danjosaint Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 100% agree, we should off jumped onto Begovic, got rid of Taylor and Gazza for free then sold forster for somewhere around 10m, if Mouez turns out ok buy him for minimal money (by epl standards) then that's our keepers sorted for next yr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Davis hasn't been great this season but he was one of the first names on the teamsheet for three years as we became a European team. There's a reason, even if he's not showing it now. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Davis hasn't been great this season but he was one of the first names on the teamsheet for three years as we became a European team. There's a reason, even if he's not showing it now. If that's the case, then why did Clyne, Lovren, Shaw, Aldeweireld, Lallana, Lambert, Van Dijk, Fonte, Mane, Wanyama and Schneiderlin all (at the very least) attract interest from bigger clubs whilst absolutely none of them have gone for Davis? Its almost like literally no-one in a neutral position ascribes our success to him. We really ought to tell the Cities, Liverpools and Uniteds how underrated Steven Davis is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 When is Hassen ready? Forster has cost us so many points this season. Once Dave Watson gets to work on Hassen, he'll deteriorate as badly as all of the other keepers at the club. Whatever you may think of him now, Forster used to be a very good goalkeeper, who kept an exceptional number of clean sheets. He was a massive improvement on Kelvin Davis and I remember how relieved we all were when he came back from injury and replaced Stekelenburg. Whatever Watson is doing to our goalkeepers, it's having a terrible effect on their form and confidence. We need a new goalkeeping coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 If that's the case, then why did Clyne, Lovren, Shaw, Aldeweireld, Lallana, Lambert, Van Dijk, Fonte, Mane, Wanyama and Schneiderlin all (at the very least) attract interest from bigger clubs whilst absolutely none of them have gone for Davis? Its almost like literally no-one in a neutral position ascribes our success to him. We really ought to tell the Cities, Liverpools and Uniteds how underrated Steven Davis is. Age bar Lambert. Anyway no one is saying he is a world beater and should be playing for a top 6 team, just a very decent player who is normally extremely consistent. Like most of our players though can't shoot to save his life which is why he isn't good enough for a top 6 six side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Before you all go getting over excited about Hassen wait until you see him play. I'm sure he'll be on view for the U23s at sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 I've read some utter tripe on here Davis- nice one he is the captain of his country for a reason And how do you know clubs haven't inquired about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 That's crap Verlaine; you're absolutely locked into your position of Davis as "mediocre" but there has been plenty of evidence in the past 4 seasons that he is a very good attacking midfielder. As S-Clarke points out, the Club is at a point where players like Davis need to be transitioned towards a more part time role with new talent brought in to bolster what is becoming a very average midfield. You might turn your attention to whether the Club is going to bite the bullet and look at replacements for Clasie and Ward-Prowse who are clearly part of the midfield problem. While you're at it you might be able to come up with ideas to resurrect the early promise Hojbjerg showed. And one last thing - calling Steven Davis "Davo" has got nothing to do with lack of objectivity of the player's contributions in the same way that some posters call JWP "Prowsey". A good attacking midfielder would have produced more than 9 goals in 4.5 seasons (130 starts). His assist return isn't much better with only 15 during the same period. Sigurdsson is the usual comparison, but maybe that's a bit unfair, as most people are happy to acknowledge him as the best AM outside of the top six. Perhaps better to compare Davis to someone like Robert Snodgrass, who has managed to produce 19 premier league goals and 11 assists from only 85 starts over the same period. How can you look at a comparison like that, with a player who is pretty much the epitome of lower-table/relegation candidate talent, and not agree that Davis is just average at best? This in itself is quite remarkable - usually it's flair players who excite the most passionate criticism and praise, but for some reason, telling the manifestly obvious truth about Steven Davis is Saintsweb's cardinal sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Before you all go getting over excited about Hassen wait until you see him play. I'm sure he'll be on view for the U23s at sometime soon. He won't need to excel to be a step up on Forster right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Before you all go getting over excited about Hassen wait until you see him play. I'm sure he'll be on view for the U23s at sometime soon. Does he actually attempt to save shots? If so that already makes him seem more appealing than the statue that is Forester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Does he actually attempt to save shots? If so that already makes him seem more appealing than the statue that is Forster. Wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Let's have a count of hands for the friends/relatives of the Cork, Ward-Prowse (you will have Davis to thank if James saves himself from the hype in the next few years) and Reed families that have posted here... Get over yourselves, enjoy League Two and Clement's great escape with the now rebranded Swansea Soccerball Swans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Let's have a count of hands for the friends/relatives of the Cork, Ward-Prowse (you will have Davis to thank if James saves himself from the hype in the next few years) and Reed families that have posted here... Get over yourselves, enjoy League Two and Clement's great escape with the now rebranded Swansea Soccerball Swans. I'd wager there's more chance that you have some sort of learning difficulty than any relative of a Saints central midfielder has ever posted on here with a deliberate agenda against Steven Davis. He's just not that good - no conspiracy required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalisburySaints Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Once Dave Watson gets to work on Hassen, he'll deteriorate as badly as all of the other keepers at the club. Whatever you may think of him now, Forster used to be a very good goalkeeper, who kept an exceptional number of clean sheets. He was a massive improvement on Kelvin Davis and I remember how relieved we all were when he came back from injury and replaced Stekelenburg. Whatever Watson is doing to our goalkeepers, it's having a terrible effect on their form and confidence. We need a new goalkeeping coach. Cannot see how anyone can argue with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Let's just focus on the goalkeeper issue. Fraser Foster has gone from hero to zero fast.. how can the FF we have now be the same person who was MOTM at that away game against Arsenal (seems an age ago)? Some Canadian perspective here...hockey (ice hockey) is the national sport here...my youngest son plays at a decent level...not all positions are equal - the goalkeeper is key...a hot goalkeeper can keep even a terrible team in the game wheras a poor one can make even the best team lose. One of the most important stats for goalies is number of shots saved against shots faced (they only count shots on net)...so a hot goalie will save 35 or 40 shots on target before letting a goal in. If a goalie lets say 3 goals in on 7 or 8 shots they get pulled in the game and replaced by the reserve keeper. Bigger nets, fewer shots yes yes but concept is valid. On Fosters current form, I reckon he lets in 1 in every 2 shots on target. He is TERRIBLE. Honestly, I can pick the ball out of the net as well as he does. Yesterday I blame him for the second and third goals. Second goal he is so slow to move...it's eminently saveable from 25 yards or more...he does the standard late dive and flap (like he did for the Swansea second goal the game before). Third goal he doesn't set the wall or bother attempting to move a muscle for a shot on target. If he'd stopped these it'd have been 1-1 at Swansea and 1-1 yesterday...not great results but not six losses out of seven. Point? The goalkeeper is a disproportionately important position. When they play well they lift the whole team. When they let crap goals in at terrible times they can deflate the whole team. Foster needs to be dropped now and rebuilt. We have over-relied on him being the goalkeeping answer after Davis. We cannot do worse than throwing Moussa in at the deep end. Moussa doesn't sound like the answer to me, hope I'm wrong. I think there is a deeper-rooted goalkeeping issue at the club...the fact we have no proven decent alternative knowing McCarthy is a long-term injury...and we've turned a good goalie into the worst in the PL at the moment IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 Let's just focus on the goalkeeper issue. Fraser Foster has gone from hero to zero fast.. how can the FF we have now be the same person who was MOTM at that away game against Arsenal (seems an age ago)? Some Canadian perspective here...hockey (ice hockey) is the national sport here...my youngest son plays at a decent level...not all positions are equal - the goalkeeper is key...a hot goalkeeper can keep even a terrible team in the game wheras a poor one can make even the best team lose. One of the most important stats for goalies is number of shots saved against shots faced (they only count shots on net)...so a hot goalie will save 35 or 40 shots on target before letting a goal in. If a goalie lets say 3 goals in on 7 or 8 shots they get pulled in the game and replaced by the reserve keeper. Bigger nets, fewer shots yes yes but concept is valid. On Fosters current form, I reckon he lets in 1 in every 2 shots on target. He is TERRIBLE. Honestly, I can pick the ball out of the net as well as he does. Yesterday I blame him for the second and third goals. Second goal he is so slow to move...it's eminently saveable from 25 yards or more...he does the standard late dive and flap (like he did for the Swansea second goal the game before). Third goal he doesn't set the wall or bother attempting to move a muscle for a shot on target. If he'd stopped these it'd have been 1-1 at Swansea and 1-1 yesterday...not great results but not six losses out of seven. Point? The goalkeeper is a disproportionately important position. When they play well they lift the whole team. When they let crap goals in at terrible times they can deflate the whole team. Foster needs to be dropped now and rebuilt. We have over-relied on him being the goalkeeping answer after Davis. We cannot do worse than throwing Moussa in at the deep end. Moussa doesn't sound like the answer to me, hope I'm wrong. I think there is a deeper-rooted goalkeeping issue at the club...the fact we have no proven decent alternative knowing McCarthy is a long-term injury...and we've turned a good goalie into the worst in the PL at the moment IMO. Also we signed a 3rd choice keeper who has played about 5 games since 2013. He is on the bench each week to cover Forster yet is deemed not good enough to play cup games and we slaughter the confidence of our young keeper against Arsenal! So why was Hassen not on the bench was he as bad in training as Window Cleaner suggests? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 If Foster has a problem, it is that a man of his immense build cannot get down quickly to balls on the ground near him. He is usually an excellent shot stopper otherwise. Perhaps he is being targetted with low ground shots. Davis= the criticism is laughable, although I can only watch on TV, this gives one a more analytical and probably better view than at the ground. Saints have been on TV many times this season and I and the match analysts have a very high opinion of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 5 February, 2017 Share Posted 5 February, 2017 He's generally not that great a shot stopper... his highlights reels mainly consist of him being hit by the ball cos he's so big and in the way (which, btw, is fine because he's keeping the ball out of the net). However as goalkeeper and I'll reiterate this again... it has nothing to do with confidence and everything to do with how well protected he's been in recent seasons. He really isn't very good. McCarthy is the most reliable we've got in terms of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 Forster has been really poor this season. Our system made him look better than he was under Koeman, with the protection in front of the defence we were averaging one of the lowest amounts of shots on our goal in the league. Now we play a little more open at the back he's being found out. He's just not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adkins' Bus Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 I have been ridiculed by friends for years for daring to criticise Steven Davis. I do like him as a player, he is skillful, clever, neat and tidy....BUT....he has been shown to not have enough defensive nous to play in a holding role and often holds us back if playing as the most advanced of the midfielders, due to his appalling shooting ability and play safe mentality. For years I have said play him as the third CM against the tougher teams but when trying to break down WBA/Stoke/Sunderland etc, he just doesn't give us enough in an attacking sense. However, at the moment he is still probably our second best midfielder. Although personally I would play Hojbjerg ahead of him to give us a bit more of a physical presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 I'm holding out hope Koeman and Everton are stupid enough to come in for him this summer. Anything over what we paid for him should be taken. He's a very poor keeper Sell Fraser, sign Begovic. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 I'm holding out hope Koeman and Everton are stupid enough to come in for him this summer. Anything over what we paid for him should be taken. He's a very poor keeper Why would they do that though. I doubt it was Koeman who wanted Forster in particular. Probably just wanted a supposedly decent keeper and Reed brought his England fantasies to bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 Playing devil's advocate here, and I agree with certain sentiments that Forster could do better, but only three goalkeepers have more clean sheets than him this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 I think Forster hasn't been the same since his injury. Lacks mobility, doesn't come off his line enough, poor distribution. All in all, not very good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 Constructive criticism is fair enough but I find unnecessary the constant scapegoating that goes on. I have an image of such posters; either scrawny sparrows legs or chubby little nazis who were always last to get picked for the kick abouts at school. None of our players is without shortcomings but for goodness sake have you never heard of form and confidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 Playing devil's advocate here, and I agree with certain sentiments that Forster could do better, but only three goalkeepers have more clean sheets than him this season[/quote That is simply because of the protection he had in front of him when it was VVD Fonte and ROM ......as soon as he the opposition get a shot on Target its a goal virtually , he has the worst shots on target to conceded in the league now !!!! Carrying an injury and shouldnt be in goal frankly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 Playing devil's advocate here, and I agree with certain sentiments that Forster could do better, but only three goalkeepers have more clean sheets than him this season In spite of him rather than because of him. Our clean sheet record is down to the outfield players and Puel, we concede very few chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 He's generally not that great a shot stopper... his highlights reels mainly consist of him being hit by the ball cos he's so big and in the way (which, btw, is fine because he's keeping the ball out of the net). However as goalkeeper and I'll reiterate this again... it has nothing to do with confidence and everything to do with how well protected he's been in recent seasons. He really isn't very good. McCarthy is the most reliable we've got in terms of ability. Totally agree with that first sentence. When he first came back into the team last year the biggest difference he seemed to make was organising the defence and giving them all a bit more confidence, which is why for a while I was reluctant to be too critical of him just for being a poor shot stopper. However I'm not sure if that's still the case. Further more, other 'non-shotstopper' attributes that with his size he should be good at are commanding the area and rushing out for one-on-ones, but he doesn't do either of those well either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 If Foster has a problem, it is that a man of his immense build cannot get down quickly to balls on the ground near him. He is usually an excellent shot stopper otherwise. Perhaps he is being targetted with low ground shots. Which makes the save he made at Anfield off his own mistake even more remarkable! The agility and athleticism required to pull that save off was immense, so not sure whether its attitude rather that physical agility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 If Foster has a problem, it is that a man of his immense build cannot get down quickly to balls on the ground near him. He is usually an excellent shot stopper otherwise. Perhaps he is being targetted with low ground shots. Which makes the save he made at Anfield off his own mistake even more remarkable! The agility and athleticism required to pull that save off was immense, so not sure whether its attitude rather that physical agility. It was an amazing save. The fact that it was his own immense cock up that necessitated it is of course another story Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted 6 February, 2017 Share Posted 6 February, 2017 It was an amazing save. The fact that it was his own immense cock up that necessitated it is of course another story Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yep couldn't agree more, quite why he felt the need to punch the ball as opposed to using the normal and standard goalkeeping technique suggests to me, Fraser is someone who isn't confident in his own technical capability at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 10 February, 2017 Share Posted 10 February, 2017 The Times today has Forster as our top earner on £90,000 a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 10 February, 2017 Share Posted 10 February, 2017 The Times today has Forster as our top earner on £90,000 a week Good thing for him he's not being paid by the save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 February, 2017 Share Posted 10 February, 2017 Good thing for him he's not being paid by the save. I wonder who picks his wages up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 12 February, 2017 Share Posted 12 February, 2017 https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/southampton-no-8-davis.1330062/ Sent from my Hudl 2 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 February, 2017 Share Posted 13 February, 2017 If that's the case, then why did Clyne, Lovren, Shaw, Aldeweireld, Lallana, Lambert, Van Dijk, Fonte, Mane, Wanyama and Schneiderlin all (at the very least) attract interest from bigger clubs whilst absolutely none of them have gone for Davis? Its almost like literally no-one in a neutral position ascribes our success to him. We really ought to tell the Cities, Liverpools and Uniteds how underrated Steven Davis is. Sorry, picking this up late, but I think age is the main thing. All the players who've left for big clubs, bar Lambert, had significant room for improvement. Besides, he doesn't have to be good enough for a European club to be a great player for us. He was/is perfect for our style of play, not theirs and neutral pundits have recognised that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 13 February, 2017 Share Posted 13 February, 2017 I hope Sunderland go down and we can grab Pickford - a much better shot-stopper and controls his area well. Forster is big but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 9 September, 2017 Author Share Posted 9 September, 2017 Stand by everything I said here. Forster is STILL absolute garbage and Davis is STILL bang average (as he always been). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 September, 2017 Author Share Posted 16 September, 2017 I'm a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 16 September, 2017 Share Posted 16 September, 2017 I'm a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 28 September, 2017 Share Posted 28 September, 2017 Forster's been recalled into the England squad, replacing Heaton, who is out with an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 28 September, 2017 Share Posted 28 September, 2017 Forster's been recalled into the England squad, replacing Heaton, who is out with an injury. He has played decently the last couple of games. I am hoping for a form resurgence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 29 September, 2017 Share Posted 29 September, 2017 No sooner had Southgate named his squad for next month's qualifiers with Slovenia and Lithuania on Thursday than he was admitting to selecting individuals not worthy of a place in the 26-strong party. I wonder who he was talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 September, 2017 Share Posted 29 September, 2017 England must be going through a very bad phase in goalkeeping if our big lunk can make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 29 September, 2017 Share Posted 29 September, 2017 England must be going through a very bad phase in goalkeeping if our big lunk can make it We have five 'decent' goalkeepers, one is injured and Southgate wants to take four. He gets in by virtue of being an English goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 September, 2017 Share Posted 29 September, 2017 We have five 'decent' goalkeepers, one is injured and Southgate wants to take four. He gets in by virtue of being an English goalie. Really don't get why he wants 4 keepers. Never really understood the need for 3 for 2 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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