Give it to Ron Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Jeremy Wilson tweeted yesterday that KWP was coming in on loan as cover for both Cedric and Bertrand. He didnt mention anything about him leaving so I refuse to believe this news unless he or Adam Blackmore say otherwise! Start believing Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Good financials for a player OOC in a few months. Also means proper chance to evaluate KWP, which makes it even more bizarre not to have a purchase option in his deal. What's bizarre is having two fit full backs and selling one to replace him with someone largely untested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 What's bizarre is having two fit full backs and selling one to replace him with someone largely untested. It’s the Gao Way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 While his performances have improved recently he's overall been average. You think it would help regarding summer transfer activity too. You'd assume if its done that means kwp move is too and valery return is imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Sounds like it’s pretty much a formality according to Blackmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 What's bizarre is having two fit full backs and selling one to replace him with someone largely untested. Mind blowing. Especially for such a small fee. Just shows the mentality of the club. I didn’t expect much this window, but i certainly didn’t expect to make our squad weaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 That five million in the bank isn't going to look too clever if our previously settled defence starts shipping again and we get dragged back into a relegation fight. I don't see the point in selling him now. It's peanuts when he's worth more to us as a player. From memory, wasn't Cedric's contract leaked online when he first signed for us? Said we weren't allowed to sell him to Sporting's rivals or something. I'm pretty sure there was a decent sell on clause mentioned - so we're not even getting the whole tiny fee. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 laughable from the club if this happens what is the actual point? all we are doing is further cost savings. Joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 This is why I will be annoyed if this happens! I thought Ralph wanted extra cover for both Cedric and Bertrand, not losing one! Cedric is our best right back. We want to be finishing as high as possible this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 That five million in the bank isn't going to look too clever if our previously settled defence starts shipping again and we get dragged back into a relegation fight. I don't see the point in selling him now. It's peanuts when he's worth more to us as a player. From memory, wasn't Cedric's contract leaked online when he first signed for us? Said we weren't allowed to sell him to Sporting's rivals or something. I'm pretty sure there was a decent sell on clause mentioned - so we're not even getting the whole tiny fee. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk It’s a loan, with a £5m fee... so potentially pretty cleaver from the club in that respect (not sure if ‘sell on fee’ is applicable for a loan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Should read clever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Cedric leaving probably had a lot to do with how we managed to win race for kwp over others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 #deadwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 It’s a loan, with a £5m fee... so potentially pretty cleaver from the club in that respect (not sure if ‘sell on fee’ is applicable for a loan). The £5M ‘fee’ includes us losing his wages from now till the end of the season. It isn’t a £5M loan fee Arsenal are paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 The £5M ‘fee’ includes us losing his wages from now till the end of the season. It isn’t a £5M loan fee Arsenal are paying. So even less logical to get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 The reported "£6m fee" looks more leaky every hour. Reminds me of the £20m we were getting for Tadic which ended up being £9m in reality They really do treat us fans like idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 The £5M ‘fee’ includes us losing his wages from now till the end of the season. It isn’t a £5M loan fee Arsenal are paying. We may not be paying all of kwp wages though and he's no doubt on lower wages anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 We may not be paying all of kwp wages though and he's no doubt on lower wages anyway. Possibly, we don’t know those details but this being the notoriously tough Levy we are talking about I wouldn’t rule out us picking up his full wages. They could easily be near Cedric’s level. It seems the Club are trying to dress this up as ‘we’ve just got £5M’ for a player shortly out of contract when, in reality, that’s not actually the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 #logjamofrightbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 It’s a loan, with a £5m fee... so potentially pretty cleaver from the club in that respect (not sure if ‘sell on fee’ is applicable for a loan). Of course it isn't, as he won't be an Arsenal player if it is a loan. You can't sell a player you haven't signed permanently When the loan expires I the summer Cedric is free to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 laughable from the club if this happens what is the actual point? all we are doing is further cost savings. Joke Will we be cost saving your tickets for someone who doesn’t go you don’t half moan a lot.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Will we be cost saving your tickets for someone who doesn’t go you don’t half moan a lot.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk great point, well made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 How long is Cedric injured for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 great point, well made. It’s true what time is the march you are organising in protest? All your posts are negative what are you doing? Withdraw your season ticket? Don’t go to games? The club is skint it’s being run as a business the previous lot recruitment was a shambles that will take ages to fix Gao won’t put in a penny . I’m with you where do we start marching from? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 For those who don't appreciate just how important Cedric is to our team, it's worth having a look at our results this season when he didn't play. It's almost like our team falls apart without him: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cedric-soares/leistungsdaten/spieler/112988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Arsenal are understood to be paying a minimal loan fee, below £1 million, to Southampton for Cedric https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/29/arsenal-sign-cedric-soares-loan-second-defensive-addition-january/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/29/arsenal-sign-cedric-soares-loan-second-defensive-addition-january/ Blimey. Makes the deal even more baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 The reported "£6m fee" looks more leaky every hour. Reminds me of the £20m we were getting for Tadic which ended up being £9m in reality They really do treat us fans like idiots 6m now 1m https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/29/arsenal-sign-cedric-soares-loan-second-defensive-addition-january/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/29/arsenal-sign-cedric-soares-loan-second-defensive-addition-january/Wow we must be even more skint than we thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 6m now 1m https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/29/arsenal-sign-cedric-soares-loan-second-defensive-addition-january/ The frustration, as a fan, is yet again the Club thinking we are all stupid and will fall for their ‘we got £5m for an out-of-contract’ player waffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 It will be a couple of hundred thousand tops for Soreas loan fee and the spurs loan would be half that u suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 If it is a loan that seems really strange, I cant see how that is any benefit to our club. The club must have a fee of a decent size to let him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 It will be a couple of hundred thousand tops for Soreas loan fee and the spurs loan would be half that u suspect. It is being reported as a £5m fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 It is being reported as a £5m fee No it’s not. The ‘£5m’ includes the net offset of us not paying his salary for the rest of his contract. The Telegraph (the clubs mouthpiece) are reporting the actual loan fee element as being less than £1M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 In our last six league games without Cedric, we drew 1, lost 5 and conceded 18 goals. If we do let him go, it's probably going to cost us several million pounds in lost league position prize money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 It is being reported as a £5m fee According to the telegraph its £1m, and according to some people on this forum, everything the telegraph write about us comes from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Maybe Cedric has asked for the move to happen? Until Arsenal were interested it doesn't seem like we had any intention of letting him go this window... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 If this is true it's deja vu all over again. The club did this a year ago (and got away with it). Hey, if I'm successful at Russian roulette once, why not do it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 that £35m to spend might be true, shock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 that '£35m to spend' might not be true, shock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Not sure where this £5m figure is coming from. Assuming Cedric is on £60k a week then we’d save about £1.5m in wages until end of June. Can’t imagine he’d be on much more than that. Fee of less than £1m reported in the Telegraph. All seems pretty paltry given we are back to square one in terms of fullback options. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 that £35m to spend might be true, shock that '£35m to spend' might not be true, shock A poll on that would result in one hell of a landslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Typical Saints, the team has been playing well, why risk ****ing it all up at this stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Ralph is pretty headstrong - not sure he was totally sold on Cedric, even with his good run of form. That he played so many games of late was more due to accident than design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Maybe Cedric has asked for the move to happen? Until Arsenal were interested it doesn't seem like we had any intention of letting him go this window... This. It's not too difficult to understand if you look at it from Cedric's POV. He put in 4 or 5 good years with us, was out of favour with Ralph in the past, can see the Gao set-up (i.e. little or no future investment) and understandably wants to move on. Once he has - in the correct gentlemanly way as he probably did - let the club know he does not intend to sign a new contract, then the decision is made for the club. Then it's a case of finding an outlet before the clock runs out...A loan deal with Arsenal (Spanish/Portuguse linkage with Arteta) and an option for a four year contract there is a step up for him (let's be honest) and a no brainer. For the club the decision is....keep him and try to get a player who wants out to run his heart out for us / not play injured / do an Ozil...or try to salvage something from the situation. Agree that the £5M fee nonsense is an insult to our intelligence though. Greater transparency required. There should be a supporters representative around the boardroom table for just such occasions as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 He’s been ****e let’s be honest, Ralph clearly doesn’t rate him particularly highly considering how often he’s been dropped or shifted to LB. Even Koeman dropped him for Cuco plenty of times. His crossing is the worst i’ve ever seen in a top level full back. He’s been good the last few games, let’s not let it cloud our judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 He’s been ****e let’s be honest, Ralph clearly doesn’t rate him particularly highly considering how often he’s been dropped or shifted to LB. Even Koeman dropped him for Cuco plenty of times. His crossing is the worst i’ve ever seen in a top level full back. He’s been good the last few games, let’s not let it cloud our judgement. Quite amazing then that he’s played more than two hundred games across the top leagues of Portugal, England and Italy. Has represented Portugal at every age group and won the European Championship with them. Who’d have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 All I can think is that is a dreadfully depressing signing for Arsenal. What have they become? Good luck to Cedric, at best an average and completely forgettable player with a few moments, but really nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 Quite amazing then that he’s played more than two hundred games across the top leagues of Portugal, England and Italy. Has represented Portugal at every age group and won the European Championship with them. Who’d have thought. It’s a good thing that playing a lot for his country means he’s been good for us, thank god for that! If you think he’s been good in the last 4 seasons then i think we need to send help. I’m grateful for his service, but he’s been nothing more than mediocre at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 (edited) It’s a good thing that playing a lot for his country means he’s been good for us, thank god for that! If you think he’s been good in the last 4 seasons then i think we need to send help. I’m grateful for his service, but he’s been nothing more than mediocre at best. He’s obviously pulled the wool over a hell of a lot of managers and influential football people to get where he has today. He’s lucky he didn’t come across you to block his career path. He’s got to be thankful that this Arteta fella doesn’t know squat about football too. Edited 29 January, 2020 by Greenridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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