent i.e. ones that have grown cumulatively and systematically over time.

 

You really are determined to be Les Mini Me, aren't you?

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[buctootim]

Lefties always claim that it's rich people & corporations that'll pay their tax increases, but it's bollards, we'll all end up paying

 

Got any stats for that? Total taxation been higher under Labour Governments than under Tory? No?

[Sour Mash]

The Tory apologists cannot admit any fault with the nasty parties policies. The financial crash was international, maybe the Blair government could have done more to mitigate the crash but to blame them for the banking crisis has been one of the biggest political cons in modern British history. What is about 95 % of people will not pay any more tax under Labours proposals is it that the blinkered don't get, if it's just simply nor believing politicians why believe the nasties there all the same, at least with Labour there is some hope for the majority.

 

You seem to have a really balanced, non-biased view on all this

[buctootim]

[aintforever]

Left, Right whatever, I am not a socialist never have been, however the Tories are for me the most unpalatable of the political parties. They criticise the Unions connections to labour all the while toadying up to big business, HNWI, and the landed gentry, none of whom would ever contemplate championing the average person in the street. They feign concern for the family, the elderly, the sick, the disadvantaged, the armed forces, the police, I could go on, yet their policies and record in office are sufficient evidence for any sane jury to find them guilty beyond any reasonable doubt of political fraud and deception. One problem is many people have the same relationship with political parties as football fans have with their clubs. Witness the bindippers defence of their corrupt club over VVD, it’s the same for the many who choose a lifetime affiliation to a political party, they can never admit that perhaps, just perhaps the party is flawed. I could use exactly the same argument for Labour, but this election is about the awful prospect of the Tories led by Mayhem gaining an unassailable majority and continuing to screw the majority of our people, all in it together, strong and stable my arse.

 

Agree with every word of this.

 

The red v blue ****** is what ****es me off the most, we have a straight choice between a bunch of ****s and a bunch of idiots, with May winning because she's not quite as bad as the other candidate. problem is we will never have change because the parties that hold the power don't want it.

[Johnny Bognor]

Got any stats for that? Total taxation been higher under Labour Governments than under Tory? No?

Well its not always a straight tax is it?

 

Take the bankers tax. Bankers wont pay it, despite what the deluded think. The cost of financial services will increase and the costs will be passed on through pension charges or other bank charges.

 

Not a direct tax as such, but we will all end up paying for it...

 

#thereisnosichthingasfreemoney

[hypochondriac]

Agree with every word of this.

 

The red v blue ****** is what ****es me off the most, we have a straight choice between a bunch of ****s and a bunch of idiots, with May winning because she's not quite as bad as the other candidate. problem is we will never have change because the parties that hold the power don't want it.

I agree with that. May will only win because she isn't quite as awful as Labour under corbyn. It's a sad indictment of the system.

[Wimborne_saint]

Alex crook says he is 100% certain on a Tory majority on twitter. Hung parliament it is then!

 

 

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[hypochondriac]

This sums it up for me.

[Jonnyboy]

The Sun just backs whoever they think is most likely to win.

 

I dont think its even slighlty paranoid to suggest that the billionaire egomaniac owner has been running a strong anti-corbyn, and before that anti-milliband campaign for years, and that the primary reason is his own sense that he might lose power, money and influence if those politicians came to power.

 

The large amount of people I meet who just recite the headlines from the Sun and Mail is scary and a tad depressing.

[Jonnyboy]

This sums it up for me.

 

What's the difference between calling someone a "cvnt" (he is by the way) and a "thick as sh1t snowflake?"

[Jonnyboy]

Agree with every word of this.

 

The red v blue ****** is what ****es me off the most, we have a straight choice between a bunch of ****s and a bunch of idiots, with May winning because she's not quite as bad as the other candidate. problem is we will never have change because the parties that hold the power don't want it.

 

Ironic, because Corbyn was the biggest chance of any meaningful change for the generation. Probably not have that choice again in a generation, unless Farage ends up leading a violent coup of some sort.

[Jonnyboy]

You seem to have a really balanced, non-biased view on all this

 

Another highly ironic comment looking at the poster.

[hypochondriac]

What's the difference between calling someone a "cvnt" (he is by the way) and a "thick as sh1t snowflake?"

Because he's calling him that because of how he is acting rather than because he voted for a political party he didn't like.

[Jonnyboy]

Because he's calling him that because of how he is acting rather than because he voted for a political party he didn't like.

 

Him? You mean her? And as if whatever she said has influenced how he was going to vote, the lying cunt.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Well its not always a straight tax is it?

 

Take the bankers tax. Bankers wont pay it, despite what the deluded think. The cost of financial services will increase and the costs will be passed on through pension charges or other bank charges.

 

Not a direct tax as such, but we will all end up paying for it...

 

#thereisnosichthingasfreemoney

 

There's all sorts of unintended consequences of higher taxes that the left don't grasp, or don't want to grasp. They're so obsessed with "equality" but you can't achieve it by making the rich poorer.

 

 

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[Jonnyboy]

There's all sorts of unintended consequences of higher taxes that the left don't grasp, or don't want to grasp. They're so obsessed with "equality" but you can't achieve it by making the rich poorer.

 

 

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Quite right, the poor should have accepted their lot working 7 day weeks in the fields, and democracy should never have been introduced. Absolute power should be returned by divine right to the Queen and her direct bloodline only.

[benjii]

People referencing The Canary under the auspices of semi-serious political debate ****ing hell.

[LGTL]

Exit poll suggesting no overall majority. Lol.

[trousers]

Called it