S-Clarke Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Does anyone have any facts to support him having a temper tantrum rather than being sick? Its all speculation. Cedric is a very good player and someone we need out there. As soon as the quotes came out about him being 'sick' is when the alarm bells started ringing for me. No sightings of him at all in pre-season, no OS photos or interviews. They made a big thing about Maya's return, but diddly squat about Cedric. (Reminds me of Fonte’s return after the Euros) They'll keep it hush, but I think it seems as if he's pushing for some sort of move whilst we flap around trying to work out what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 I'd be surprised if any decent club would want him, would have been quite content with us selling him and bringing in a replacement. Obviously we've left it all too late to do anything about it, so we're now in a situation with an unhappy player sitting out for weeks whilst we play LB's and CM's at right back. Unless the club have the clever idea of selling him to a European Club at some point in the next few weeks, thus leaving the club without a right back. Tbf if as Steve says we haven't received any bids for him its Cedric and his agent that left it to late rather than the club. I'm pretty sure sure the club would have happily cashed in on him if they had received a decent offer for him earlier in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Certainly back today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 A Cedric sighting..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Lol strike off a couple more from the ITK list then...nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Great news! Welcome back Cedric hopefully after Hughes's comments, he will start on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Certainly back today. You can can see clearly he has a tummy problem plus is not happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 He hasn’t been back. Have been told that club don’t know where he is. This is what I'd heard. Not saying there's been a good offer either, but heard he's not been in contact with the club Good lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Cedric is not particularly good for us IMO Trouble is, I have little faith in the club bringing in a quality replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Cedric is not particularly good for us IMO Trouble is, I have little faith in the club bringing in a quality replacement He is rarely beaten on the floor, has excellent pace and recovery skills and gets up and down the pitch, even if it's a case of quantity over quality. He's easily one of our best players, though that probably says more about the mediocrity of our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percy windham Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Good lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Cedric is not particularly good for us IMO Trouble is, I have little faith in the club bringing in a quality replacement But then you also thought that Pelle was rubbish, so perhaps not the best judge of a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Never ever claimed to be ITK, just passed on what I always said may be a rumour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 But then you also thought that Pelle was rubbish, so perhaps not the best judge of a player? I also said Puel had no future at Saints and Pellegrino was terrible very early. cant get it right all of the time. what is your opinion on Cedric...do you think he is excellent, if so...when was this..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 He is rarely beaten on the floor, has excellent pace and recovery skills and gets up and down the pitch, even if it's a case of quantity over quality. He's easily one of our best players, though that probably says more about the mediocrity of our squad. This for me. He's a very good defender. Reassuring when he's on the pitch. Improve his skills going forward and he'd be top drawer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Cedrics main flaw is obviously he is crap in the air, same was when we had Clyne (whats happened to him anyhoo?). Want to really see him improve his final ball this season. Wingbacks so vital for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 I also said Puel had no future at Saints and Pellegrino was terrible very early. cant get it right all of the time. what is your opinion on Cedric...do you think he is excellent, if so...when was this..? Do you mean when did I say that he was excellent. or when was he excellent when he played? I think he is a decent full back. Not the best we have ever had but not as poor as you seem to think he is. I'd be happy if he stays. I also thought that Pelle was a decent player. Again, not the best striker we have had but, again, not as poor as you thought he was. The club dont seem to be in a rush to sell him so I assume they rate him too. Oh, and what you actually said was that Puel would be gone by Christmas so you didnt get that right at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Do you mean when did I say that he was excellent. or when was he excellent when he played? I think he is a decent full back. Not the best we have ever had but not as poor as you seem to think he is. I'd be happy if he stays. I also thought that Pelle was a decent player. Again, not the best striker we have had but, again, not as poor as you thought he was. The club dont seem to be in a rush to sell him so I assume they rate him too. Oh, and what you actually said was that Puel would be gone by Christmas so you didnt get that right at all. 6 months out...which was a damn sight closer to the mark than what every you waffled on about regarding his tenure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 (edited) Certainly back today. "So anyway, then I claimed I had the sh1ts and I got another week off on hols, still be in the team on Sunday. Sweet as..." Edited 7 August, 2018 by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 (edited) 6 months out...which was a damn sight closer to the mark than what every you waffled on about regarding his tenure Who can forget Soggy playing the Fergie card when arguing Pellegrino should be given more time. This was at a time when even a blindman could see the writing was on the wall. In a parallel universe, somewhere, Pellegrino is leading us to a treble as we speak. Or maybe not Edited 7 August, 2018 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Who can forget Soggy playing the Fergie card when arguing Pellegrino should be given more time. This was at a time when even a blindman could see the writing was on the wall. In a parallel universe, somewhere, Pellegrino is leading us to a treble as we speak. Or maybe not I think a number of people would think it reasonable to give a new manager at least until the New Year but then we dont all play the hindsight card do we pal? Just as well for Koeman and the club that he wasnt sacked after his poor run of form (but that would be me playing the hindsight card too pal ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllSorts Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Do people not think we would have sold Cedric if a decent offer had been made then? Not if said club only wanted a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Cedric had a death in the family, this was the reason for his absence apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 He looks really miserable on the OS https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-08-07/gallery-southampton-training-new-premier-league-season-burnley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Just to make clear, I was not refering to the death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllSorts Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Just to make clear, I was not refering to the death! Pretty Sickly Grin there in the photos. Is that a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozz Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 I'm led to believe that the "official line" out of the club changed midway through last week, so basically it became fairly obvious that something was up, and that the illness line being pushed at the moment is a cover for him being a pain in the arse. Wonder if the timing of the illness line also lines up with Malcuit opting for Napoli. The “Southampton were willing to pay £18m” line from the mirror, coupled with the current sell to buy situation makes it appear that it would have been Cedric out and Malcuit in as unlikely we’d feel the need to stack so much at right back with more pressing needs elsewhere. Could there have been a situation where Cedric has kicked up (late in the day), saints have been willing to sell (consistent with Ralph’s comments earlier in the summer about not wanting to keep players against their will), but only if able to replace (Malcuit) and when replacement couldn’t be secured he has been summoned back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Let’s hope he ****s off pronto. Spends most of his time crossing to nowhere, meaning he’s always chasing back. Has anyone ever scored from one of his crosses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 I'm away at the moment but sent a text to a mate yesterday about Cedric in case there was anything on the rumour mill. The response I got today was "Couple of Italian clubs I think but he wants too much €€". Perhaps Napoli were one of those, but that's just me guessing. I'm pretty sure our failure to shift him and FF, maybe others too, have cost us our striker, who that striker is I've no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 7 August, 2018 I'm away at the moment but sent a text to a mate yesterday about Cedric in case there was anything on the rumour mill. The response I got today was "Couple of Italian clubs I think but he wants too much €€". Perhaps Napoli were one of those, but that's just me guessing. I'm pretty sure our failure to shift him and FF, maybe others too, have cost us our striker, who that striker is I've no idea. Can’t agree, as if we’d have sold Cedric, we’d still need to buy a RB which would probably cost a similar amount to what we’d bring in, squad spades and wages are the bigger problem, and not being able to get any money for Carrillo Boufal Clasie and Forster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Let’s hope he ****s off pronto. Spends most of his time crossing to nowhere, meaning he’s always chasing back. Has anyone ever scored from one of his crosses? Redmond at Everton last season. Maybe someone at Villa the season before. That's all I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Redmond at Everton last season. Maybe someone at Villa the season before. That's all I can think of. according to the PL o/s Cedric got 3 assists in the league last season no idea if they came from crosses though (for comparison Bertrand was our top assister with 4) Cedric's full league stats for playing in the PL with saints are 396 crosses and 8 assists (again no idea if all his assists came from crosses) Here is stat page on the PL O/S make off it what you will https://www.premierleague.com/players/11347/player/stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Good to see him back, obviously he was late back from summer holidays as he was trying to grow facial hair which seems to be de rigeur at Staplewood these days. Only managed a 'tache so far but it given time. Strangely no comment from Boris Johnson about full facial hair and footballers all looking like Wurzel Gummidge. I can help him there, take Austin for example he wears full facial just to spare his blushes because of the many goal scoring chances his fluffs... I'll hand over to you chaps for commentary on our other bearded wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Let’s hope he ****s off pronto. Spends most of his time crossing to nowhere, meaning he’s always chasing back. Has anyone ever scored from one of his crosses? Ah! Obviously you don't go to many Saints matches or you don't pay much attention to what is happening on the pitch, otherwise you'd have seen his wonder goal at the end of last season almost worthy of Boufal's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Ah! Obviously you don't go to many Saints matches or you don't pay much attention to what is happening on the pitch, otherwise you'd have seen his wonder goal at the end of last season almost worthy of Boufal's best. Against Wigan? He was pretty bl00dy shocking that day until the goal. And yes I was there, watching with my own eyes as he miscontrolled, gave the ball away, failed to get forward, constantly passed inside and backwards, regularly allowed the winger to cross or beat him. I don't think he is a bad player, certainly don't think we are in a position to be offloading him, but there were a few occasions last season (admittedly, mostly under Pellegrino) where he was dreadful, in particular that Wigan game, where for me he was the worst player on the pitch despite his goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Against Wigan? He was pretty bl00dy shocking that day until the goal. And yes I was there, watching with my own eyes as he miscontrolled, gave the ball away, failed to get forward, constantly passed inside and backwards, regularly allowed the winger to cross or beat him. I don't think he is a bad player, certainly don't think we are in a position to be offloading him, but there were a few occasions last season (admittedly, mostly under Pellegrino) where he was dreadful, in particular that Wigan game, where for me he was the worst player on the pitch despite his goal. He wasnt...Carillo had that honour.....did bugger all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Against Wigan? He was pretty bl00dy shocking that day until the goal. And yes I was there, watching with my own eyes as he miscontrolled, gave the ball away, failed to get forward, constantly passed inside and backwards, regularly allowed the winger to cross or beat him. I don't think he is a bad player, certainly don't think we are in a position to be offloading him, but there were a few occasions last season (admittedly, mostly under Pellegrino) where he was dreadful, in particular that Wigan game, where for me he was the worst player on the pitch despite his goal. I read somewhere on the net the other day (no idea where now though) that the season under MoPe Cedric made four errors leading to goal the season before under Puel he made no errors leading to a goal. Don't kniw how true that is but it would certainly underline how his form dropped off last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Redmond at Everton last season. Maybe someone at Villa the season before. That's all I can think of. Full list of assists: 2015/16 Newcastle (away) - cross for Pelle header Aston Villa (away) - cross for Mane header 2016/17 Leicester (home) - pull-back for Ward-Prowse goal from edge of the area Crystal Palace (home) - low cross for Ward-Prowse tap-in Chelsea (away) - cross for Bertrand header 2017/18 Arsenal (away) - cross for Long goal Arsenal (away) - low cross for Austin goal Everton (away) - cross for Redmond header That's it. Plus the one goal at Wigan last season. 97 games played in all competitions, 1 goal, 8 assists. Meanwhile, Bertrand on the other flank has 6 goals and 18 assists from 147 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 The encouraging thing for me is that he clearly improved under Hughes, even if he was dreadful for most of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Full list of assists: 2015/16 Newcastle (away) - cross for Pelle header Aston Villa (away) - cross for Mane header 2016/17 Leicester (home) - pull-back for Ward-Prowse goal from edge of the area Crystal Palace (home) - low cross for Ward-Prowse tap-in Chelsea (away) - cross for Bertrand header 2017/18 Arsenal (away) - cross for Long goal Arsenal (away) - low cross for Austin goal Everton (away) - cross for Redmond header That's it. Plus the one goal at Wigan last season. 97 games played in all competitions, 1 goal, 8 assists. Meanwhile, Bertrand on the other flank has 6 goals and 18 assists from 147 games.add to that he is short and so if a ball is put up to the back stick we are in trouble. He gets into good positions to cross but he really does waste the opportunities with bad balls. If he went I would be not at all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 add to that he is short and so if a ball is put up to the back stick we are in trouble. He gets into good positions to cross but he really does waste the opportunities with bad balls. If he went I would be not at all concerned. I'd be concerned in the short-term because we don't have another senior right-back. Sticking Targett there on the strength of a good 45 minutes against a much-changed Celta Vigo side in a pre-season friendly seems something of a gamble to me - the phrase "square pegs in round holes" springs to mind. Still a bit confused by the treatment of Jeremy Pied last season, really. Did pretty well on the handful of occasions he actually got a game, and yet we seemed to make it clear pretty quickly that we weren't going to offer him a new contract despite the fact there had been all kinds of stories linking Cedric with a move away for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Agree about Pied, thought he did well whenever he played last season and was probably unlucky to not displace Cedric. Can’t work out why we let him go, surely keeping him would have been risk free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveloyMush Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Agree about Pied, thought he did well whenever he played last season and was probably unlucky to not displace Cedric. Can’t work out why we let him go, surely keeping him would have been risk free? Pied was much better than his recent treatment deserved, he always looked committed, capable and dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 I liked Pied. I saw him play once, against Palace at home which may have been one of only two starts? He got a good assist for Long to end that crazy drought he was on, and kept Zaha silent for the whole game despite clearly being absolutely knackered due to lack of match fitness. So he got one assist in two starts (and it was for Long which surely is more like 1.5!), compared to Cedric's 3 assists in 32 games. And people genuinely don't think we could get a better right back than Cedric... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 He wasnt...Carillo had that honour.....did bugger all. Good point, though I think "worse player on the pitch" should automatically mean "worst player apart from Carrillo". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Having read through all the recent posts on here, and taking them as evidence of the truth, my conclusion is Cedric is unable to find another club because he had stomach ache (and he's too short). Other than that he'd be gone and is, therefore, automatically rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Full list of assists: 2015/16 Newcastle (away) - cross for Pelle header Aston Villa (away) - cross for Mane header 2016/17 Leicester (home) - pull-back for Ward-Prowse goal from edge of the area Crystal Palace (home) - low cross for Ward-Prowse tap-in Chelsea (away) - cross for Bertrand header 2017/18 Arsenal (away) - cross for Long goal Arsenal (away) - low cross for Austin goal Everton (away) - cross for Redmond header That's it. Plus the one goal at Wigan last season. 97 games played in all competitions, 1 goal, 8 assists. Meanwhile, Bertrand on the other flank has 6 goals and 18 assists from 147 games. That really is bloody awful, especially considering for the last 2 seasons he has been first choice RB. Cuco got a lot of stick, but he put in a lot of quality crosses. It was clear that he was much better at it than Cedric, and from the above stats that Cedric hasn't improved over the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rees Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Cedric's gf just put a pic of them in london on her instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 That really is bloody awful, especially considering for the last 2 seasons he has been first choice RB. Cuco got a lot of stick, but he put in a lot of quality crosses. It was clear that he was much better at it than Cedric, and from the above stats that Cedric hasn't improved over the last 2 years. Martina's record wasn't great either, tbf. One (ridiculous ) goal and three assists in 36 games in all competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Cedric's gf just put a pic of them in london on her instagram Interesting... because there's no reason to visit London otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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