benjii Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Bit dramatic, Nev. What about pies? Will there be "No Pies" [sic]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 No surprise that the Telegraph didn't even notice that there was a TV debate last night, in which the audience gave both major leaders considerable grief for not being prepared to debate. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Theresa May's "Dementia Tax" (the socialists 'clever' name for it) is causing a bit of a stir in the Trousers household. Lady Trousers thinks its unreasonable for the state to be able to tap into the equity in our house (less £100k) to finance the (potential) cost of our care in old age. One of her observations is that someone with a similar lifestyle to us living in, say, Carlisle, could (would?) end up paying less for their elderly care than us simply because their house is likely to be worth less than ours (on a like-for-like basis), due to us living in the inflated house prices world that is the south east of England. Maybe there will be regional nuances in the final policy details that levels things out, but without knowing how the policy will work in practice, it does seems a tad "unfair" on the surface. Does Lady Trousers have a fair point? The problem is someone has to pay for it and the Tories types cry like babies at the thought of paying a bit more tax. What I don't like about it is the fact that having Dementia, or a loved one with Dementia is a nasty situation to be in already without knowing that the longer it goes on the more likely you will have to sell the family home when the inevitable happens. I know if I was ever in that horrible situation I would much rather just top myself and leave my family with a house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 What is your point? It's a democracy, surely the more people engaged in politics, the more information the electorate have the better?you dont get info, just people avoiding answering the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Theresa May's "Dementia Tax" (the socialists 'clever' name for it) is causing a bit of a stir in the Trousers household. Lady Trousers thinks its unreasonable for the state to be able to tap into the equity in our house (less £100k) to finance the (potential) cost of our care in old age. One of her observations is that someone with a similar lifestyle to us living in, say, Carlisle, could (would?) end up paying less for their elderly care than us simply because their house is likely to be worth less than ours (on a like-for-like basis), due to us living in the inflated house prices world that is the south east of England. Maybe there will be regional nuances in the final policy details that levels things out, but without knowing how the policy will work in practice, it does seems a tad "unfair" on the surface. Does Lady Trousers have a fair point?your house will have gone up more in the south. I wish to pass money onto my children and grandchildren and so would love to have the care for us but who pays for it? As I will have paid higest bands of tax for decades is it right that I get to pay more for care ???? Anyway the idea is fair although annoying, the care homes charge massive fees and they will benefit big time as they just keep upping their charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 The problem is someone has to pay for it and the Tories types cry like babies at the thought of paying a bit more tax. What I don't like about it is the fact that having Dementia, or a loved one with Dementia is a nasty situation to be in already without knowing that the longer it goes on the more likely you will have to sell the family home when the inevitable happens. I know if I was ever in that horrible situation I would much rather just top myself and leave my family with a house. I imagine a lot of people will simply sign their house over to their kids in advance. You can already do this to avoid IHT as long as you don't die within seven years. Of course, there are risks with that approach (if you fall out with your kids they can kick you out, for example - or if your kid gets divorced then their ex-spouse would usually be entitled to some of the wealth in that kid's share). The people who end up in a tricky situation will be ones who have a very rapid deterioration in health and don't have much of a support network to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 you dont get info, just people avoiding answering the question Thats info too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I imagine a lot of people will simply sign their house over to their kids in advance. You can already do this to avoid IHT as long as you don't die within seven years. Of course, there are risks with that approach (if you fall out with your kids they can kick you out, for example - or if your kid gets divorced then their ex-spouse would usually be entitled to some of the wealth in that kid's share). The people who end up in a tricky situation will be ones who have a very rapid deterioration in health and don't have much of a support network to help them. Not that watertight either http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39589083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Not that watertight either http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39589083 No, although using the services of a business provider which are specifically marketed as a way to avoid care fees is probably not the most subtle approach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Assume that's addressed at Lady Trousers? I'll ask her and let you know If you are `Lord Trousers' shouldn't she be 'Lady Skirt' ? Just asking. like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 May, 2017 Author Share Posted 19 May, 2017 If you are `Lord Trousers' shouldn't she be 'Lady Skirt' ? Just asking. like Sexist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 (edited) I would ask Lady Skirt what's she done to increase the value of her house. She's lived in it & it's gone up and up in value, certainly much more than a lady living in Carlisle's house has. You buy a house pay a mortgage for 25 years & your house has trebled or quadrupled in value, it's pure profit for doing nothing, yet there's no capital gains tax. Labour seem happy to tax the **** out of the rich, many of whom have got rich by their skills and entrepreneurial spirit, yet God forbid taking some extra from people's houses, despite the fact that the only skill involved in increasing the value is living in it. I'm with Michael Portillo on this one. People save for a rainy day, and if they get dementia, guess what , that's the rainy day. Of course I feel sorry for people with it, my fathers just be diagnosed with early stage, but it's not the states job to look after him when he can afford to pay for his own care. Maybe I'll lose my inheritance, but what did I do to earn that inheritance? Nothing, I was just born his son. I would have thought labour would have been in favour of this as I thought they didn't particularly approve of inherited wealth. They'll take it in inheritance tax but complain when the Tories take it to pay for care, weird. Equally weird is the Tories cutting inheritance tax , but taking it to pay for care. It's pretty much the same to me, so don't quite get the political argument Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited 19 May, 2017 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 (edited) I would ask Lady Skirt what's she done to increase the value of her house. She's lived in it & it's gone up and up in value, certainly much more than a lady living in Carlisle's house has. You buy a house pay a mortgage for 25 years & your house has trebled or quadrupled in value, it's pure profit for doing nothing, yet there's no capital gains tax. Labour seem happy to tax the **** out of the rich, many of whom have got rich by their skills and entrepreneurial spirit, yet God forbid taking some extra from people's houses, despite the fact that the only skill involved in increasing the value is living in it. I'm with Michael Portillo on this one. People save for a rainy day, and if they get dementia, guess what , that's the rainy day. Of course I feel sorry for people with it, my fathers just be diagnosed with early stage, but it's not the states job to look after him when he can afford to pay for his own care. Maybe I'll lose my inheritance, but what did I do to earn that inheritance? Nothing, I was just born his son. I would have thought labour would have been in favour of this as I thought they didn't particularly approve of inherited wealth. They'll take it in inheritance tax but complain when the Tories take it to pay for care, weird. Equally weird is the Tories cutting inheritance tax , but taking it to pay for care. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Agree. Spoken like a true New Liberal (i.e. Hobhouse) and a luck egalitarian. Edited 19 May, 2017 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I think Jez has lost the plot... https://order-order.com/2017/05/19/jez-not-understand-tory-social-care-policy/ Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I think Jez has lost the plot... https://order-order.com/2017/05/19/jez-not-understand-tory-social-care-policy/ Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk what times we live in when Labour are protecting the 'rich' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I think Jez has lost the plot... https://order-order.com/2017/05/19/jez-not-understand-tory-social-care-policy/ Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk This is actually quite shocking and shows complete and utter incompetence. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I think Jez has lost the plot... https://order-order.com/2017/05/19/jez-not-understand-tory-social-care-policy/ Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Some of the comments. What lovely people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Some of the comments. What lovely people. Never mind the comments. Corbyn is utterly useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Never mind the comments. Corbyn is utterly useless Repeat a lie often enough and it can become the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Repeat a lie often enough and it can become the truth. He's filmed giving a speech where he clearly doesn't understand what he's talking about. That's utterly useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 He's filmed giving a speech where he clearly doesn't understand what he's talking about. That's utterly useless. Yes and Dianne Abbott genuinely thinks that hiring 20,000 police officers will cost £300k. No really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 (edited) images hosting Edited 19 May, 2017 by Jonnyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I know this one... It's because labour were launching a huge new policy and thrust Dianne Abbott onto a round of 7 interviews. She as the Shadow Home Secretary should have had all the details when launching get own policy. She didn't. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I know this one... It's because labour were launching a huge new policy and thrust Dianne Abbott onto a round of 7 interviews. She as the Shadow Home Secretary should have had all the details when launching get own policy. She didn't. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk How come she got it right the 6 interviews before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Yes and Dianne Abbott genuinely thinks that hiring 20,000 police officers will cost £300k. No really. This isn't about not having encyclopedic knowledge of numbers, or a slip of the tongue, it's about completely mis-describing or misunderstanding what's he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 How come she got it right the 6 interviews before? she wasn't asked the numbers. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 she wasn't asked the numbers. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk No you're right, she sat down with a pencil and calculator all night and she genuinely thinks that a police officer is paid £15 a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Abbott got confused because she was tying to get the race card into the conversation, & lost her concentration. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Corbyn is beyond finished. I just wish they would get this over and done with and get some decent front benchers in, because labour are going nowhere with this clown Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 It's come out that MI5 were investigating jihadi jez due to his links with the IRA.... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 It's come out that MI5 were investigating jihadi jez due to his links with the IRA.... Sent from my SM-G920F using TapatalkLike the FBI are investigating Trump over ties to Russia. Yet, he's still president... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 (edited) also, they are all as bad as each other. Different kind of politics that jezza said he will bring to the party... although, not the actual Labour party but these people are his core support https://order-order.com/2017/05/19/labour-campaign-groups-fake-news-nhs-poster/ Edited 20 May, 2017 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 also, they are all as bad as each other. Different kind of politics that jezza said he will bring to the party... although, not the actual Labour party but these people are his core support https://order-order.com/2017/05/19/labour-campaign-groups-fake-news-nhs-poster/ Why post links to a racist kipper website? That party is finished. Never to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 Like the FBI are investigating Trump over ties to Russia. Yet, he's still president... I'm glad you said Russia because for a minute I thought you were going to suggest that trump used to have afternoon tea with Osama bin laden. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 I'm glad you said Russia because for a minute I thought you were going to suggest that trump used to have afternoon tea with Osama bin laden. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Didn't you know, Jeremy Corbyn flew one of the planes into the twin towers. And he had an affair with Gerry Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 It's come out that MI5 were investigating jihadi jez due to his links with the IRA.... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk And their investigation found out what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 And their investigation found out what? If I told you I would have to kill you. Trump cavorting with the Russians has nothing to do with a prospective PM siding up to active terrorists killing innocent people on Britain's streets... Unless the Russians were setting off bombs in US cities... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 And their investigation found out what? That in a 30-year career defined by non-achievement, Corbyn was as usual merely a grandstanding, self-aggrandising waffler, who invited senior Republicans on to the Commons terrace to polish his right-on credentials. See also: his protest at the trial of the IRA men actually found guilty of the Brighton bombing. (Seen the file.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 [video=youtube;dWk29MhTb-g] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 That in a 30-year career defined by non-achievement, Corbyn was as usual merely a grandstanding, self-aggrandising waffler, who invited senior Republicans on to the Commons terrace to polish his right-on credentials. See also: his protest at the trial of the IRA men actually found guilty of the Brighton bombing. (Seen the file.) And yet now we have peace. The IRA situation could have trundled on forever like Palestine/Israel without the work of quite a few "wafflers." By the way, which way will you be voting at GE 2017? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 Didn't you know, Jeremy Corbyn flew one of the planes into the twin towers. And he had an affair with Gerry Adams. you are obviously too young to remember the crimes Adams and co were behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 And yet now we have peace. The IRA situation could have trundled on forever like Palestine/Israel without the work of quite a few "wafflers." By the way, which way will you be voting at GE 2017? We have a peace where soldiers who were doing their job during the job are still hounded and threatened with criminal investigation yet terrorists who killed civilians and disappeared people are unprosecutable. A peace created by Blair offering too much. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 And yet now we have peace. The IRA situation could have trundled on forever like Palestine/Israel without the work of quite a few "wafflers." By the way, which way will you be voting at GE 2017? the IRA lost. They were murdering British folk. Corbyn could have backed the SDLP instead of being overtly supportive of people murdering his fellow citizens, British Royal Family and fellow members of Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 And yet now we have peace. The IRA situation could have trundled on forever like Palestine/Israel without the work of quite a few "wafflers." By the way, which way will you be voting at GE 2017? Jeremy Corbyn played no meaningful role in the Northern Ireland peace process. Throughout it all he was a meaningless irrelevant backbench MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 And yet now we have peace. The IRA situation could have trundled on forever like Palestine/Israel without the work of quite a few "wafflers." By the way, which way will you be voting at GE 2017? To think that Corbyn had anything to do with the peace process and that by talking to the IRA was somehow playing a part in it, is pure pony, a complete rewrite of history. He only talked to one side & he clearly wanted that side to win. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the people who did work hard for peace Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 We have peace in NI because we talked to them, it was the Tories who "never negotiated with terrorists". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/20/labour-manifesto-keep-planned-tory-benefit-cuts-resolution-foundation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 [video=youtube;dWk29MhTb-g] It truly is the nasty party... if a tory had said half of what these two had said, there'd be riots on the streets... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/20/labour-manifesto-keep-planned-tory-benefit-cuts-resolution-foundation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other You must approve then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 20 May, 2017 Share Posted 20 May, 2017 the IRA lost. They were murdering British folk. Corbyn could have backed the SDLP instead of being overtly supportive of people murdering his fellow citizens, British Royal Family and fellow members of Parliament. Seeing as you support the EDL, whose supporters recently murdered an MP, you and Corbyn have something in common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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