Batman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 did alright. wobbled on immigration, IRA and Trident as well as hoped for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Corbyn so far tonight: officially not sh it. Doing okay. The format naturally suits him, unlike the dour May. Lets see how he fares with Paxo and being interrogated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 The format naturally suits him, unlike the dour May. Lets see how he fares with Paxo and being interrogated. to be fair. he was hardly held to account for his points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 to be fair. he was hardly held to account for his points Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 paxman part started well, smiles and a few laughs, then crashed and burned towards the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I hope Paxman gives May as hard a time as Corbyn, continual interrupting and shouting. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Utterly ridiculous line of questioning from Paxman, playing into Corbyn's hands. All in all Compo did a decent job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 May is just repeating herself over and over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 paxman part started well, smiles and a few laughs, then crashed and burned towards the end Paxman should be put out to pasture. Hes been finished for years. The constant interruption is like a boxer who makes it easy for a weaker opponent to clinch and break the momentum of a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 May will lose this. But the format is anaemic - especially the distinctly outdated Paxman inquisition. And the twosome should be on stage together. Oh well, TV formats designed and imposed by politicians and their SPADs - what more could we expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 May did well enough, wobbled on a few bits but pretty unscathed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 May is just about as far away from 'strong and stable' as you can get. She's making a complete hash of the whole thing and proving she's nowhere near being a leader. Corbyn did ok, expected worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 May with Paxman. Started OK, wobbled on the parts about her wobbles then finished strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 (edited) Paxman, rude Oxbridge educated *****. More about him than either politician. Edited 29 May, 2017 by Winnersaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Same old story with Paxman, was the same with Miliband and Cameron. Tory bias. May would've imploded with a tougher line of questioning, she was bad enough as it was, no wonder she won't debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Corbyn should do the BBC debate this week. He'll do fine in it - he was in good form tonight - and it would humiliate May and the not-particularly likeable Rudd for 90 minutes prime time TV. Open goals: negotiating Brexit? She's too scared to speak to us. Social care? She's too scared to front up to you, the people. She thinks she's got it in the bag, arrogant evil Tories. Etc etc etc and so on. They'd be mad to send McDonnell in (a vote losing smarmy commie tw at) when Corbyn could actually claw a little bit more vote share out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I bought May was awful, after every question she just seemed to gurn, then just state the obvious while she thought of which sound bite to come out with. You could actually see her smile every time an answer led itself to one of her over-used statements. I can see why she didn't want to do the TV debates. Corbyn came across as much more intelligent, passionate and articulate. All irrelevant though because of the IRA, Trident and NATO things Will be toxic with the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Corbyn for me. Overall the better policies and the better politician. Needs to be stronger when being questioned though, when being shouted over...don't let yourself be bullied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Corbyn should do the BBC debate this week. He'll do fine in it - he was in good form tonight - and it would humiliate May and the not-particularly likeable Rudd for 90 minutes prime time TV. Open goals: negotiating Brexit? She's too scared to speak to us. Social care? She's too scared to front up to you, the people. She thinks she's got it in the bag, arrogant evil Tories. Etc etc etc and so on.. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Paxman, rude Oxbridge educated *****. More about him than either politician. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I bought May was awful, after every question she just seemed to gurn, then just state the obvious while she thought of which sound bite to come out with. You could actually see her smile every time an answer led itself to one of her over-used statements. I can see why she didn't want to do the TV debates. Corbyn came across as much more intelligent, passionate and articulate. All irrelevant though because of the IRA, Trident and NATO things Will be toxic with the electorate. Agreed. However, people are allowed to change their views and ideologies over time. Always find it incongruous that Michael Portillo's background, for example includes a Spanish anti-fascist exiled republican father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Strong and Stable? The Tory campaign seems to be, just vote for us and we'll sort it out on the other side; not a single policy has any actual substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Provided they get a decent majority, the better Corbyn does the better for the Tories. Imagine the mayhem Abbott,Corbyn & other assorted loons will cause if they stay on. Surely it's got to be the moderates worst nightmare, Corbyn staying on Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 The Dutch news had an item about Southampton a year after the vote for Brexit. Good to see the port doing well, too bad to see the Polish people not feeling safe and the small businesses struggling to survive. The clip gives the impression that the conservatives will win big as the majority believes they're the right ones to negotiate with the EU. Any comments on this? http://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2175591-een-jaar-na-de-brexit-er-zijn-nog-steeds-veel-polen-in-southampton.html?title=een-jaar-na-brexit-er-zijn-nog-steeds-veel-polen-in-southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Agreed. However, people are allowed to change their views and ideologies over time. Always find it incongruous that Michael Portillo's background, for example includes a Spanish anti-fascist exiled republican father. Didn't someone say David Davis was a member of the Communist Party. And Tony Blair was in the CND. So what if thirty years ago Corbyn still fancied himself as some sort of Che Guevara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Didn't someone say David Davis was a member of the Communist Party. And Tony Blair was in the CND. So what if thirty years ago Corbyn still fancied himself as some sort of Che Guevara. Corbyn's not saying he's changed his mind, he's trying to rewrite history. Claiming he's never met the IRA, claiming he was working towards the peace process. He wasn't, he wanted the IRA to win. There's quotes all over the Internet from Mo Mowlem to Neil Kinnock, The Guardian & ex IRA men condemning Corbyn. He even voted against the Anglo Irish agreement FFS, him trying to claim he played some sort of part in the eventual peace in NI is quite frankly insulting people's intelligence. As much as his supporters want it to go away, it's not going to. Maybe, just maybe, he may have got away with it had he fronted up and admitted it, and if it was just him. But with McDonnell & Abbott , 3 IRA apologists leading the party is pretty hard to sweep under the carpet. Especially when all 3 of them keep tying themselves in knots over it. I'll say one thing for Jezza, he's done a great job of convincing some mugs he's a different sort of politician, when the reality is, he's a career politician who puts getting into power above his long held principles. Exactly the same as all the rest of them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 got to laugh on twitter. So many say Corbyn won with just as many saying May won....Twitter polls and all that. who won what though? telling their version of lies better than the other person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 I'll say one thing for Jezza, he's done a great job of convincing some mugs he's a different sort of politician, when the reality is, he's a career politician who puts getting into power above his long held principles. Exactly the same as all the rest of them. LDH you and I will not agree on much, if anything, on political threads, however in this case I am in total agreement with you. Watching the programme yesterday evening left me with that overriding feeling that Corbyn, like the rest of them was essentially 'mugging the electorate off'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Corbyn's not saying he's changed his mind, he's trying to rewrite history. Claiming he's never met the IRA, claiming he was working towards the peace process. He wasn't, he wanted the IRA to win. There's quotes all over the Internet from Mo Mowlem to Neil Kinnock, The Guardian & ex IRA men condemning Corbyn. He even voted against the Anglo Irish agreement FFS, him trying to claim he played some sort of part in the eventual peace in NI is quite frankly insulting people's intelligence. As much as his supporters want it to go away, it's not going to. Maybe, just maybe, he may have got away with it had he fronted up and admitted it, and if it was just him. But with McDonnell & Abbott , 3 IRA apologists leading the party is pretty hard to sweep under the carpet. Especially when all 3 of them keep tying themselves in knots over it. I'll say one thing for Jezza, he's done a great job of convincing some mugs he's a different sort of politician, when the reality is, he's a career politician who puts getting into power above his long held principles. Exactly the same as all the rest of them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Mo Mowlam cited in proving Corbyn pro-IRA. Nice one, babes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Mo Mowlam cited in proving Corbyn pro-IRA. [emoji38] Nice one, babes. You what? Corbyn is and was pro-IRA, there's nothing to prove. It's just a fact as plain as the nose on your face. People like Mo Mowlam did what peace negotiators do - speak to people on both sides. Corbyn and gang did nothing of the sort, just chummying up to the IRA. McDonnell drooling over the bullets and bombs, hero worshipping the struggle against the evil empire. The history of the troubles and the peace deal is already written. Jeremy Corbyn isn't even a footnote. He's nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 May, 2017 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2017 (21st April 2017) I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that, contrary to all the polls, the Tories won't win an overall majority... You heard it here first (and probably last) (26th May 2017) If the recent polls are anything to go by (yes, I know... "polls"... chortle... etc), it's beginning to look like this prophecy might not have been as bonkers as it first seemed... Actually, I take back my original prediction. I now reckon there will be a hung parliament with an anti-Tory coalition being formed. (yes, I know most of the 'anti-Tory' parties have ruled out forming such a coalition but this is politicians we're talking about here...) p.s. does anyone know if this reverse psychology malarkey stands any chance of succeeding....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 You'll get 13/2 on a hung parliament at the moment. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Corbyn has done well, fair play to him, he has stepped up a bit. But imagine McDonnell or Abbott on a tv debate, that would seriously damage Labour. Would crack up if Corbs did end up at PM though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Corbyn has done we... Oh wait. https://order-order.com/2017/05/30/corbyn-self-destructs-on-womans-hour/ Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 May, 2017 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Yes, I know it's a biased Tory website.... etc etc.... but here's Corbyn doing an Abbott on the radio this morning... https://order-order.com/2017/05/30/corbyn-self-destructs-on-womans-hour/ Edit: oops, beaten to it by my fellow nasty Tory chum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 May, 2017 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Bit harsh on Corbyn and McDonnell that IMO #schticktastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Bit harsh on Corbyn and McDonnell that IMO #schticktastic Mmm, maybe we should insert a couple of posters from here then? #learningfromthemaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 May, 2017 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Mmm, maybe we should insert a couple of posters from here then? #learningfromthemaster That's a grand idea sir. You're so much better at this football forum malarkey than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Here is some interesting reading trousers... http://www.comresglobal.com/who-will-vote-and-why/?platform=hootsuite Luckily it's not written by yougov cause they're a Tory propoganda Polling company. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Yes, I know it's a biased Tory website.... etc etc.... but here's Corbyn doing an Abbott on the radio this morning... https://order-order.com/2017/05/30/corbyn-self-destructs-on-womans-hour/ Edit: oops, beaten to it by my fellow nasty Tory chum EB: How much will it cost? JC: Er, it will cost, er. It will obviously cost a lot, we accept that. The complete & utter incompetence is staggering. Every single labour policy will be met with " how much will it cost" & " how are you going to fund it" , to not have that figure to hand beggars belief. God if the Tories could get 50/60 majority & keep Corbyn as the opposition leader, all their Xmas' will have come at once. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 EB: How much will it cost? JC: Er, it will cost, er. It will obviously cost a lot, we accept that. The complete & utter incompetence is staggering. Every single labour policy will be met with " how much will it cost" & " how are you going to fund it" , to not have that figure to hand beggars belief. God if the Tories could get 50/60 majority & keep Corbyn as the opposition leader, all their Xmas' will have come at once. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Don't understand the logic, pal. Just makes it more likely that the Tories get kicked out in 2022. This election is the party's high watermark - it can only go downhill from here so it needs as large a firewall as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Very unique assessment locksy. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 You what? Corbyn is and was pro-IRA, there's nothing to prove. It's just a fact as plain as the nose on your face. People like Mo Mowlam did what peace negotiators do - speak to people on both sides. Corbyn and gang did nothing of the sort, just chummying up to the IRA. McDonnell drooling over the bullets and bombs, hero worshipping the struggle against the evil empire. The history of the troubles and the peace deal is already written. Jeremy Corbyn isn't even a footnote. He's nothing. He even voted against the Anglo Irish agreement. That's not a quote from someone or opinion, that's a fact. A fact Corbyn seems to think can be swept under the carpet. Just like Abbott voting against proscribing al-Qaeda, she claimed it was because it would have also affected dissident groups. When Marr read out the "dissident groups" listed in the legislation, I just thought " this is bonkers". Because of her laughable "well I've changed my hairstyle " comment earlier, that bit of the interview got overlooked. With Alan Johnson leading the party, it would be damn close, these clowns are just handing the election to May on a plate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Yes, I know it's a biased Tory website.... etc etc.... but here's Corbyn doing an Abbott on the radio this morning... https://order-order.com/2017/05/30/corbyn-self-destructs-on-womans-hour/ Edit: oops, beaten to it by my fellow nasty Tory chum I caught the end of that earlier. This bit disappointed me: Interviewer: - If you lose, will you resign as leader? JC: - I won't lose Interviewer: - But if you do, will you stand down as leader? JC: - I'm planning to win. Interviewer: - But what if you don't? JC: - I'm planning to win. Would it be so hard for him to say he hadn't made up his mind yet? I thought Corbyn was above 'not answering questions'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Very unique assessment locksy. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Why? May is hardly a great leader and the more the public sees of her, the less they seem to like her; the next 5 years promises to be pretty turbulent-not only as the government has to deliver on the ludicrously high expectations set by Brexit but also because the global economy remains highly vulnerable; and the Tories will have been in power for 12 years, the usual point when some form of incumbent party fatigue sets in. This is as good as it's going to get - the Tories need and should be profiting handsomely and building an electoral rainy day fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 7 years. The coalition doesn't Count. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 7 years. The coalition doesn't Count. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Of course, it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Why? May is hardly a great leader and the more the public sees of her, the less they seem to like her; the next 5 years promises to be pretty turbulent-not only as the government has to deliver on the ludicrously high expectations set by Brexit but also because the global economy remains highly vulnerable; and the Tories will have been in power for 12 years, the usual point when some form of incumbent party fatigue sets in. This is as good as it's going to get - the Tories need and should be profiting handsomely and building an electoral rainy day fund. Won't matter if Corbyn stays on as leader, he's unelectable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 7 years. The coalition doesn't Count. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Who was running the country and who was Prime Minister between 2010 - 2015 then? Dennis Skinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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